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Josh Vann > Jonathan Mingo Bumper Pool > DJ Johnson Nico Bolden > Jammie Robinson UDFAs the Panthers signed are better than the players they drafted. Who is running this comedy of errors?

Looks like Reich, Evero, and Brown are banging their heads on the table as they sit next to a smiling Fitterer.

Fitterer has gone full Gettleman mode, but instead of going with freakishly big players, Fitt goes with the swiss army knife project players. No need to use the draft to build a team. 5 picks a year and trading away 1st round picks during year 1 of a rebuild will lead to a dynasty. No windows for players or coaches here.

Maybe he'll play TE on 3rd down offense, Edge on 3rd down defense, and special teams. Who thought this was a good pick in the 3rd round with several impact players still on the board?

No he is not. He is not a high character player and tends to be a hot head with little to no playmaking impact. JAG with potential that only a select few believe they can develop. He should have been a 5th round development player at best. This FO with FItt is the same. They continue to trade up for developmental players they have no intention of using as impact players and reach with 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for players that will not be key players to win a championship. The Panthers continue to give away draft capital to other teams. Wasted championship level draft capital on QB after QB, and now this waste of draft capital. So much for the high character BS from the organization.

A reach in the early second round, but a decent WR. Not a #1. Maybe a #2. Won't be one of the top WRs from this draft, but he will have a long career. One of the few WRs in this draft that lines up with what Reich wants in his WRs.

Killed for years by Brees? He went to 3 championship games in his career. He didn't do anything until his 30s with 1 playoff win. He capitalized when the Panthers were rebuilding. He didn't win against Delhomme or Cam. He went 16-11 as a Saint against the Panthers. He was 1-5 until 2009. He was 3-5 against the Panthers from 2012 to 2016. Bryce Young does the same and the Panthers will have 1 playoff win in the next 9 seasons until Young has mastered the game at his size. Then the winning starts when the rest of the division is having problems. Maybe 1 SB in 2 decades. Is that what you wanted? Bryce Young doesn't get past his rookie contract if he struggles like Brees did in his 20s. I hope that isn't the case and Tepper's reinvention of the QB position in the NFL works. We know his last fringe experiment was a flop.

There have been 79 championship QBs in the NFL since 1981. 10 of them are 3rd round picks and only 29 3rd round QBs have been given an opportunity to lead a franchise (34.5%). 40.7% of 1st round QBs who have received an opportunity to lead a franchise have joined this championship game club since the 80s. So, most 1st round picks don't succeed either, and they have the expectation of succeeding. For comparison, 6th round to undrafted QBs who have been given a chance to lead a franchise have made it to the championship club 18.9% of the time. If you just focus on successful franchise QBs who were able to get a team to commit to them for at least 2 seasons, then 50.6 of 1st round QBs, 58.8% of 3rd round QBs and 30.4% of 6th round to undrafted QBs get to championship status. So, if a team were to commit to Matt Corral for 2 seasons, there is a high probability he will get to the playoffs, a higher probability he would get to a championship game compared to 1st round picks, and an even higher probability he would get to a SB faster than a 1st round pick. Now, if your question is about 1st rounders being given franchise opportunities at a greater rate than 3rd round picks, you would be correct. You can't factor in QBs who are never given a scarce franchise opportunity when measuring success or ability. There will always be more QBs available to draft in a single season than there are franchise QB opportunities, and there will always be the Bart Starr, Johnny Unitas, Roger Staubach, Mark Rypien, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, and Brad Johnson QBs that are never realized as the Justin Fields, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, David Klingler, Rick Mirer, Jeff George, Tim Couch, David Carr, Sam Bradford, and Jameis Winston QBs consume and waste these franchise opportunities at insanely increasing rates over the past 15 seasons.

You need to go over the list of 1st round QBs over the past 10 to 15 seasons and see where they rank in playoff wins. Only 3 to 4 with the return to call them a successful pick. Only 17 1st round QBs in 57 drafts that have returned that value. 3 QBs worth a 1st round pick on average per decade. 30 QBs selected in the 1st round in the past decade. So many 1st round pick QBs in the NFL now, and they still can't dominate the conference championships or win more than 1 playoff game. Always the Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, Tom Brady, Nick Foles, Jimmy G, Drew Brees, Case Keenum, Russell Wilson, and Colin Kaepernick at QB who are going to beat those 1st round QBs over the next decade to take their spot among NFL QB champions.

