SmokinwithWilly

5 weeks? More like 3. He didn't do squat to win that game against the Giants. That was Chuba and the defense getting 2 key turnovers and Jones shitting the bed. The game winning drive in OT he handed the ball off. That's not progress. That's Jimmy Claussen. That game was who wanted to lose it more and Jones won. He looked better the next 3, and then he poo the bed all over again against Dallas. 3 fumbles is inexcusable. So far we've devoted 3 1sts, 2 in trade plus XL 4 2nds, 2 in trade, Mingo, Brooks (plus 2 5ths) Sanders and Zavala in the 4th DJ Moore Plus the most expensive offensive line in the league. Maybe he'd have more weapons if we hadn't had to pay a kings ransom to be better than one of the worst rookie QB seasons in history.

Probably has something to do with playing guard now too. He's a very big guy and handling edge rushers with speed was probably hard on his lower body.

Also the first time he's been relatively healthy since entering the league.

When you look at what's been spent on BY and to build around him, it's ridiculous. Being middle of the pack is a damn embarrassment if he was even that good.

We can't afford the 80m salary per year he'll want.

He's already said he won't focus just on the defensive side of the ball. That could be a problem for a team if he's set on being a WR too.

The other thing to factor in will be BC's contract or lack thereof. Can Icky play swing T and guard. If so, he could become the new BC and be able to fill multiple positions on the line.

You make some of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen by someone who claims to be a fan of sports. Every opinion you have is made as a Panthers homer. You can't separate being a fan from talking about actual football. The NFL and everyone in it does not revolve around the Carolina Panthers. It takes 53 men to win a SB, plus coaches and staff, it's not an individual sport even though there are individual accolades. I chose Allen because I think overall he is the better QB. It's not by much, but his passing ability is superior to Cam's and ultimately, the QB is a passing position. And I would chose Tom Brady over either one of them, because he's better than either one of them and has 7 SB rings to prove it. I chose Luke in today's league because he's a better pass coverage LB and with the rules skewed towards a passing league, I think Lewis's style of play would actually cause him to have difficulty from being able to play his type of football. If we're talking about 20 years ago and the way the league played, I'd take Lewis over Luke. The rules of the game have changed and so has the skillset. But according to how you ride, Jake Delhomme was a better QB than Peyton Manning. Being a Panthers player makes him immediately a better player. Nick Foles has a SB ring and SB MVP. He must be better than Cam because Cam never got those things. See how stupid that sounds? Or maybe you don't.

I think part of being a good coach is recognizing your key player strengths and maximizing them. Rhule cared about 1 thing. OOU. No QB really stood much of a chance with him as HC.

Luke could break down a play so fast the offense never had a chance. Ray could hit a player so hard he never wanted to get back up. In today's personal foul league, it's gotta be Luke. 20 years ago, it was Lewis. Though I will say the thought of TD, Lewis and Luke on the field together... well that's the stuff dreams are made of.

That's why I'm a firm believer that you draft IOL and you pay tackles. Starting caliber IOL are routinely found in rounds 2-4 and having them on a cheaper rookie salary gives you the flexibility to pay those premium edge spots that are much harder to find. At least 2 picks every draft should be devoted to the line between offense and defense line since roughly 20% of the team is devoted to those positions.

From what I remember, Ron had hinted at going to the 3-4 but we didn't have the players to do it. Typically a change like that will take at least 2 years, sometimes 3, to get all the right guys in. Ron was on the hot seat already when that change was made and fired after 12 games in 2019. For a coach with his job on the line and less than a year to prove he's worth keeping, it makes no sense at all to implement a defensive change like that when you don't have the personnel to run it and no realistic way to get them.

We need a journeyman QB. Dalton's contract is up and at this point, I'd consider him a journeyman so whether it's Dalton or somebody else, we need one. We also need a 3rd QB regardless of whether Bryce is the starter or not. Our QB room is ass and we need to be looking to improve that situation.

He has consistently had problems moving side to side on the edge and handling speed. His bread and butter coming out of college was his run blocking and power. Inside he'd have to deal with less speed trying to get around him and more power and size which play to his strengths better. Blocking a 260 lb edge rusher with speed is different than trying to block a 310lb DT who relies more on power. One tries to go around and the other has to fight through. Brian Burns is talented but he isn't worth what the Giants paid him. It all depends on the contract demands. If this franchise gives Icky top 3 LT money, it deserves another 5 3 win seasons.

WTF are you even talking about? This fanbase loved Cam. Cam is not on the team anymore so I don't know how the fanbase could openly root for Cam. If you asked anybody if they would take prime Brady over prime Cam, you and a couple others might be the only ones that would take Cam. Most NFL guys would take Allen over Cam. I can be a Panthers fan and not think that Cam is the greatest QB to ever play in the NFL.

The wheels did fall off. It's something to talk about other than why we're 3-11 and enduring our 7th losing season in a row under Tepper. It's possible to talk football without being completely homer skewed in your opinions. Allen is a better passer than Cam and Cam is/was a better pure runner. I'd give up what we gave up to get BY in a heartbeat for either.

It all depends on the contract he wants or may ask for. The team can't afford to sink top tier LT money into Icky because he's not that guy. After signing 2 guards to big contracts, Moton's contract, a possible BC contract this off season, there's only so much left to pay him. If was all pro caliber like a Sewell or Slater, you don't hesitate. But he's not and it becomes a valid question. If the Jets or Jags came calling offering a 2nd rounder for Icky, do you take it? I'd say he's more suited to slide inside where his power would be better suited to hide his lateral mobility, but again, we already spent on 2 guards and you can't pay him tackle money to play inside. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how we can best allocate $$$ and put players in the best position to be successful.

I'm not giving him a pass per se, but it's hard to run an effective 3-4 without a legit NT. We've never had the personnel to run that scheme effectively, but it is his defense and he's responsible partly for how they have played and his schemes. Can't blame him for injuries or lack of the right players to fit the 3-4, but that soft, prevent D is all his to own.

It's not a knock on Icky. It's just recognizing what he does and doesn't do well vs potential costs to keep him. Icky is best driving forward pushing guys. He has a strong anchor and the power to shove guys out of the way. His lateral movement and quickness aren't nearly as strong. To pass block, you have to have quick feet and balance and that isn't Icky, at least right now.

Dave was determined to get him receivers with long arms because Cam tended to throw high. Disregard the fact his line couldn't block the hallway at a nursing home and give him time to pass without having to jail break out of the pocket. Such a sad waste of talent.

We've never had the personnel to run a 3-4. That was Tepper's brain child when he bought the team. Ron had run 4-3 his entire tenure and all of a sudden on the coaching hot seat he completely switches defensive schemes and we stick with it once he's gone? That call came from up above.

At least it's something to discuss other than another embarrassing season.