SmokinwithWilly

So do we think center is a need going into the draft next season yet?

Those first 2 weeks of training camp would be scary.

Art Monk wasnt the GOAT but he had a pretty amazing work ethic as well. I remember listening to some of his teammates talk about how relentless he was.

So if Bryce could have come to Carolina with the same advantages he had every year at Alabama he would have been successful. Good coaches. Top recruiting classes far better than the opposition. Defense able to bail him out if he has a bad game. Still doesnt change anything regarding footwork, mechanics, drop backs, reading the field, poor placement or any of the other myriad of issues that are still present in year 3. Bryce wasn't ready to be the day 1 starter. There's nothing wrong with that. Dalton was clearly the more capable QB, as evidenced by what happened in Seattle in the rain, under extreme pressure. Same players, same coach, same terrible offensive line. Two different offenses. When you look at Bryce and what he's done in game over the course of 3 years it's not pretty. He has moments of good, but there's been a lot more WTF. But saying Bryce would have been able to lead a team to the playoffs? Based on what we saw from him, he probably would have spent a good bit of year one on the bench holding a clipboard.

For me, it's because we needed a center, Frazier was sitting there, and we traded up for an injured RB that wasn't ready for TC as promised, or the season opener, then until mid season, then has another tear and is out all of year 2. Year 3 we hope he'll be back, but just judging by his history, that's no guarantee. We drafted Etienne so who knows if he's in the future plans or if he's just another Eric Shelton. With so many needs on this team, taking an injured RB was a luxury pick we didn't have the luxury to make. I have nothing against the guy, don't know him. Hope he does come back and can contribute. At this point, my angst is with the FO, not Brooks. It's just another one of those times when the lowly Huddle was right, again. It just gets old, and really seems to be a pattern under Tepper.

The situation here was the doing of David Tepper. Frank Reich didn't want Young, he wanted Stroud. Stroud fit his QB mold better than Young. So yeah, he didn't design an offense for him. He was lied to by his boss and he didn't want to be here. Would you? It sucks for Young, but as I said, that has nothing to do with his terrible footwork, poor mechanics, his shitty drop backs, fumble issues, not bothering to look off the Atlanta safety that turned into a pick 6 by his own admission. Those were all things that had nothing to do with Frank, the OL or the rest of the team. And Houston wasn't a complete team. They had the 2nd pick in the draft because they sucked. They built a team and had a damn good HC that I wanted here but he refused Tepper's interview. Young has been protected in ways no other QB has. Dalton has been kept because he has never been a threat to take the job from Young. We signed him to a 2 year deal this offseason when it was clearly evident we needed an upgrade. For 2m more per year we could have and should have looked at Brissett if we didn't go after Howell, Russell, Winston or anyone else. Anyone else other than Dalton would have been a serious risk to take Young's starting job. If Young hadn't been the 1st overall pick, and been a day 3 pick instead, he would have been cut as a rookie. If he were on any other team as a starter, this message board would be laughing like hell at whoever was starting him for 3 years. That's why this team gets murdered when Young doesn't play. He's been sheltered from ever having to worry about his job and the QB room proves it. I've been extremely critical of how this team has been constructed the past 3 years, especially on offense. But this whole narrative that Bryce has always been good enough and it's everyone else's fault that he's not succeeding isn't matching up to what he's been putting on the field week in and week out.

Kinda had to. Was in response to Bryce would have duplicated Stroud's rookie season if he hadn't been drafted here.

You can't say that with any certainty at all. Bryce played the worst football of any rookie ever. His mechanics and footwork have nothing to do with Frank, DC or anyone else. All those ints and fumbles, yep, those are Bryce too. Bryce and Stroud are 2 different QBs. Just because Bryce had one complete game in year 3 vs Atlanta doesnt mean he could have led a team to the playoffs his rookie year.

Ive only ever heard Cowturd say one intelligent thing in regards to football. Find your QB. Protect him Get him weapons. In that order. Everything else is pretty much bullshit.

I think the huge deciding factor is going to end up being whether or not we do a 5th year or if we offer an extension, and if we do an extension, what value will that extension carry. 45-50m AAV. I don't see how we can. A lesser value, maybe. It all depends on that number.

Frank's malpractice was he didn't want Bryce. Frank didn't get to choose his QB like he was told before he was hired. Tepper chose for him and Frank checked out. He didn't want to design an entirely new offensive system when he was lied to. He towed the company line and said what Dave wanted him to say, but his body language said it all. That's all speculation on my part but it makes perfect sense looking back.

This is what we have to know by the end of the season, playoffs be damned. If we offer a huge contract and Bryce turns back into a pumpkin, this franchise is set back another 4 years in our 7 year rebuild.

Its to the point now that it's better just to draft from wherever you're at for a QB unless it's moving a spot or 2. The price is too high to spend years developing and hoping when these guys aren't ready and are making almost or more in college as they would be in the NFL anyway.

Like I said in another post yesterday, the handling of the offensive line by Fitterer and mostly Morgan has been crazy. We've spent way too much money(Lewis and Hunt) to keep Bryce upright instead of using our picks in the 2nd round on JPJ and Frazier. Could have kept an injured Corbett at guard, Brady at swing, and still taken Maye as a backup, sorry Zavala. We wouldn't have taken XL, but XL hasn't been as advertised anyway, and Brooks hasn't contributed anything. Moton's extension with it's signing bonus made him uncutable. Icky's contract was due at the same time Bryce's 3rd year ended, and we all know it's extension or 5th year, and if we're going to do a 5th year, he's going to want the extension. To me the whole thing is just ridiculous. Right now, depending on if Tepper decides to keep Bryce, it feels like we're going to have to choose between Icky and a Bryce extension. Maybe he plays on the 5th year, but I think he'll want the big money guarantee. JMO, but if you took a look at how the contracts could potentially fall, the writing was on the wall that this could be a cash flow nightmare. Too many contract guarantees, not enough rookie contracts to offset the upcoming paydays.

Would you pay him 40-50m AAV based on half a season? We saw him improve last season then fall off a cliff to start the year. It's a conundrum for sure.