CPantherKing

Lamar Jackson, CMC, Jahmyr Gibbs, Garrett Wilson, DJ Moore, Adam Thielen, Michael Mayer, Jake Ferguson & Darnell Washington were there for the taking. Just had to trade Brian Burns for the picks needed to get Lamar & pass on Ekwonu as a project LT. I got slammed for projecting Lamar as the most likely QB to be primed for a SB per data. I was told CMC needed to be traded. I was told a project LT was more important than another playmaking WR. All I heard was the Panthers must draft a QB #1 to be a champion & it was worth giving everything up for Young. I was told Brian Burns would be a playmaker & was more important. Fitterer failed!

Packers go up 30-16 in 4Q & begin to run clock on defense with prevent. Young goes 13/17 for 2 TDs & 177 yards. Young was 10/18 for 0 TDs & 135 yards for the first 3 quarters. Young had 13 seconds on the clock for his last play with 0 timeouts. He held in pocket for 3 seconds & threw the ball over the middle for a 22 yard gain that took 3 seconds to complete the catch after the throw. The entire offense had 5 seconds to sprint & set for a spike. It takes at least 3 seconds to run 20 yards for the average lineman. This leaves 2 seconds on the clock for a spike. It takes 16 seconds to run a play & a spike. This question on a test must be known by every coach & QB. If you don't have at least 3 seconds on the clock from when the ball is spotted, the spike will not happen. Tabor & Young failed on this management. This will seperate champions from teams that stay home for the playoffs. The correct decision with 13 seconds on the clock was 2 quick sideline throws for 10-15 yard routes & a final Hail Mary if not in FG range. A QB padding his stats against a prevent down by 2 scores in the 4Q & flunking the final drive test is never impressive. It's not a sign of a championship caliber QB. The expectation for Young in an NFL game would be Young from the first 3 quarters with his lack of clutch management from the 4th quarter. You have to throw out garbage/prevent stats at the end of game. It's the decisions, clock management & consistent clutch throws that matter at 4Q comeback time for an NFL QB. Investing another 2 years in a QB like Young losing with his occasional well timed highlight pass against prevent is where this is headed.

Care to tell me the top 3 things that any QB should not do in the last minute of a 1 score game while trailing & facing a prevent defense with 0 timeouts? We all know the answer.

Wilks & Darnold were better than Tabor & Young in the same situation. Tabor mismanaged the clock in 4Q. Young knew he had to go for the sideline & was baited to throw deep over the middle to run clock. He took the easy throw the Packers wanted him to throw. This is what makes the difference between a team that can produce NFL GWD & the teams that need a coach/QB at a championship level. Going to lose 97% of the time with coaching & passing decisions like that in the 4Q when trailing in 1 score games. We all know this & would be slamming Kerry Collins, Steve Beuerlein, Jake Delhomme & Cam Newton for the same decisions on good teams. Bridgewater, Darnold & Mayfield were called out for coming up short like Young did & throwing deep over the middle with no timeouts against a prevent. What is different here? Seems like desperation for some hope among losing expectations.

Anyone have the split of Bryce in the first 3 quarters and then the last 10 minutes after the Packers went up 30-16?

It was a Packers inexperienced secondary with a rookie starting. They gave up the underneath all day long. Receivers were open most every play.

Success against an umbrella zone D while trailing? That's not anything to hang your hat on. Especially against a bad defensive team starting a rookie DB for the first time this season. Anthony Johnson should have been abused all game.

Young, Hubbard, Tremble, Thielen, Chark & Smith-Marsette are definitely among the best in the NFL among offenses. Championship material. ... if champions didn't have to produce GWD with clutch consistency. How many GWD opportunities are you going to give an NFL QB before you realize they just can't do it? 5, 15, 45?

Can he play QB?

How is Bryce Young overthrowing WRs worse than Cam Newton?

Panthers will only need 10 FGs to win this game. EASY!

Joe Flacco & Nick Foles could have completed that pass to Thielen

If only WRs could get open for Young... Or maybe they are & it's not the WRs

That's why the Panthers spend all the draft capital & free agency on passing offense. Paying off for the past 3 years. All according to plan!

