CPantherKing

Ickey beat. Did he give up a sack?

Moton looking really good. Take him out of the game.

You did not pay attention on what Snow was doing and McDermott checked. Now the Bills are going to gun with blitzes and stunts in final preseason game while cut blocking all of our starters.

Now the Bills are going to unleash their blitzes and stunts thanks to Snow

Rhule and Snow getting out coached already

you got cut boy. Snow is dumb McDermott checking you

McDermott saw Snow running a stunt blitz in preseason to start the game. Called a timeout because he aint going to let Rhule slap him with disrespect in the preseason. McDermott about to run pick routes and cut blocks because of what Snow justr tried to do with the stunt blitz. Dumb coaches get checked by good coaches.

Too easy to stand Ickey up, get him to bend forward, and turn his hips and shoulders 90 degrees. No leverage on that kick step

Ickey beat again

WTH. This is what I said. You completely lose yourself in your typhoon of an argument. The only exception are coaches who lost in the 60s before modern day free agency and with a 33 round draft like Landry and Ewbank. The handful of coaches are Walsh, Vermeil, Carroll, Belichick, and Johnson. McCarthy, Payton, and Ditka were all 1st time HCs who had their team on contender level by year 2 and eventually won the SB. They were at contender level with winning seasons and then won the SB. You just supported my argument. You need to go back and reread my post. I've already quoted it for you once before. Ditka was a first time HC. Had 1 losing season. Was in contention for the SB by year 3. McCarthy won out of the gate as a first time HC, and had his team in contention by year 2. He had 1 losing season in his first 11 seasons and that was year 3 after going 13-3 in year 2. Payton was winning in his first season and in contention year 1. He had 1 losing season out of his first 7 seasons in year 2. An 8-8 season is not a losing season, especially when they turn their team into a contender in the first 3 years. You using that to support your point is ridiculous. At most, you can call that a mulligan season for a coach, and as long as they don't fall down to Rhule level losing seasons or never produce a playoff appearance, then they don't get fired. This never goes down as a losing season in the history books and you counting it as a losing season because it is not a winning season goes to show how desperate you are to prove a non-existent point to cya. The fact you are holding on to the thinnest straw and a few SB coaches to try to support having a losing coach with little to no hope of every turning it around with the Panthers is desperation. How many SB winning coaches has there been? So, you want to hang your hat on a single coach who started in the 60s like Chuck Noll? You have proven my point with your flip flop argument. If Rhule could produce 7 and 8 win seasons in his first 2 years, then he may be worth a 3rd if the season does not result in anything less than 9 wins. You are lucky to get 4 to 5 wins out of Rhule led team, and I'm not going to ever support 6 seasons of that before we hope for a winning season. History does not even support that. The SB winning type coach will always eat Rhule for lunch and his players will have to win in spite of him. Rhule is not even on the same level as Rick Kotite nevermind a Chuck Noll. I find it amusing that you have to pad and skew your argument to show there are more than a handful of coaches who lose 2 or more seasons to turn their team into a SB team or Dynasty. You pad with 3 coaches who started in the 60s (who I made note of in my original post) and toss in 3 coaches who won out of the gate and had their team as contenders as first time HCs (they did not have 2 losing seasons before they won and were in contention in the NFL). That leaves you with a list of 5 coaches. Thank you for doing some research and proving my point. Your padding and skewing is obvious. So, here is your hope. Rhule has put together a SB contender in year 3 and they will dominate the league with 10+ wins. I don't see it on paper and have yet to see it on the field in preseason. Here is to hope! Those handful of coaches had their HoF QB in year 1 btw. Walsh-Montana, Belichick-Brady, Johnson-Aikman, Vermeil-Warner, and Carroll-Wilson. You seriously think Rhule-Mayfield passes that eye test and will have HoF careers? A miracle Rams season was the Panthers only hope, and the front office screwed that Vermeil formula up in the offseason/draft. These coaches also had a top NFL level defense in place by year 3 that could produce turnovers and stop the run.

3rd world donations. Just like all the Bills SB Champion hats and shirts. I guess the same place all those 2003 and 2015 Panthers SB Champ gear went to. Somewhere in the world someone thinks the Panthers have won 2 SBs and is sporting a Sam Darnold jersey.

