TonyN

I don't think any intelligent fan or NFL talent evaluator is "fixated" only on 40 times in the evaluation of receivers. That being said, everything else being equal, a wide-out who runs a 4.40 40 yard dash is almost certainly going to be a better player than a wide-out who runs a 4.55 40 yard dash. But the shuttle run and 3 cone are also important drills to determine real, usable "football speed". Track speed does not necessarily translate into football speed. The bottom line is that 40 times are simply a piece of the puzzle.

Don't forget about Wilson's 98.6 or Foles 94.2 or Kaepernick's 90.6 or Griffin's 90.6 or Bridgewater's 85.2 or Austin Davis' 85.1 all QB's with less experience than Newton and better/equal passing numbers. As far as Newton is concerned, I maintain what I have been saying about him for the last 2 1/2 seasons. He is a mediocre passer with good mobility. I stand by that assessment. I realize 3 1000 yard receivers and a top 10 rushing attack are not good enough weapons for Cam to put up big numbers---that's what the Panthers had in 2013...Cam just needed MORE "weapons" in order to finish above 16th in NFL passer rating...

Sorry, dude. I have been waiting 30 minutes for you to pull my cap gun out of your ass. I guess it must be stuck somewhere up there. Later.

Since you seem stifled, read this brief article. There are many more like it. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread141217/nfl-statistics-quarterbacks-devalued-era-favoring-offenses Did you know that of the top 50 completion percentage seasons of all -time, fully 37 of them have come in the 2000's? Golly, I had no idea Chad Pennington was better than Joe Namath !!!

I am fully aware of the changes in the NFL game which have essentially made statistical comparisons of quarterbacks who played even 6 or 7 years ago completely irrelevant to those of today's players. Ironically those same stats are what Camophiles hide behind in order to "prove" Newton's worth relative to the all time greats.. When Roger Staubach retired in 1979, his career passer rating of 83.4 was the best of all time. An 83.4 last season would have placed Staubach between Andy Dalton and Cam Newton at 27th in the NFL. Here is the reality: the statistics of today's players can only be accurately gauged by comparisons with their contemporaries. Newton's numbers of 2011 mean nothing in comparison with Marino's numbers from 1983 or even Manning's numbers from 1998. Get out a little. Look at Newton's numbers in comparison with Dalton. With Wilson. With Kaepernick. With Tannehill. With Luck. It's early yet, but look at Bridgewater... A strange thing starts to emerge: Cam Newton's career numbers are not that good. In fact, they are pedestrian in comparison with those of his contemporaries. Statistically, Cam Newton is a slightly less accurate Andy Dalton with better mobility.

Are you sure you want to go there? Over his last 4 starts in 2014, while playing against the 14th, 31st, 23rd and 32nd best defenses in the NFL, Newton completed 58.3% of his passes for 183 yards per game and a 87.4 passer rating while suffering only 6 sacks. Extrapolated to a full season, that would put him at 29th in completion percentage, 20th in passer rating, and 32nd in yards per game. Meanwhile, over the last 4 games of the season, the Carolina defense gave up an average of 10.75 points per game. Extrapolated to a full season, that would be number one in the NFL by a wide margin. Any questions as to what unit was responsible for the late season surge???

Miami offense vs. Carolina offense, a breakdown: Pass Blocking QB Sacks + hits Mia 144 Car 109 Significant edge, Panthers Run production from non-QB's: Mia 343 for 1561 4.6 avg Car 370 for 1497 4.0 avg Slight edge Mia # 1 Wide out: Mia Wallace: 67 catches 862 yards 12.9 avg (traded by Dolphins for a 5th round draft pick) Car Benjamin 73 catches 1008 yards 13.8 avg (would you trade Benjamin for a 5th? Me neither.) Big edge, Carolina Tight End Mia Clay + Hartline combined: 98 catches for 1079 yards 11.0 avg Car Olsen by himself: 84 catches 1008 yards 12.0 avg Huge edge, Carolina #2 Wide out Mia Landry 84 catches for 758 yards, 9.0 avg Car Cotchery 48 cathchesfor 580 yards, 12.1 avg Edge, Miami Quarterback: Tannehill 66.4% completions (5th NFL) 27 TD's, 12 Int, 253 ypg 92.8 NFL passer rating (14th NFL). Newton 58.5% completions (28th NFL) 18 TD's, 12 Int, 223 ypg 82.1 NFL passer rating (26th NFL). Now lets add their rushing stats for a total offense comparison: Tannehill, 272 yards per game Newton, 261 yards per game But here's the real point: No one believes Tannehill is the second coming of god or an elite QB. Most Miami fans are still on the fence as far as Tannehill goes. Maybe he is the answer, maybe not. Meanwhile, if in Carolina you happen to suggest Newton is exactly what his statistics say he is ( a mid-level QB), then you MUST be a racist with an agenda. Incidentally, Career NFL passer rating, Newton 85.4 Tannehill 84.0

The interesting thing is to look at Tannehill's numbers last season with a terrible roster... and compare them, not with Newton's horrible numbers last season, but with Newton's "magic" rookie season when he played with an absolutely loaded offensive roster (Smith, Lafell, Olsen, Shockey and two running backs who averaged 5.4 yards a carry)... Tannehill was better. And if you look around at what the talking heads are saying, almost every unbiased observer is saying that Tannehill is better. Now.

You have to blame Chud for two of those seasons, Tigger.

In 2013 we had 3 receivers who went for 1000 yards last year: Smith as the true number 1 for a very good Ravens team, LaFell as a hybrid 1/2 for the Super Bowl champion Patriots and Pro Bowl caliber tight end Greg Olsen. Throw speedster Ted Ginn into that mix and we had a damn good receiving corps in 2013.(Yes, yes, I know: Lafell was not good enough to make any NFL roster outside of Carolina, period, much less as a number 2 wideout. But I am sure JO JO would let some of you guys kiss his Super Bowl ring if you asked nicely). That 2013 team also had a productive DeAngelo Williams, Pro Bowl fullback Mike Tolbert and an offensive line ranked in the top 10 in virtually every metric imaginable. We finished 28th in passing offense and Cam Newton finished 15th in NFL passer rating. Behind Andy Dalton. Behind Alex Smith. Behind Jay Cutler. Behind Sam Bradford. Behind Colin Kaepernick. Behind Josh McCown. Behind Nick Foles. Those numbers had nothing to do with the Panthers' limited passing attempts...indeed, as a general rule, the fewer the attempts, the better a players' passer rating tends to be. The result of his first three seasons was that Cam Newton went into last season ranked as the 16th best QB in the league by NFL GM's and scouts. Why? Here are Cam Newton's finishes in NFL passer rating for his career: 2011: 15th 2012: 15th 2013: 16th 2014: 26th Yes, Newton can run, but the threat of the run should actually make him a MORE productive passer, not a less productive passer (see Kaepernick and Wilson for examples). This is a big season for Cam Newton. It is the reason he does not have a contract. He is not a "kid" anymore. He has started 65 NFL football games-4 complete seasons and has yet to put up a passer rating above 90, while being one of the least accurate passers in the NFL over that stretch. Carolina's pass protection last season was not nearly as poor as many try to make it out to be, but this has already been shown statistically. The bottom line is that Cam Newton's surrounding talent last season was better than several younger quarterbacks who out played him.

Actually, Harrison said: " It is time for the Carolina Panthers to switch quarterbacks". That was the quote.

Newton is a disaster under pressure...he had at least 5 seconds to throw the ball,,,baloney

Another great GIF opportunity...right into the officials back

The players lost this game.

Hey, nuthuggers, post a GIF of that one