Playing Steve Wilks ball. Could have done this with Darnold

That was an awful duck. Good job Mingo

Young still coming up empty on clutch downs? Another 4Q GWD opportunity & it doesn't look like Young really wants to take a game over when he's needed by his team to carry a close game on the line.

Teppers, Belichick & Saban all hanging out in the owners box acting as Co-GMs with Bill O'Brien as HC. Teppers going to hand them some minority ownership. Bryce Young as their 20 year franchise QB taking them into their 90s. This is the future of the Panthers in a few years.

Laiatu Latu, Jer'Zhan Newton, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. The one that falls out of 1st. Too early. Still building final lists/boards.

It's way too early, but for some fun why not. Go after a few winning free agents to bring some anticipation back. Bring back a couple vet players from Panthers past for depth & leadership. Trade down & trade some players to get 12 to 15 draft picks. Load up on players with NFL pedigree who will be ready mentally & fundamentally for the NFL (especially WRs who can learn quickly from Thielen). QB competition all season long. QB WHO WINS IN THE CLUTCH (4Q/RED ZONE) STAYS IN! Tag & trade Burns Trade Miles Sanders, TMJ, Chuba Hubbard, Ian Thomas, Tommy Tremble, Xavier Woods, DJ Johnson for whatever is given in draft picks. New contract for Chinn QB Bryce Young (because you made me), Aqeel Glass, Jack Coan, Sam Hartman(R), Taulia Tagovailoa(R) RB Donovan Edwards(R), Ameer Abdullah(FA), Ezra Gray WR Adam Thielen, Moose Muhammad III(R), Oronde Gadsen Jr(R), Jonathan Mingo, Luke McCaffrey(R), Jequez Ezzard, Sage Surratt, Dee Anderson, Josh Vann TE Ben Sinnott(R), Zach Kuntz, Bryson Nesbit(R) LT: LaDarius Henderson(R) LG: Ikem Ekwonu OC: Bradley Bozeman RG: Brady Christensen RT: Taylor Moton. OL Austin Corbett, Cade Mays, Roger Rosengarten(R) 35 Defense... DL: Derrick Brown, Christian Wilkins(FA), Jer'Zhan Newton(R), Kris Jenkins Jr(R), Shy Tuttle LB: Shaq Thompson, Jeremy Chinn, Frankie Luvu, AJ Klein(FA), David Mayo(FA) EDGE: Laiatu Latu(R), Bralen Trice(R), Adisa Isaac(R), Amare Barno CB: Jaycee Horn, Stephon Gilmore(FA) Donte Jackson, Troy Hill, Storm Duck(R) S: Von Bell, Sam Franklin, Miles Killebrew(FA), Malachi Moore(R) K: Pineiro P: Hekker LS: Jensen Returners: Vann, Ezzard, Abdullah, Gray Have fun with it...

Should have traded CMC, DJ, 2023 9th pick, 2024 1st pick & 2025 33rd pick for DeVito instead of Young

There are more QBs not in the NFL that are better than Young

Why is Danny Devito's kid better than Bryce Young?

After reading many of these posts, I believe many people are not wanting to account for everything that was given up for Bryce Young. He is the most expensive & costly trade in NFL history. CMC, DJ Moore, Jalen Carter, #1 2024 pick (Caleb Williams), #33 2nd round pick (call it a late 1st round value). That's a bust that will always equal 5 1st round picks (including 3 top 10 picks). Use the draft chart to calculate this and you get picks 1, 8, 9, 28 & 33 for 3000, 1400, 1350, 660 & 580 respectively. A total of 6990. Sean Gilbert was a bust value of 2900. Ricky Williams was a bust value of 4469. Herschel Walker was a bust value of 6969. You could trade an entire 2 drafts (14 picks) while holding a top 3 pick from every round & it would be the same as the Bryce Young trade. It's really that bad.

Sam Hartman is a better option at QB than Bryce Young