SmokinwithWilly

And how severely are we going to get involved. This has all the feels of a best of Cops episode dragging some guy's drunk ass out of the trailer in skidmarked tighty whities while his girlfriend and wife scream please don't take him before falling over the handrail through an open T top trans am on blocks.

Bryce had a lot of help in college. Bama has the top recruiting classes with mostly 1sts, a couple 2nd and a 5th over the past dozen years. 10 guys from his class were drafted. Georgia had 10 also. He played lesser caliber competition. Yeah he played in the SEC, but the SEC still has only so many 4 and 5 star recruits and draft worthy players. Alabama had the best, other teams didn't. That's just the nature of college ball. Now every team has what would be elite level talent in college. That huge advantage has disappeared and in many cases, he's on the lesser talent side. Bryce benefited from where he played. Nothing wrong with it. But its why you've got to ignore a lot of the game play and look at the physical attributes, footwork, progressions, motions, everything. We, and by we I mean Fitts and company and Tepper, ignored a lot of the simple red flags because they got hung up on the super processor hype. Damn that S2 test.

Battle of the check downs.

We didnt even run a tush push. Ours was just a TE sneak. Bryce and the back just stood there and watched.

Also his mother is his agent

Or they don't think he's going to have a long career as a crash test dummy.

At the time there was no way to make that trade. 3 1sts 3 2nds plus players possibly with what he wanted paid and he wanted the team to build around him. Im sure Baltimore would ask a small fortune again, but you don't trade away franchise QBs away unless there's some serious issues.

Im not getting worked up over anything. I was simply answering your question. I gave a very plausible reason why someone could root for us to lose on Saturday. We have a very reactionary owner who's acted on emotion several times. I don't think it's at all out of the realm of possibility that an Atlanta type game could result in a long term extension. It happens. Tepper's an owner that's gotten it wrong virtually every step of the way for 8 years. It's not a huge leap to think he wouldn't jump at the opportunity to sign Bryce long term after a "i knew it" moment.

Tepper is the wild card in all of this. He's supposedly stepped out, but if we get in and win a playoff game, I could see him getting right back into the decision making because he would feel vindicated. I have a lot of theories and conjecture, but when you lay out all the pieces, it looks like Tepper is still exerting some influence in our GM's office. I can't believe that Morgan, who went against great QBs as a MLB, looked at Dalton's game tape from last year and thought that was good enough. I just can't.

It's not illogical. Say we make the playoffs, one and done, Bryce gets his 5 year extension, yay team. We get the same Bryce, but start losing parts because of that 50m contract and all those close games we won even back out like they usually do. We're back to 5 to 7 wins for the next 4 or 5 years because one feel good game made our FO do something really stupid, AGAIN. If losing Saturday gets Bryce out of the building, some like me view that as a long term win. He is not a franchise QB. Our offense is crippled by his limitations. He's UDFA QB production that's being given more chances than he's deserved based on draft position. Getting him out of the building is a win. Unfortunately, I don't see an avenue of winning playoff games that doesn't keep Bryce in the building. I want long term success for this team. I think the biggest problem for us is Tepper chose Bryce to lead this team and as long as there is any sliver of hope he made the right choice, even with mountains of evidence to the contrary, he'll hang on because "he knew it". You asked how can anyone root for the Panthers to lose? I ask, how can you root for them to win if winning likely means 5 more years of Bryce Young as your QB? This isn't a fan problem, it's a FO problem, and we have a history of FO yes men doing very stupid things.

Ruined the perfect season for Brady. He should get an honorable mention at least just for fugging him over.

I think most of us aren't really Bryce haters as called but more so really confused and ticked off at this FO and it's behavior surrounding the QB room. The things they've done look like Bryce is being protected, shielded, whatever you want to call it, and that's coming from only one person, Tepper. He made the pick and he recognizes far too late when he's made a colossal mistake. Rhule, Hurney 2.0, Frank, Fitts. It just feel like just another log on the bonfire Dave started when he bought this team.

The question wasn't about knowing the future. It was to ascertain if you could see the logic behind the question. Short term pain of missing the playoffs for a season for the long term gain of perpetual contender. As to whether or not the FO has made their determination, I don't know. What i have seen is a QB that has been given more opportunity than deserved based on the results. If not for draft position, Bryce would have been cut a long time ago. If Bryce has an Atlanta type game in the first round of the playoffs, I could 100% see Tepper stepping in and offering him a huge extension to prove he knew it all along. I see both sides of the argument. Enjoy the playoffs while you can. Who knows when you'll be back. Or, feel the pain of missing the playoffs, but force the FO and most importantly the meddling owner to get real honest about our QB room. I haven't seen anything out of Morgan that gives me any reason to believe he doesn't think Bryce is the answer. Signing an ancient Dalton when clearly better options were available. Bringing back Plummer, who was camp bait the year before. We've purposefully ignored improvement in our QB room. My personal opinion, we shielded Bryce from feeling any pressure behind him. A humiliating defeat Saturday with Bryce putting up the biggest stinkerof his career may be what's necessary to wake this FO up. And who knows, we could lose Saturday, Falcons win, we still back into the playoffs with a losing record and the FO finally clues in the QB room has to be addressed at the 1,2 and 3 spots.

Because he likely has the same fear a few of us do which is a win and playoff appearance means the FO will subject us to years more of Bryce and the QB play that comes with him. Bryce as our franchise QB for the next 5 years is like signing up to be punched in the dick a dozen Sundays a season for half a decade. Our FO has not made one right decision with our QB room in the 8 years Tepper has been owner. Do you trust them to make the right one if we make the playoffs with a one and done? If you knew missing the playoffs this year meant we would be a perennial contender in 3 years, would you cheer for missing the playoffs this year? I want them to win. I also want no 4th year, 5th year option or extension. I've seen more than enough. Sadly, I don't think we can have both options.

I dont see how there can be 5 deep passes from goal line to goal line. 2 at most. A true deep ball is 40 plus in the air to me.

1st team in modern NFL history going to the playoffs twice with a losing record if that happens.

That's what I think of when I think of a deep throw. 20 yards ain't a deep throw no matter what they say now.

Those 5 yard check downs looking good these days

That was PI all day

Can't coach to lose. Are you listening Dave?

Falcons are determined to fug us.

That was not a hold. He just threw his ass to the ground.

Dj got a penalty for taking off his helmet. Bijan runs off the bench across the field without his... Nada

I would have traded him to the Rams, used those picks and our 9 to trade for the 1 and kept Moore, then take a real QB instead of Young or trade that 1 overall the Clausen Jr got us for a boatload of picks.