SmokinwithWilly

I doubt it's his last. There are plenty of teams looking for LTs and he's shown he can do the job. Linemen can play well into their 30's. Barring injury, I'd suspect this next one is his big 4 year contract and would be followed by a reserve role one after.

I never said he picked Bryce. Bryce was Tepper's pick. He never fit any part of Frank's offense. This offseason, nothing was done to bring in competition for a QB that put up Josh Rosen numbers. That's definitely a reason to bring in someone else to compete. I don't expect miracles, but I do expect to at least address the biggest elephant in the room. Bryce was handed the starting job based on draft position, not performance. Any other QB with that plays like that is competing for a roster spot or to be on the PS. What's the point of playing the game if you're not trying to win? We might as well have just forfeited every game this season if that's the attitude.

We don't rebuild, we retool. I know some people are sold on Morgan but I'm not one of them. There's no way as a former MLB he looked at BY and said that's the future franchise QB of the Carolina Panthers based on last year's film and there's no need to bring in anyone else. Or he just rubber stamped Tepper's decision to bring in no one else, and Dave is making the calls like Jerry Jones. Either way doesn't bode well for fans of this franchise. All I'm saying is you have to evaluate all options, even if they're fugly.

Then what are the options? Rolling with Bryce who hasn't produced a 60 minute football game in his career? Re-signing Dalton to be your 17 game starter at 38 years old? Fields. Flacco. Darnold. Winston. Wilson. Brisset. Mac Jones. Lance. Trading for another team's backup. Rookie QB Serious question man. Daniel Jones is a god awful option but from what I'm looking at, they're all poo sandwiches.

I'm banking on none of those things. I'm looking at the 2 QBs we have, their performance this year, the FA QB pool, the likelihood of any drafted QB reaching starting readiness by week 1, and asking myself is it possible that Jones could be an improvement over what we currently have at either backup or starter? IMO the answer is sadly yes. Whatever options are better than Jones, you have to seriously look at those as well. The goal should always be roster improvement without hindering the ability to build in the future. If Jones takes us from an F to a D minus, and that's the best we can do, we should do it. Is it what anyone really wants? No. But sadly, the Panthers under Tepper has been a poo show and we're in QB limbo due to massive FO failure yet again.

He's made some plays but he's also missed throws when it mattered. An interception and timely fumble got the win vs the Giants. The true test of whether or not he's progressing is going to come against playoff caliber teams. Next season? It's unpopular, but I'd bring in several QBs, one through the draft if we like him. I'd bring in Jones (for the right price) or Hooker if we could get him to compete with Bryce and Dalton for the starting and backup position and cut whoever doesn't get it done. Draft position be damned at this point. Put the best QB on the field and take out the trash.

I get what you're saying and agree, going into next season with BY and DD is a disaster. But the bigger disaster would be in the FO. All I'm looking at is could he potentially improve the team. Potentially, yes. How big would that improvement be? Hard to say. We've seen it happen a few times in recent years with Stafford, Goff, Geno, Darnold, Baker so while improbable, it's not impossible. If he doesn't do anything of note, cut him, no harm done. But if we go into next season without addressing the elephant in the room and don't try to seriously improve the QB position, none of it matters. Like I said earlier, my biggest concern is the FO being content to go into next season with Bryce and Dalton, even if things continue as they have been. We can't be satisfied with what we're seeing from either of these guys. All that said, I don't think Jones is coming here on Dalton's salary.

Dalton is too close to starting right now. If it hadn't been for a car accident, he still would be. Switching Dalton for Jones does nothing except reduce the backup's age by a decade. One is in his NFL prime, the other is almost in his NFL grave. Not a horrible move if you're trying to improve the team. We've got to get better as a team and a lateral move like that would improve the team. The problem isn't that he's close to starting. The problem is we have a GM that signed off on BY and didn't bring in any serious QB competition for camp, a HC that said yeah, he's my guy until BY poo the bed so bad he couldn't start him, and an offense that's limited because BY can't make all the throws a normal NFL QB can. The problem isn't that Jones could be an improvement as a backup QB. The problem is he could be better than our "franchise" QB.

Here's the problem with using stats only. Without the proper context, they're worthless. Example. Bryce throws for 3000 yards and 40 touchdowns. Amazing right until you view the context. Those numbers are generated by 40 75 yard screen passes that go for TDs. Now Bryce threw for 40 air yards on all those plays combined. Was it the receiver or Bryce who was responsible for all those stats? Obviously, this is a completely impossible scenario, but it is exaggerated to illustrate the issue with judging statistics alone. The eye test is a far better qualifier of is he an NFL franchise QB. Is he seeing the field? Is he able to go through his progressions. When the pocket gets squeezed, does he bail out or step up? If the defense stacks 8 in the box to stop the run, is he able to make them pay for it? Can he make the deep throws consistently with accuracy? Right now, he looks like he might be able to be a backup QB. Unless he makes a serious improvement in his overall game, I'm still looking for another franchise QB come off season.

As a backup to replace Dalton on a 2 year deal for the right low figure price, sure. Worst case scenario, he is a low price backup that doesn't really offer a whole lot. Best case scenario, he actually competes for the starting job with Bryce while we look for the replacement for both. Either way, doesn't really move the needle much, but everything depends on the numbers.

Thank you, tho it usually happens the same for me too. The odds on this one were way too favorable to pass on. Of the 3, the 150 yards has me the most concerned. KC has a good run defense which means BY is going to have to throw it. If I pull it off, I plan to make it the trip of a lifetime.

Never, ever, ever Google that poo.

I've got a nice amount in a parlay. Bryce has a fumble Bryce throws for under 150 Bryce has a pick 6. If it pays off, it's time for a European vacation, first class all the way.

One of my customers had a kodiak bear mounted on the wall at his house. I have a black bear (dressed at 250 lbs) and this was probably 4x that size with claws almost 4 inches long. That would be one scary mofo to have to fight.

We've had some pretty awesome guys here too. I remember one in particular who would write the most amazing trash talk posts while sitting on the crapper in bathrooms across the world. SCP. Where are you?

Fat Alice immediately comes to mind.

Man that is a serious log jam at WR.

Those tires were flattened in Chicago then shredded in Pittsburg.

It's not fluffing. Having people in your FO that actually have gotten it done before is huge. And every year we all say they're gonna be in cap trouble and every year they pull out some miracle ass BS and they're not. I hate the Saints but if we could switch owners and FO right now I'd do it without hesitating. Tepper is that big of a handicap.

Are they spotting us 9?

We'll probably get more entertainment from this.

Gotta watch out for these too.

It all depends on what you pay and why he's brought here. On a 5M per 2 year contract to fill the Andy Dalton role, that would make sense because he's a backup with the potential to push to start over Young. Should you still look for a QB1? Absofreakinlutely. If he were brought in, neither he nor BY should just expect to be handed the reins to the offense. Could he end up being a reclamation project? Sure. But don't bring him in as one and for damn sure don't pay him like he's going to be one.

Most of us that didn't want Watson had reasons that had nothing to do with the football field.

No other team is in as bad a shape as we are because no other team has the Tyrannical Toddler as owner.