SmokinwithWilly

Which was my point. And entrenched starter can lose his job due to extremely poor play and Bryce has had literally the worst QB play in the NFL since being drafted. He hasn't even had to face a remotely capable QB in camp and he's being kept starter for some other reason than performance after 3 years. I'd call that coddling.

Since you don't believe in stats there's no way to have a rational discussion. Statistically, across all metrics that measure a QBs performance, for 3 years, Bryce has been the worst starter in the NFL. Where in any other sport, does the worst player in the league at his position play for 3 years without ever facing one day of competition for his job? And you're right, the Bucs aren't going to tell Baker that. He already knows it. It's the NFL. The highest level of football in the world. Not. For. Long. He already knows if he isn't the best QB on the team, chances are high that he could and should be replaced. Any competent coach/GM would do it or they could lose their job. But since you've said starters are entrenched, backups who've taken the starters job Brady from Bledsoe Romo from Bledsoe Dak from Romo R. Wilson from Matt Flynn Hurts from Wentz Kaepernick from Smith Cousins from RG3 Tannehill from Marriota Warner from Green And a little closer to home Delhomme from Rodney Peete. There's a few

Well the decisions of Tepper and his minions have led to the worst record in sports in the last 8 years. They've been wrong a hell of a lot more than they've been right. I trust my conclusions a hell of a lot more than theirs.

Its also time to accept the fact if the powers that be had listened to the Huddle we'd have made the correct choice on major decisions more often than not.

Mayes might be the most natural center we have on the roster. I don't count Corbett anymore because he's hurt too much. Paradis was coming off major leg injury, we had Bozeman and that was horrific. I was told repeatedly by many on this board anyone could play center and we should focus resources elsewhere. It's been the Achilles heel of our line for a long while now. Finding the QB of our line needs to be a priority this offseason.

It looks like he's really starting to get his leadership role entrenched. I'm not a huge fan of his schemes at times, but I think we may lose him to a HC offer potentially because of that leadership quality. It's the trait I liked most in Ryans before we hired Frank, but he refused our interview request.

Ive never understood not going after a center after Kalil's neck injury. Center is the keystone in the offense as much as QB. Our line has really struggled without that leadership position. That's always been a core of offense to me, even moreso than tackles. We were spoiled with his level of play.

I think the reason we immediately picked up Darnold's 5th was what we traded to get him and it wasn't reasonable to expect him to reach his potential on a new team in a new offense in a single season given where he was at in his career. I think 2 seasons was a reasonable expectation, especially given the fact he had been coached by Gase.

How many teams coddle their QB the way Bryce has been coddled? I have never seen any other team in the NFL EVER baby a QB the way that Bryce has been. Bryce was named day 1 starter his first year. It was obvious he didnt deserve it. He wasnt ready as evidenced by the worst rookie year in NFL history. So let's move to year 2. He's named starter again with no competition in TC and is benched 2 games later. We have the ghost of a backup in Dalton who is so bad he can only beat Vegas and let's remember, the only reason he lost his starting job was a car accident, not because Bryce actually beat him out in practice. And year 3. We sign Dalton again, who already proved he couldn't be depended on to put an even remotely passable performance on the field, and bring back Jack Plummer, who was even worse than last year. It was obvious he was nothing more than a pretend body in an attempt to create an illusion of some type of attempt to find a backup. Then we start again with garbage play again and Bryce gets benched with a phantom injury, and the ghost of the ghost of Dalton breaks his thumb on the first drive and craps the field all over again. If we had actually made an attempt to find a legitimate QB2, it's possible Bryce doesn't step on the field again. Bryce is not agood QB and if we had any other mediocre QB, our record would be the same or better. Bryce is not entrenched. He's been placed, protected and sheltered from ever having to face a real QB competition in TC. Richardson and Levis both were ass and both were benched and eventually replaced. Do I expect Baker to face competition in camp? Sure. I expect Tampa to find the best QB2 they can at price that fits their cap and resources and system and get him up to speed. If he's better than Baker, and if he's better by a significant margin, that's best for the team. The ultimate goal is a Super Bowl. Bellichek was constantly getting QB2s with the GOAT as his starter. He knew the value and that was realized when Cassell led them to an 11-5 record as a backup. You and I may think differently than the people that matter but I will say it again. If you're afraid to bring in a capable backup, especially after the debacle of last year. The starting role wasn't earned, it was given, and that's loser mentality.

Why would you not let him compete? Put the best QB on the field. Period. Why must we coddle Bryce? Why should everyone else on the team have to compete for a starting job except for him? You think if the team sees another QB outperform him in TC and he's still handed the job it won't wreck the locker room? Again I say. Loser mentality.

The team should. If they don't, they should be fired. You always look to improve. Always. Bryce gets hurt week 1 and is out for the season. You want Jack Plummer as your QB for the season because you don't want anyone capable of competing? That's loser mentality.

I wouldn't mind taking a look at Michael Mayer from Vegas. Ever since they took Bowers he's disappeared. He's had a thumb injury this season, but he may be able to had since he's been mentioned in some trade rumors this year before the deadline. His contract is still manageable too.

It could be done. You just have to have the proper support infrastructure underneath. Just take some engineering to carry thr load. I got bored one day and figured out how to do it from a landscaping perspective.

I pulled a hammy thinking about running a 40.

If he leaves for a HC job, we get an extra 3rd comp pick in consecutive years.

Saints fan must sniff the residue left on Bourbon Street after Mardi Gras. I'm sure fat Alice has a baggie of it hidden somewhere in his nanny's room.

Tide pods and bath salts?

Daniel Snyder saved us from Greg Little in the first by taking Haskins which left us Burns. Hurney had said he would have taken him at 16. Instead he traded up in the 2nd to get him only to have him shipped out 2 years later for a late round pick and a stale twinkie. I know everyone says Hurney was a 1st round genius with his record, but some of it was other teams being stupid and some must of been just sheer dumb luck. Hars to believe anyone could be that good (1sts) and that terrible (2nd-7th) at everything else.

That's a weak OPI

Moton is signed through 2027. He has 2 more to go.

Yes. Why yes I do.

Probably the first 2k rushing QB.

I was just listing the possibilities that were available, even the unlikely ones.

Cap is roughly 280m per season right now. After Icky's extension (26m AAV), Mayes (6m), and keeping the rest of the oline, Chuba, Tmac and XL, if we signed Bryce to his 50m extension this offseason, we'd be at roughly 160 of our 280 without anyone else on offense. Brown and Horn take up 47m by themselves. 10 players of our 53 would eat up 75% of our cap in 26. We'd be crippled.

Dak can have 500 yards with 6 TDs all to Lamb and Pickens and still lose and I'll be happy. I have all 3 starting on the same team in FF tonight.