This is draft talk. Nothing to do with the success of 1st round QBs. The Texans just took the draft spotlight away from the Panthers and Young was the point. I already put out my view on how overrated the QBs are in this draft. They would have never fallen to the 2nd round, but I would have considered drafting them in the 2nd round. There is no QB in this draft who should have been taken in the 1st round. I didn't think Cam Newton should have been taken in the 1st round and I was right. I expect multiple conference championship appearances and at least 5 to 9 career playoff wins from a 1st round QB. I require 10 years and 1 SB championship from a successful 1st round QB. Otherwise, they were worth no more than a 2nd round pick. If you have lower standards for using a 1st round pick on a QB and wasting draft capital to build a roster, be my guest and enjoy a few playoff wins a QB who lasts no more than 8 seasons and maybe one SB loss.

Yes. It has has happened multiple times.

Texans won with CJ Stroud and Will Anderson. Like getting Cam Newton and Luke Kuechly in the same draft. Carolina is now a draft afterthought. Talk will all be about Texans now.

I enjoy seeing them on the phone talking to the team. Why did the NFL not allow that to be televised?

Not cutting to Bryce Young?

Tepper got what he wanted but he is not talking to Bryce?

They clapped but not talking to Bryce on phone?

On the phone with who? Not Bryce

Bryce is frustrated on TV

Bryce is not on the phone...

Panthers have yet to call any player. Who are they talking to???

The winning play is to trade down and not draft a QB in the 1st round. Teams should commit to any QB with college success to avoid the issue of not being able to settle on a franchise QB. Surprisingly, only 27 QBs who entered the NFL since 2010 have won a playoff game. Of those, 15 are 1st round QBs, with only 1 out of every 3 winning a playoff game. In contrast, 1 out of every 2 non-1st round QBs that teams commit to will win in the playoffs as their leader. Since 2010, 28% of non-1st round QBs have been successful when committed to by a team, compared to 19% of 1st round QBs on a championship level. The top 2 playoff-winning QBs are not 1st round picks, with 9 of the 23 active QBs with playoff wins not being 1st round picks. While all 32 teams will have a 1st round QB available to them, players like Brock Purdy, Jalen Hurts, Jimmy G, Russell Wilson, Nick Foles, and Tom Brady will continue to win and be at the top of the NFL. The last time all 4 championship spots were held by 1st round QBs was in 2010, and it is unlikely to happen again even with the influx of 1st round QBs. When a team commits to any QB, 85% go on to the playoffs with 8 of 10 1st round QBs and 9 of 10 6th round to undrafted QBs being able to achieve the playoffs. Teams should focus on committing to QBs with college success and avoid being overly reliant on 1st round picks.

Wanted the Barber brothers in the 1997 draft and I want the Brown brothers in the 2023 draft. I didn't get what I wanted in 1997 and likely am not going to get what I want in 2023. I'm sure the Brown brothers will also go on to be SB champion brothers. If you don't know who I'm talking about, then... and

Glad Charlie Jones is on the radar. He will have NFL success as another overlooked WR.

Colts GM likes to bet his houses?

Let everyone dive into the over valued QBs for another year. Question should be about what do you want from a QB? Playoffs? Playoff wins? Conference championship? SB championship? Dynasty QB? Then look at round value of QBs for each category when given a franchise opportunity. If they are never given an opportunity to lead a franchise, you can't consider them. There will always be QBs capable of winning a SB and being a dynasty QB that never realize it because teams choose to never give them an opportunity. Now, look at elements of QB longevity if you want a dynasty QB. If there are flags on a QB that may lead to their longevity or SB potential from being compromised, you let another team take the long shot and waste draft capital. QBs like Drew Brees, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young, and Russell Wilson should never be drafted in the 1st. If they fall to the 2nd or 3rd round and everything else pointed to them being a 1st round pick, then draft them and commit to them for several years while you get immediate impact players in the 1st round. Parcells knows the probability and risk. He knows the value of wasting 1st round value. The data has shown that the dramatic increase of 1st round QBs selected in the past 15 seasons has not led to a significant return of NFL championship success for the teams investing in rookie QBs.