SmokinwithWilly

I'm wondering if Deion is a huge part of the problem. You're not just drafting Shadeur, you're drafting Prime Time as well and I can't imagine the thought of having to put up with his constant input is going to be appealing or appreciated, especially at the Giants where the coach and GM jobs are on the line. If those guys are out at the end of the year, you can bet Deion would be after the HC job and his son would make that push as well.

Don't crush my dreams.

Can we trade for Howie?

I'm thinking Johnson. They can wait for him to get better and get a top 10 talent.

Deion is probably losing his poo right now.

Yeah it was.

I think Tet was the less risky pick. I think Warren would have been a good pick as well. Top 10 pick you really don't want to blow and I'm guessing the pass rushers really didn't do it for them the way Tet did.

It's not crazy. I remember something about Stroud wanting Tank Dell and Houston taking him because of it.

He can catch the freaking ball. It's a trait we haven't in it feels like forever. I'm happy we finally have a receiver that actually knows how to use his hands and catch the damn ball.

One of the things that worries me about Jaycee and that contract is they're starting to get a lot more ticky tack about hands on DBs. Could be Morgan anticipated the coming changes in the NFL, but I'm not willing to give him that much credit yet.

Pretty much. We're looking at a potential 40m per year or more contract after next season. We have to give him the weapons to know if he's worth it or not. You can't pay that kind of money hoping for a Mahomes and getting a Darnold.

Fitts is on speed dial. It's the only explanation for us being this predictable and stupid.

Absolutely. You never know where that 1st is going to end up. I know people say future 1sts aren't worth as much, but our 1st turned into the number 1 overall pick. How many of us said we should have traded Burns for those 2 1sts and 2nd? IF we had, we could have likely kept our picks, Moore, and used the Rams picks instead of our own which would have given us even more collateral when we traded out of the 1st spot to keep BY. Unless there is a bonafide HoF talent, like Peppers, sitting there at that draft spot, you have to be open to move, regardless of the team you're trading with. You just have to make division opponents pay more because well, fug em.

You've watched the Panthers on draft day. That's the only way we play.

I'm not a fan of drafting injured players, but cornerback is more valuable than RB for drafting purposes.

Agreed. I don't think there's a true elite going to be there at 8. This draft just doesn't have that feel to me. If we can move down a few spots, pick up an extra 2nd and possibly a 3rd, we could try to fill in the holes we have on D or grab a guy that slid out of the 1st for whatever reason. No guys with raw potential. Don't get fancy.

I'm always a fan of trading down unless there is an elite player at the pick. There's just too many blue chip players to be found in the early 2nd and 3rd rounds that can be very low risk, starter caliber as long as you're not constantly reaching for project players. But damn, we love guys that are raw projects.

Schoen reminds me of Matt Rhule as a GM. Throw poo at the wall and see what sticks and when it doesn't play dumb.

The only way it does is if they're not happy with the QB prospects this year and are looking to next. New coach, new QB.

I consider it a bad draft for a different reason. When Sewell went at 7, I thought for sure we were going to go with Slater at 8. Anyone who watched his film could see he was an elite LT prospect. Footwork, balance, bend, hands were all good and he had dominated against elite college edge talent. We haven't had a cornerstone LT since Gross and still don't. For me, this was such an easy call here. My first 3 picks I had wanted were 1st: Sewell/Slater - I had them 1a and 1b 2nd: Creed Humphrey - we needed a center and he was the best in the draft 3rd: Nico Collins - That was more of a Michigan homer pick and I was about 60/40 he would translate to the NFL level, but I still considered him a good WR2/WR3 if he did. Even I've been surprised by his success. I would have considered Slater/Humphrey a home run even if no one else had worked out.

Remember how the huddle knew we were drafting Will Grier and even the spot we were taking him a month before the draft? Yes. We're that bad.

We were still better than Scott Fitterer.

Too bad we can't move on from owners who haven't performed quite as easily.

I don't disagree that we do need someone with some speed that can be our version of Tyreek, I just want them to be able to catch the damn ball. We have drafted so many guys for traits while ignoring their actual skills. 4.3 speed is great, but if the ball isn't in your hands, it's pretty useless. I'm not saying I want Tet, just that he checks of the most important part of being a WR for me. The ball hits his hands and he's gonna catch it. Hands are my #1 skill for a receiver before speed. Only point I was really making.