SmokinwithWilly

I'm sure they do. I sure as hell would. While I agree with the sentiment you need your guy at QB, my opinion on how to build has shifted. Personally, I think resources need to be spent on the offensive line, a solid WR1 with 2 interchangeable guys that can fill the WR2/3 role, and a guy with glue for hands. RBs can be had in later rounds or UDFA. Behind a solid line, those guys become better than their acquired cost. You can entice a FA QB or draft a QB that fits a system rather than spend years trying to build around one only to find out he isn't capable.

All the pre-draft stuff with his creating his own draft room for a million bucks and the narrative his dad wasn't letting him play for just any team in the NFL. It was a very bad image going in, and then it didn't help that guys like Kiper were just humping his leg day 2 and 3 about he was the best player in the draft and it was a travesty he wasn't drafted yet and he would be the best player in the draft and they would all regret it. It's also perpetuated on social media that he deserved to be starter because of what he did in college over anyone else on the team and on and on. Rage bait for clicks etc.

I think the real question is will he accept a short, mid-range contract. As I've said many times in many threads, the 5th year is an option, but Lamar is the only one who played on it. Jones played the final year of his rookie deal. All the other 1st round QBs other than Tua (year 4) got their extensions following year 3 of their rookie deal. Bryce could easily follow suite. Lawrence got a huge extension and hasn't been a franchise QB. I could see his agent pushing for that level of contract just because it's already been given to Lawrence and similar to Purdy and Tua (4 year, not 5). There's a lot of speculation right now obviously, but a couple of these big contracts to not so franchise guys has helped put us in a bad position.

I've seen no selfies with Rex Ryan at Lowe's. Not sure it can be the same guy.

Well, he's already done it once, so there's that.

I see Brooks as any other late round or UDFA at this point. If he makes the team, fine. If not, nothing lost. Nothing against the guy and hate his career has been derailed by this injury, but a great run blocking line can turn an average RB into a great RB and vice versa. Easy to get lots of yards as a back when you aren't getting 1st contact until 2 or 3 yards past the LoS.

They're going to follow the game plan of any team vs Bryce. Make him throw. If he has a good day, we can win. If not, the board will be heated again after the game.

Just saw Daniel Jones having season ending Achilles surgery.

Almost to the point of needing to carry a dozen linemen anymore. Way too many injuries for most teams every year. I'd like to see the roster expanded a few spots to help, or even a few more protected spots on the PS and expand a few slots there.

Their WR injuries have hurt as well. No consistency in that group at all.

If you want to make people uncomfortable use the word "moist" in regular conversation.

No reason for the Browns to trade him. He's cheap and has time to get better. His value can only go up for them.

No it doesn't. We've put 3 years worth of resources into him. I want him to be successful. His success means the team is successful. Him not being a success is bad for the team. Him not being a success and the front office thinking he is and offering a huge contract is catastrophic. I can differentiate between these things. Obviously you can't.

We don’t currently have 9 wins. I didn’t care about a winning season before it started and I still don’t. I care about building a consistent winning organization. We haven’t had that in 3 decades. This season was always about, did we have a franchise QB? Take away the name and the draft position and evaluate the play over the course of the season and I think he hasn’t been good enough to label this QB as a franchise elevating player. He has required an unsustainable amount of resources to make him a bottom tier QB. Our defense has been middle of the road despite having among the least amount of dedicated cap in the league. We are relying on 2 rookies for our pass rush because we’ve spent heavily in draft and FA on offense. This QB doesn’t make our team a contender for the next decade. I won’t pretend otherwise.

Most of those QBs got their extension following year 3 of their rookie deal. Lamar is the only one that played on his 5th year. No guarantee Bryce or his agent would agree to the option based on what’s happened with other QBs.

And there are no reputable sources regarding Bryce. Every beat writer, talking head, and reputable source lost all credibility after drafting day IMO.

Can you answer the question? Do you think Bryce should get an extension for 50-55m per season at the end of this year if he demands it?

