SmokinwithWilly

How? 3 shots and i lost 24 hours.

Qb is the single most important position on the field. That's why the conversation matters, even regarding backups. And it all depends on whether or not you think Bryce is a legitimate number 1 starting QB moving forward. In 3 years, he's yet to put 2 full game, franchise QB performances back to back. For me, that's a huge red flag from a guy that we spent 2 1sts, 2 2nds and our WR1 to acquire. If the Panthers do feel he's the guy, I expect a 5 year 300m extension on the horizon following the draft. If not, then reason would dictate you keep looking for a staring caliber QB than bring in a backup with zero upside to be a 1 year backup. Teams don't make it to the playoffs consistently without a good QB. You may think Bryce is the guy. I don't. But either way, without better consistent performance from the QB position, an improved defense isn't going to carry a limp dick offense deep into the playoffs year in and year out much less make SB or NFCCG appearances and isn't that the ultimate goal?

I looked and couldn't find anything from front office and NFL execs crowning Morgan as one of the top GMs in the league. The only thing I could find was a player's grade "leaked" from the NFLPA. What's your source?

I said could, not would. I recognize he has potential based on past performance. Compared to what KP has done, Howell has more potential and the physical traits to make noise. KP has small hands and a weak arm. Not something you want in even your backup QB. I've been hammering since last off-season before we re-signed Dalton, improve the room. Other than getting younger, I don't see how anyone can say we legitimately improved the room or even tried. We might as well have signed Josh Rosen. Dalton is still on the roster for now. That's 3 QBs unless we trade or cut him. He's still Bryce's mentor after all. Do you believe we are going to draft someone with potential and give them a legitimate opportunity to develop from the practice squad? Are we going to carry 3 QBs on the active roster? 4 for a developmental rookie? Are we going to potentially cut KP if we draft a rookie and he's outperformed? Doubtful. Cutting Dalton(if we can't trade him) and KP would be 8m in wasted cap space. I chose Howell as an example because he showed promise in his only full season as a starter. You could plug in another name with the physical traits and potential and what i said would still apply. KP showed almost nothing and was benched. I genuinely don't care if it’s rookie pick as long as there is the potential to develop into a future NFL QB. As much as I can't stand him, Bellichek was always developing a number 2 QB even with the GOAT as his starter. The wisdom of that was evident when Cassell came in when Brady was hurt week 1 and went 11-5 and almost made the wildcard, which 11-5 gets you almost any other year. I give credit where it's due though. Cassel and Jimmy G both came into the league as developmental QBs, potential QB1s, and went on to have careers. You never know if you never try. KP feels like a punt in addressing the most important position on the field. Bryce has never played 2 full games of franchise QB level football back to back. If Bryce progresses, are you ready to offer a 280m 5 year extension based off a one hit wonder year? If Bryce regresses and we need a QB in 27, are we going to trade a fortune away again to trade up to 1 to get one? Are you ready to do the past 3 years all over again? To me, it's not about Kenny Pickett. It's about the move itself. It was a feeble attempt to improve the QB room. We better hope Bryce succeeds, because if he doesn't, we literally have no backup plan right now.

I guess a better question would be, if Jacoby Brisset was available and willing to sign here for the same amount as KP, do you think the Panthers would have signed him? 3366/23/8 94.1 QB rating in 25'. I don't, judging by the way the leadership has acted. Nothing they do says we're trying to get better. It all says we're trying to keep Bryce from feeling pressured. That's what I see and therein lies my problem.

The front office may think more of KP than Howell. The point wasn't that Howell was some sort of god on the football field. He's had a relatively good season once. That's potential. KP has thrown for 2500 and 2000 in back to back seasons and was benched in 23' That's not good. 13 TDs in 25 games in Pittsburgh as a starter. Howell had 3950/21/21 in a single season. I'm not proclaiming Howell is a franchise saver. I'm saying KP has never once achieved Bryce's best season and now he's his backup. This follows Dalton who was so terrible he should have been let walk last off-season but wasn't, again, no threat to Bryce. Jack Plummer, so bad in his 1st camp the Huddle wanted to chase him out of town, so he's brought back for a 2nd. If you can't recognize the pattern, that's on you. I'm not even saying I want Howell. I'm saying Pickett is so bad he could barely do in 2 years what Howell did in 1. We didn't aggressively make our QB room better. We made it worse.

Howell's only true starting season he was sacked 65 times, put up almost 4k yards, ran for 250 and 5 tds while throwing for 21/21. Lot of ints but he was also being asked to do a lot with lots of pressure and no RB help. I don't think it's even questionable to think he could come in and legitimately compete with Bryce right away.

Moton should be back in 27 just due to the guarantees. I can't see us cutting him and eating that cap hit. Trade might be a bit different, but how many teams trade for 20m tackles? I wouldn't be surprised to see us take 2 this year, 1 in the first and one in the 4th that has potential to play inside if they don't develop as quickly. Our line is awfully thin atm with the unknown injury Hunt got during the postseason. Even if Hunt's ok, we still lack depth. I could see is walking away from this draft with 2 tackles and a center, especially if we move down to pick up an extra 3rd or 4th.

You don't pay what we did to Pickett to compete for a backup roll. The job is his. Bryce is guaranteed starter. We may take a shot at a QB but it won't be anyone serious. Probably someone the same level as Plummer.

I said earlier I think we should have looked at Howell or Levis if he's released. Howell was not good in Washington as a starter but he was under constant pressure with zero running game. Levis, who knows. He has the tools but has been bone headed at times. Lance, maybe. He wasn't ready when he was drafted. I'd even go for a draft pick with tools over Pickett. Pickett is no threat to Bryce and that's what I believe was the entire point.

To sign a QB2 that isn't worse than Andy Dalton.

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Saw earlier they were looking to hang onto Brissett. He wasn't great, but he also had zero running game. I expect them to let him have a shot at the starting spot and see how it goes. If he busts out, they're looking for another QB next season.

The coaches and GM disagree. Well damn. A coach that got zero calls to coach for any other team and a GM that learned at the feet of one of the worst GMs in NFL history. Forgive me if I find their resume lacking. 3rd year starting QB that only eclipsed 3k yards on the last play of the season. He may be 24 but his extension is on the horizon. Bryce wouldn't have the unconditional QB1 spot on any other team with a competent GM. 1st round QB extensions come right about now. Are you willing to lock Bryce in at 50m a season for the next 5 years? If you aren't, you should be looking for plan B.