And the Panthers are now modeled after the Jets. Fitterer loves his Jets connections and mentors. "The former Jets general manager and longtime personnel executive is helping the Panthers as a part-time consultant this year, after Panthers GM Scott Fitterer sought his advice last fall during his first year in charge. "He's got such a wealth of experience; he's good for me," Fitterer said. "He's got a lot of great relationships around the league, he's a hard worker. And just a light-hearted guy. He's one of the leaders of our group. I reached out to him on several different situations; he's helped me a lot."

@poundaway That is verbatim. Now read again. I highlighted the subject for you. Do your own research. Quiz: Who is "them" referring to? Do you see anything about SB contenders in there as the subject? Looking forward to your next CYA post

And you realize you completely missed that this was about SB winning coaches having the team that hired them in place to be contenders or win the SB by year 3. No one wants to be runner-up in the SB and never win it. They cry for a reason after they lose. No one wants to simply be a contender. No one wants a 6 year loser who hangs his hat on a SB loss in year 7. You don't get to change my premise and then state the facts don't match your premise in support of runner-up being a pinnacle you want to achieve. I didn't do research on SB losers who never return to win a SB. Feel free to see how many coaches get to the SB after losing for more than 3 seasons with the team that hired them. I'm sure the top of your head will be wrong on them too.

This was about coaches who won the SB with the team that hired them. Not losers who came up short. Zac Taylor has not won a SB with the Bengals. Kyle Shanahan has not won a SB for the 49ers. Ron Rivera did not win a SB for the Panthers. If Taylor and Shanahan were to win the SB, then they would still follow this steady pattern of coaches who win SB because they both turned their teams into contenders by year 3. The goal is finding, paying, and retaining the champion. Not overpaying for a runner-up or loser. Carroll and Belichick are 2 of the handful. I wouldn't trust the top of your head. Do some research if you want to refute the facts. You think Shanahan had the 49ers in the SB twice in the past 7 seasons? You're incorrect on Belichick being in the SB 4 times in the past 7 seasons. Don't trust the top of your head. It's not meant to include coaches on their second stint. Unless you're a Rhule fan wanting him to use the Panthers as a stepping stone and find another team he leads to a SB when he actually gets it right and doesn't use a 7 year plan. Do you think Browns fans are thrilled Belichick finally figured it out 5 years later with the Patriots? No. Do you think Panthers fans will talk about how great Rhule was after he is fired and possibly leads another NFC team to the SB? No. Coaches who lose don't win a SB because losing doesn't get you the Lombardi. Losing doesn't build a championship culture. Nevermind they have to beat the actual SB winning coaches who win out of the gate with the team that hired them. Also, Ron Rivera, Zac Taylor, and Kyle Shanahan had their teams winning in the playoffs by their 3rd year. Who are all these SB winning coaches you believe exist that lost in multiple seasons with a previous team? You can go back over the past 3 decades. You'll find 1 coach. Coaches always get fired when they lose. Especially, the SB losing coaches who produce a single losing season after reaching the big game and losing. So, why keep a 6 year loser because he says he will have you winning in year 7 (when he has never completed 7 years with any team).

Did you know that most coaches who have won the SB had a winning record in year 1? Did you know just a handful of them had 2 losing seasons before they were SB contenders or won the SB? Did you know that no HC since the 60s has had more than 2 losing seasons before leading their team to SB contention and an eventual SB championship? Do you believe Rhule is the exception with a 7 year plan? So, is your goal to win a SB under the HC the Panthers hire or something else? Rhule should have never been hired when he proposed to be the first coach to lead a team to the ultimate goal with a 7 year plan. That tells you he has no idea how SB champion coaches have been made.

Who doesn't struggle as a HC? Any of the coaches who led the team that hired them to a SB championship since the 70s. That's not hate. Rhule just can't get it done in the NFL and doesn't have an NFL SB Championship plan. This is not the 1960s where you ride a coach for several losing seasons without free agency and a 33 round NFL draft until they have the team they need to win. It just take some fans longer to realize coaches, players, and GMs don't have what it takes to be a champion. The champions climb to the top quickly and don't give it up easily.

I made a point Beane was the future and should be the one to replace Hurney. Told again by the typical crew how wrong I was and how much better Gettleman was for the Panthers future. I obviously had zero clue on Beane's trajectory in the NFL. I knew Gettleman was a path to missed opportunity and a long winter for the Panthers, and once again history proves me correct.