You've been making all these arguments from the 1st person. So unless you're privy to a whole lot of inside information from the front office, this is your opinion. What I'm seeing from you is that you believe that Bryce is the reason we are winning all these football game. I don't think he is. I think we could plug in any mid tier QB in the NFL right now and have the same or better results. Our defense is vastly improved as is our running game which have contributed greatly to our overall record. I'm not talking beyond the 5th year. At the end of the 3rd year is when QBs typically want their extensions. They don't play on the last year of their rookie deal. The only 1st round starting QB to play his final year on the rookie deal was Jones. The last QB to play his entire 5th year option without the extension was Lamar. Bryce could very well want his extension this summer because that's what the rest of NFL QBs get. 55-55m a season could be the asking price for Bryce. Do you think what we've seen across 3 years warrants such a contract? Your opinion. Not what you the front office will do.

And you're rationalizing what you want to see. There are definitely scenarios where Bryce doesn't return next year that aren't outlandish. Here's one. Bryce wants an extension similar to the other top QBs at the end of year 3 that are still with their original team that drafted them. The Panthers refuse that level of compensation. The options are trade, cut or hold out. This is actually a very possible scenario. The only QB I can remember to play on his final year without the 5th year is Daniel Jones. I can't think of another. Lamar played on his full 5th year. Do you think, based on his current level of play, Bryce is worth 250m for 5 years with 180m guaranteed?do you think the Panthers believe Bryce is good enough that he deserves that kind of contract, bearing in mind what it will cost to make happen? Icky- gone. Lewis - gone. Mayes- possibly gone. Is Bryce still worth it?

The Atl game was an anomaly. 200 air yards with 250 YAC. That may be a record day on the stat sheet but that is not normal production. Does Bryce get credit for Tremble running over 5 Atl defenders for 45 extra yards? He didn't beat a Super Bowl contender by himself. Seems I remember an interception in the end zone, one returned for a touchdown and a strip sack turnover when the Rams were driving. Pretty sure the D had a significant role in that win with those takeaways. Without that defensive TD, that's a loss. And it's not like our offense was in a shootout keeping pace with theirs. They were driving on our defense all day long at will. That pick in the end zone. Like a TD or field goal. That's at least a 10-17 point swing from those 2 plays by the defense. You think we were making that up? It took 2 4th down gambles to score because we couldnt sustain drives. And Bryce with 20 passing attempts all day is not leading an offense that was a 2:1 run to pass ratio. You can say Bryce had a great game. I say he had 3 great plays. The rest of the time, he was invisible. You're arguing he's going to get the option based of an anomaly game he hasn't come close to repeating in 3 seasons and team win, heavily influenced by takeaways and defensive scoring. And in SF, he didn't look like a rookie. He looked like the QB that got benched week 2 of his 2nd year. I think even discussing the option is asinine at this point. Let him finish the year. If he puts up 4 more ATL games, offer the 5th. He puts up another SF or 2, the 5th year should never be mentioned again.

Which was my point. And entrenched starter can lose his job due to extremely poor play and Bryce has had literally the worst QB play in the NFL since being drafted. He hasn't even had to face a remotely capable QB in camp and he's being kept starter for some other reason than performance after 3 years. I'd call that coddling.

Since you don't believe in stats there's no way to have a rational discussion. Statistically, across all metrics that measure a QBs performance, for 3 years, Bryce has been the worst starter in the NFL. Where in any other sport, does the worst player in the league at his position play for 3 years without ever facing one day of competition for his job? And you're right, the Bucs aren't going to tell Baker that. He already knows it. It's the NFL. The highest level of football in the world. Not. For. Long. He already knows if he isn't the best QB on the team, chances are high that he could and should be replaced. Any competent coach/GM would do it or they could lose their job. But since you've said starters are entrenched, backups who've taken the starters job Brady from Bledsoe Romo from Bledsoe Dak from Romo R. Wilson from Matt Flynn Hurts from Wentz Kaepernick from Smith Cousins from RG3 Tannehill from Marriota Warner from Green And a little closer to home Delhomme from Rodney Peete. There's a few

Well the decisions of Tepper and his minions have led to the worst record in sports in the last 8 years. They've been wrong a hell of a lot more than they've been right. I trust my conclusions a hell of a lot more than theirs.

Its also time to accept the fact if the powers that be had listened to the Huddle we'd have made the correct choice on major decisions more often than not.

Mayes might be the most natural center we have on the roster. I don't count Corbett anymore because he's hurt too much. Paradis was coming off major leg injury, we had Bozeman and that was horrific. I was told repeatedly by many on this board anyone could play center and we should focus resources elsewhere. It's been the Achilles heel of our line for a long while now. Finding the QB of our line needs to be a priority this offseason.