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And if he doesn't work out, so what. It's not like Bryce's 3k yards are a high threshold to clear. Bryce shouldn't be guaranteed any starting position. He hasn't been consistently good enough. Even if someone not named Howell is brought in and performs better than Bryce, they should get the starting role. This isn't about feelings, it's about wins and you're not going to win many of those averaging less than 200 yards of passing offense a week.

He has potential. His year in Washington without a running game and under pressure almost every play he still managed to put up numbers. I'm not saying start him, but as a QB2 with potential, yeah, I like it for the right price. I hold no illusions that he's a franchise QB, but is he better than Dalton with age on his side and opportunity to get better? Yes. It's time to start throwing some darts. And let's be real. If Bryce wasn't a Panther, no one on this board would be screaming to trade for him if he was available.

How they treated the Baker/Sam thing was a joke. He was used as a DE on the PS. He may not have been any good here had he really been given a chance to succeed, but that whole situation was a clusterfug. I don't blame him for wanting out of this Tepper led poo show.

You underestimate the stupidity of our owner. Bryce shouldn't have got the 5th year but he did. He hasn't had back to back franchise QB level game performances ever. Our franchise is being built on hope and a determined owner who will not admit he made the wrong choice.

By the time you draft a QB and design and drafting the players to build around him, especially with the trade up we did, the rookie QB contract window is almost over. It's better to build the system and find the QB to drop into it before the 50-60m per season bomb drops or just draft from your position without bankrupting your future.

Kept Darnold and draft JSN. It's not like there weren't possibilities if we had been mildly intelligent.

Puka broke up that pick same as he did today on a near pick. I give players credit for making plays. Stafford has a SB win and is a perennial playoff QB while we have 8 losing seasons in a row. I'm no Rams fan but we'd be damn lucky to have gotten him instead of LA.

His 1st 2 coaches were Adam Gase and Matt Rhule. 2 HCs for 2 of the worst franchises this past decade. I'm not that surprised actually. Takes a couple years under competent coaches to get up to speed. He's getting there.

That offense can score easily in under 2 minutes. We gave them the ball back with too much time on the clock.

Take the points there. Only down by one. Even if they score, you can still go for the 2pt

One QB that struggles to see over the line and one that will need cataract surgery at some point during the year. Good times.

It's only going to get worse with NIL and transfers. These QBs aren't NFL ready and they need to sit. I think if we see them sitting the first year or 2 after being drafted, it will change the QB NIL situation as well.

The right answer was re-sign Darnold, sit at 9 and let the draft come to us. Even if we took a QB, it's been better to let them sit and learn the 1st year or part of it than shove them straight into the fire unless there's no other choice. Too much risk for a QB that wasn't likely to be an elite franchise QB anyway based on the history of overall 1st pick QBs. If that Manning or Luck caliber QB had been available, Chicago wouldn't have traded out.

And brought to you by a pharmaceutical company. I wonder why.

Maybe not, but he can run the system and doesn't look like he's got one foot in the NFL grave and one on a banana peel. You have to have someone capable. Dalton most definitely has not been the past 2 years, arguably 3.

Interesting that they just brought up the point of having a real backup QB because your season can be over from one bad break if you don't. Hope Dan is listening.

He had one game in the playoffs, and that last drive was anything but clutch. However, if it wasn't for the epic collapse of the Bucs, the Saints not starting Shough earlier in the season, or the Falcons bailing us out with a win we couldn't get ourselves, there is no playoff game. Yay, we made the playoffs at 8-9. That ain't happening every year. You gotta be clutch during the season too and we didn't see that. To be clutch in the playoffs you have to get there. Bryce's performance this year is taking no one there except in the NFCS on a really bad year. Criticize Darnold all you want, but he wasn't the one sitting on the couch cheering on another team to get him there, because he failed badly to get us there when he needed to be "clutch." You may not consider him clutch in the playoffs, but he's gotten 2 teams there, both with very good records too. It's an unpopular opinion, but I think if you can't win your division with a winning record you shouldn't be in the playoffs unless by some miracle your wildcard record gets you in. It's just another participation trophy if you do.

This has been the attitude that's given us horrible centers since Kalil injured his neck. This is not a good center class to draft one high, but having the attitude that anyone will do calling all the protections for the line has proven to be the wrong approach for years.

They weren't well thought out. We needed one, not both. 2 top center/guard candidates were going to be available in the 2nd. We would have been fine with JPJ or Frazier. Drafting either over XL or Brooks would have made perfect sense. Hell, drafting both would have made sense even if we had signed Lewis or Hunt. Instead we drafted a 1 year wonder project WR and a luxury RB that we didn't need since we had Hubbard. Draft IOL, pay tackles. Plenty of 2nd round guards and centers start immediately and play very well. Those 2 picks were not good then, now, no matter how much explaining anyone tries to do. Several of called it then.

Ill take that kind of juju. Playoffs in 6 straight years. Yes please.

Like we sent out a legit request to Ryans. He turned us down. He was a top coaching candidate that turned us down. I think that meets the standard. Bringing someone else in who isn't up to that standard just to mark a checklist is a bit insulting I would think.

Of all the trucks we saw Cam do, that was one of the least memorable when I think of him running over someone.

Pickles was a 2nd round pick. Bryce was 1st overall. At some point you expected to see something, anything for any period of time that showed why he was a 1st overall pick. I never saw it. The top QB in the draft is expected to elevate the players around him. Clausen didnt have that same level of expectation. Also have to remember that Bradford got a record rookie contract that year too. Can you imagine if we had given Bryce a comparable contract? We'd probably be paying close to 40m a season or more. We'd be doing more than screaming if Clausen and Bryce had been drafted in the same era.

We gotta start swinging at some point. We need a rookie QB body in camp that could actually have potential. If he works out, fine. If not, swing again next year. We need to keep at it until we have a definite QB1 and a serious conversation piece at QB2.