SmokinwithWilly

I'd take Darnold 100 out of 100 for a 2nd, 4th and 6th instead of what we gave up for Bryce.

We don't though. You can't expect a defense in today's NFL to need to shut out the opponent every single game to win. You're down 7-0 and the game is over. BY is that terrible. Sand lot football doesn't work in the NFL.

And people here thought we overpaid for Darnold.

Our defense gives up one touchdown and the game is over. They have to be better than perfect to win a game.

Tepper should have been in mining instead of hedge funds because the man surr does know how to dig a deep hole to climb out of.

Already did it.

Those look like dentures. Pretty accurate since we only pretend to have a bite.

Eddie LeBaron 60 years ago. The last QB Bryce's size, Eddie was smaller at 5'7", was 60 years ago. There's been a couple thousand QBs in the NFL since then and the last one to have sustained success was 60 years ago. The odds of Bryce making it in the NFL at his size are less than 1/10th of 1%. Add in the fact Bryce didn't compete against the other 3 at the combine, showed up much heavier than his actual playing weight, his processing speed vs physical ability at the NFL level, and it was obvious to many of us the books were being cooked. Tepper bought the shyt sandwich. We the fans have to eat it.

It's not worth paying for those things even if the tickets were free.

After watching Sunday, I'd consider 1 miraculous. The simple truth is Bryce isn't ready to be an NFL starter. This really feels like Tepper trying to prove he's right vs Canales getting to do what he knows is right.

Who are we beating for the 1?

Bonus game. If you can throw a football and hit the side of the building, you get an extra dozen

If you're willing to walk into the store wearing a Bryce Young jersey...

If he's not ready in practice, he's not ready for game day and it shows. It's so damn obvious he's in over his head and is not ready for this stage yet, if ever. This team needs to be about winning, not about proving that he's is an NFL QB. PLAY. TO. WIN.

If they gave away donuts every week as we chase the elusive 0-17 record....

It does and they will only step in if there's no real money coming from Carolina. Tepper is headed that direction fast, but he's not there yet. People are still paying to watch this poo.

Bryce was never ready to be a starter. He needed to sit and that's ok, but they threw him in day 1 and this is what we've got.

This is our only hope. If the Panthers aren't generating enough revenue in merchandising, ticket sales, TV time, etc, it affects every owners bottom line. If he can suck bad enough, maybe, just maybe, they force him out. They're not going to want to share hundreds of millions of dollars with a guy that's bringing very little to the table.

I think where he may make a difference is with our receivers and TEs. We have Mingo and XL, DJ and Sanders. We need to see if we should pursue DJ in the offseason, and what we have in our other 3. BY isn't giving us that. If he wasn't a 1st he wouldn't be starting. Right now he and Plummer are the same caliber QB. So treat him like any other player, forget draft position, and put the team in the best position to succeed. If you aren't willing to do that, you might as well get prepared to be the worst team in the NFL until Tepper is gone from ownership.

We have to get the stink of losing out of this franchise. If you want players to come here without paying ridiculous $$$, you have to have a good environment. This franchise and it's fanbase are toxic right now. Fans are right more than our GMs by a mile. NFL players aren't stupid. If we see it, you damn sure know they do. Bryce needs to be benched for the good of this team, winning be damned. If he wasn't a 1 overall he'd be cut. AR was my pick, but only with the right coach, one not named Frank. Today, watching him launch a missile off balance was a thing of beauty.

The last time a QB BY size or smaller had sustained success in the NFL was 60 years ago. 60 years. Some things are obvious. While finding a franchise QB with the number one pick is hard enough, hobbling yourself from the beginning by needing to overcome virtually every physical metric is a recipe for failure.

Not really disagreeing with that, but I can't help but think he's the only one who was willing to work for Tepper. I think it was a serious lack of options.

He stole whatever Ian Thomas has on them and used it to get picked 1st.

I've been a Panthers fan since day 1 and I don't have to cheer for this shitshow in order to be a legit fan. I can enjoy other teams being run well and enjoy watching good football and not feel guilty. Tepper does not know how to run an NFL franchise. This franchise is being run into the ground. Tepper is the problem with the Panthers organization and until that is somehow resolved, I have no hope this ship ever rights itself. So until such time as Tepper is out of operations at Panthers HQ, I'll enjoy watching other teams succeed. When Dave is gone, I'll be back.