SmokinwithWilly

Even the Broncos fans I was watching with were calling BS. The league sent a clear message Cam was not going to be the face of the NFL and Peyton was going out a winner. Talib said he was trying to injure Philly Brown and got a 25k fine and NO players got a year suspension. It's not soft. It's rigged.

I was just getting ready to bring up the Thorpe award.

Maybe so. But we're going to need more than 2 games to declare him the next great one and not the next Kyle Allen.

So if Hunter and Tmac are both sitting there, who are you taking?

What we've been saying is that he may be the #1 prospect but being the top prospect doesn't necessarily mean he's the best fit. You've been hammering that he's going to be the Heisman winner, but as it turns out, that's not really a mark of future NFL success in the past couple of decades. You've also been going on about stats and those don't really matter as much as people think because of the talent disparity between colleges. NFL teams are much closer talent wise than colleges so you really have to start looking at the traits and skills vs numbers. Just because he's the #1 prospect doesn't mean he's going to be great in the NFL. Is he the best WR in the draft? Debatable. Best DB? Also debatable. We're looking at is he the best player at whichever position he decides to play and how is that going to translate to the NFL game? Is he going to fit in with whatever the coach or team is trying to do? Are there potential attitude problems? Are there issues with learning the playbook? Are there issues with any number of different things that goes into examining these players? These are the same questions you ask when you look at any potential prospect, 1 or 100. Tuka gave a very well thought out reason why he'd take TMac over Hunter at WR. WR on the outside vs WR in the slot. Arguments can be made for the success and drawbacks of both in different systems. The Giants already have Nabors. Would pairing him with Hunter or Tmac make more sense? There's going to be a new coach in NY. What type of offense is he going to run? Are they going to be looking for a QB in the draft or going FA? Would it make more sense to trade out of that spot and grab picks if another team wants to move up? He's also said “They said I couldn’t do it in college,” Hunter said. “I ended up doing it in college. So a lot of people telling me I can’t do it in the NFL, but I’m gonna still do it in the NFL.” That could be a potential problem if he doesn't want to listen to his coaches if they tell him no. You're talking he's the #1 college prospect. He is likely by a majority of scouts and media. What we're talking about is is he the #1 fit at WR or DB at the NFL level? Those are 2 very different things and are very debatable.

Do you see us keeping Horn? He's going to want that big contract and I don't know that you can give it to him given his injury history. Plus, depending on how we finish the season, he may not want to stay like Luvu. There's something to be said for being with a competitor. I think these last few games are really going to steer where we go in the draft.

He hasn't played a single snap in the NFL yet. Lots of prospects don't work out in the NFL for a variety of reasons. I've never said he's not good. I've never said he's not elite. I've said I don't know how well he will translate to the NFL for any number of reasons. You're giving him his statue and jacket already. I'm saying let him play the game before you pronounce him the next god of the NFL.

Oh I get what you're saying and completely agree. I just don't think it would long to prove how playing both ways just isn't feasible, even in a single game. He'd become a liability by the 4th quarter. Also, any larger receiver is just going to be able to body him off the ball. I think to play DB in the NFL he's going to need to put on at least 15-20 lbs.

It would take a few series of him playing both ways before an OC pulled a Julio Jones and ran a couple of decoy post routes before torching him on the 3rd because he was exhausted.

Ian Thomas will never be released!

I know people here gave him a lot of poo, but Bersin had hands. If it hit his hands, he caught it. Theilen is the only other receiver we've had since with hands like that. Everyone loves the 40 and route trees but I'd rather be lacking in those 2 and just have somebody that can actually catch the damn ball.

He didn't say he won't win it. He said he will win it because of his 2 way play. Once he goes to the NFL, his days of 2 way play are over with. At that point, the reason why he won the heisman will become irrelevant because he won't play both ways on the NFL field. He may be the best overall player in the draft, but it's not unanimous across scouts like you believe. Half of what he does in college he won't be doing in the NFL. If you don't think that's going to have an impact on how he's looked at, then you've got your head buried in the sand. He's a top NFL prospect. He may not be the top choice for every NFL team. I don't know why that's so hard to comprehend.

In hockey, it's still a plus 2.

Those brownies must have packed a little extra punch. I've been asleep a long time.

old school - Axis and Allies Rail Baron Risk Not sure how old - Tsuro I miss D&D. We created some epic campaigns and characters. It really helped develop my ability to think outside the box and problem solve.