Panthers have the Bengals OL of 2020. Panthers don't have a Chase type WR in the clutch. Baker is no where near Burrow when it comes to GWD ability. Panthers defense doesn't have proven defenders who can produce turnovers. Far from a Bengals 2021 or either Panthers SB losing teams. Why would we even hope to be SB losers? SB and dynasty is always the goal, or don't bother showing up on game day imo. We are hoping for a Rams 1999 miracle season. The pieces were out there to make this a possibility, but the front office missed the target in the offseason/draft. Approaching this season like it is anything less than a SB champion or bust season for Rhule was their first mistake. Allowing Rhule a 7 year plan and to existing a perpetual rebuilding season for 3 years is a problem.

So you think Ickey is Sewell level rookie quality? OT pass blocking 1 sack all season level in his rookie season? Stop comparing them. Ickey is already behind Sewell at this point last year. You sound like the the Butler defenders talking about how he can keep up with Aaron Donald and we need to be patient. Move Ickey to guard and be done with it. Panthers will be set at LG for a while.

Who called him a bust? He is not a good LT. I see him as a PB OG who the Panthers failed to assess properly and drafted too high. Some team will move him to OG if it isn't the Panthers because he won't be worth the 6th pick used on him or a veteran LT contract. The Panthers will still need to find a LT who can protect the QB.

How many sacks did Sewell have in his rookie preseason? For someone who likes facts, you made your own facts and didn't read. I was comparing preseasons. Sewell worked RT in training camp. Moved to LT in preseason due to an injury/concerns of the starting LT before the week 1 opener. That would be preseason. You like facts, but don't go by facts.

Hands low and wide. Ineffective punch. Target for long pass rushers, speed rushers, and tacticians. No balance and leverage in pass sets. Plays high. High hips. Centers weight over toes. This will lead to him adjusting slowly to stunts and getting turned opening an easy lane to the QB. In pass blocking you will also see him get over aggressive with a punch when he is desperate and feels like he is beat. This will lead to him over extending and lunging. He is known for even leaving his feet during this punch in pass sets. His kick slide is going to be tested often. He kicks 2 yards in 3 kicks instead of 3 yards consistently and this will lead to him trying to beat the snap against speed rushers. He consistently gets turned 90 degrees on the finish of his 2nd kick step at less than 2 yards deep. I'm expecting several false starts against the competition he will be facing. He has already done this a few times in 2 preseasons games. Officials are letting calls like this go in the preseason. As for the tape, I am not putting this together for you. Do your own homework and take notes. Btw, Sewell did not struggle with this technique on the right side. He quickly got better on the left side while he was there in an emergency for some games. Sewell's struggle was retraining muscle memory from right to left side. here is some video for you to look at besides taking notes on the actual game. Watch the better kick step and technique from BC next to him. This is the norm for Ekwonu. Not the exception. Watch his pass pro reps. He struggles bad with play action and 3 step drops. I am not looking forward to seeing him with 5 and 7 step drops against the level of talent he is going to face.

Fact: Sewell did not struggle at RT. His position he had been working on in the offseason/training camp. He struggled at LT until the starting LT could get back and went back to RT. He was made to adjust on the spot and still only allowed 1 sack. Facts. Fact. Ickey has been spending his time at LT and struggles greatly with his pass blocking. He can't say he had to adjust on the spot to a new position like Sewell. Sewell faced a greater challenge and performed better than Ickey. You can't compare them. Facts Even the Facts you applaud from @ForJimmy pointed out this fact you both overlooked. So, looking at all the facts and knowing what actually happened is not what you applaud as facts. You applaud half truths. Comparing Ickey to Sewell in their rookie years is like comparing Brown to Donald in their rookie years.

Sewell gave up one sack and played both LT and RT last season. Not sure how you compare that to a LT like Ickey who is very rough as a pass blocker. I wish Ickey had Sewell's pass blocking technique. Sewell gave up 1 sack in his rookie preseason. How you keep comparing them makes no sense. Ickey is no where near Sewell as a rookie. You may as well be comparing Aaron Donald struggling and developing as a rookie to Vernon Butler/Derek Brown as rookies.