SmokinwithWilly

People like me are upset because at the time, it was an offer for a caliber of player that he wasn't, the FO was still refusing to admit we needed to rebuild, which we did, and we gave up all leverage in negotiating by refusing said offer of that caliber. And that doesnt even bring into play how much better of a position we could have been in using those Rams 1sts instead of our future 1st overall and DJ Moore. It was classic Fittershits.

I remember when I drank a lot. Sort of. Last Sunday. And probably tomorrow And next Sunday.

1996-97. Green Bay and Carolina in Lambeau for the NFC championship. Young franchise just whooped the snot out of an arrogant Neon Deion and even though we lost, that was a magical finish.

Someone must have spike Penix's pregame meal with that stuff you get before a colonoscopy. Only way he could poo the game that bad.

You do, but chemistry only takes you so far. Jake led his team on the biggest stage and was one bad kickoff and some taped practices away from a Lombardi. Leadership is great, but there has to be a measure of success too.

Jake wasn't even the "hold my beer I got this" guy. He always struck me as the guy that drained his whiskey glass and said "Hey yall, watch this."

Aren't you optimistic with only a 5th year option move. My prediction a month ago was 5 year, 220m with 160m guaranteed after a nice dinner with the Teppers. I'd expect 125 of that to be signing bonus locking him in for sure for the next 3 years.

2 opportunities. 2 GWD. Clutch.

He's played 3 games in his career. It's a little early to crown him a bust quite yet.

I remember when this board was making fun of Dan Campbell because of how he acted during his introductory press conference, similar to this.

Even with a multi game performance you still have to do it. Losing your QB for a 4 game injury could be the end of your playoff aspirations without at least some semblance of a decent backup. If you're trying to compete for any kind of title, you have to bring in someone.

That's where I see it too unless the last 8 games are miraculous and he leads a deep playoff run on his shoulders. And I still want a serious backup regardless.

I think the point is still valid.

Gotta sign Icky too. Top LT salaries in the NFL right now at about 28m AAV so you figure he's going to want to be somewhere in that range, plus we just put a 2 year on Moton at 22AAV, Hunt's cap hit of 24M (dead cap of 26m if we cut him), and Lewis at 16.75m (7.5m dead cap if we cut him). That's a lot of beef in front of Bryce or whoever is at QB. I don't see how we do a big extension and keep Icky. I don't see Bryce's agent letting him play the last year of his rookie contract with no extension or 5th year guarantee.

Heisman trophy winner Chris Weinke ranked lower than Jimmy Pickles. I'd be making a phone call or two if I was on the committee that issued that trophy.

Shock factor. My 15 minutes is better than yours

To get the production we've gotten from Young has cost us 4 1st round draft picks 2 2nd round draft picks 2 4th round draft picks 2 huge guard contracts 1 Taylor Moton extension A top 10 at the time RB contract And DJ Moore I realize draft picks don't pan out and he isn't responsible for the picks that were made except possibly XL bevause of his dad, injuries happen, and nothing is guaranteed but that is a poo ton of capital to surround a QB with to have 1400 yard, 11 touchdowns, 6 ints and 5 fumbles and a 45.1 QBR after 8 games AND this is a contract year because we have to decide his 5th year option. And as mentioned earlier, we have a running back blowing the doors off in 3 of those wins with over 500 yards of offense in 2 of them. It's not a matter of not liking Bryce. He seems to be a good dude. His pre draft potential was always listed highest floor, lowest ceiling. So far it's been basement apartment in Venice, and treading water in the staircase. For what's been spent to give him every opportunity, this has been bottom tier performance by virtually every NFL statistical ranking. My issue now is the same as it's been. You can't extend him or give the 5th year based on what he's done and that's just a huge fugging disappointment.

We had a solution. We repeated it over and over again and were called haters while the re-signing of Dalton was praised as one of the greatest offseason moves Morgan could have made. And exactly what we said would happen did happen and Dalton poo the bed, Bryce hasn't proved he can play a full season of starter, much less franchise QB level football during a contract extension year. He's the QB of record for our last 4 wins, but those last 4 wins are attainable with just about any JAG QB and are what we should expect from any starting qb. There's an answer, but now we have bigger issues to deal with because a huge amount of cap space is involved and that has to be navigated as well.

No matter what, Dalton has to go.

That's why I've been pretty adamant that my issue isn't with Bryce and his performance as much as it's been with the FO and the way the whole QB room has been handled. From the Frank hire, to DC and DM being hired and required to have BY as QB1, Dalton's 2nd contract after an abysmal performance last year, no attempt to upgrade even the 3rd qb spot. None of it makes any sense unless Tepper is heavily involved in the BY situation from roster to contract. And Tepper has already shown he does not have the best of instincts where QB performance and contracts are involved.

What really scares me is staring down the barrel of a 5 year 200 - 220m contract extension at the end of this season based on what we've seen so far in 2 1/2 seasons worth of play. I still haven't seen Bryce winning games the way Cam or Jake used to do. Is he the QB when we win some games. Yeah. But if I look at those games, I don't ever say that guy right there is the reason we're winning football games. Not the way it was with Cam or Jake. I'm not saying he isnt going to be more than what is right now, and if it was year 1 or 2, i probably wouldnt care. But with 8 games left and that contract extension/5th year looming, who knows what's going to happen. Tepper is the ultimate wildcard in all of this and he doesn't scare me, he terrifies me.

Would explain why he kept tripping over himself.

You can absolutely win that way. The caveat being, where do you invest your resources? Do you spend heavily on an offensive line and skill positions and less on a game manager QB, or spend heavily on a QB, less on a line and skill positions and rely more on the QB? You can't really do both with the cap unless you get a QB on a rookie cap that's MVP like. We just need to pick a direction. Right now we have 2 elite tackle contracts including Icky, 2 elite guards, a top 15 RB contract and a possible top 5 QB contract on the horizon if Tepper decides to go that route. There's only so much cap space to go around. Something is going to have to give.

Oline love run blocking. Icky particularly thrives at it. Like seeing that.