CPantherKing

Panthers really want to be known for having the roster with the most failed first round draft picks. Your 1st round busts belong to us!

So, no QB who can produce GWD, no WR who can come up clutch and break a game open, no dependable TE, no reliable RB to rotate in for CMC, no solution at LT, no solution at C, Michael Jordan continuing to fail as a starter at guard, a DL that can't stop the run, only 1 LB worth starting, no LBs who can fill holes, Chinn out of position, unreliable SS, the hope squad at CB, not a single draft pick is standing out, no one is good at blitzing the QB, and not a single defender who has proven they can produce turnovers and threaten an offense. Positives: CMC is a go to threat, DJ Moore can show flashes when covered one on one, lots of good coverage options on defense, and one top pass rusher. Looks like an easy week for opposing coaches to game plan. Focus defense on CMC, role coverage to DJ, and load up on runs and screens to Brian Burns side. Challenge everyone not named CMC or DJ to beat them one on one, and make the Panthers prove they can consistently stop the run and the screen passes with negative yardage plays or turnovers. Save the big offensive plays and playbook if the game is close in the late 3rd quarter and the opposing team is trailing. Otherwise just play field position for 3 quarters. That will about sum up the season with what the Panthers have put together with the offseason, draft, and camp. Maybe 4 wins this year I'd go to 7 wins if CMC stays healthy and has a record breaking year.

So, we are already seeing how poorly the Panthers addressed the team in the offseason and draft. I wasn't expecting things to surface this early. I thought week 4 would be the point we saw how bad the Panthers actually did compared to the rest of the league and what was available to them.

7 GWD in 59 starts with 30 losses. That is 37 chances to show his worth in the NFL - a conversion rate of 18.9%. The defense and running game of the Browns anchored 37.3% of the wins. Absent the QB, a bad team converts 40% of the wins, an average team coverts 50% and a good team converts 60%. QBs on a bad team should be converting GWDs 40% of the time if they are good. Good QBs on a good team convert 30% GWD. Mayfield was on a bad Browns team and converted less than 20%. This is a metric that translates consistently from college to the NFL, and QBs will not exceed their college GWD conversion rate in the NFL. Good QBs that can be a factor in the playoffs do not have seasons where they produce 0 GWD... ever. A team would never miss on drafting a QB like Tom Brady, Matt Hasselbeck, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Josh Allen and Desmond Ridder if they paid closer attention to this metric. You'd also avoid many of the QB busts too while hitting more in the mid rounds. You're not going to find QB busts that kept rattling off GWD in college, and you'd root out the Mayfields that are carried to wins by their elite college defenses and running game.

In the NFL, if your QB can't produce game winning drives, your defense can't produce turnovers, your receivers can't come up clutch on 3rd down/redzone, and your running game can't control the clock and can't maintain a lead for more than one quarter, then you have no chance. Without CMC, the Panthers do not have any other players who can check off any of these boxes.

Tepper is wrong! He made his billions off of swooping in to profit on pain, misery, and destruction for pennies on the dollar. He is the furthest from a builder and innovator you will find in the business world. Tepper = The Destroyer of Worlds

We don't talk about the drops in training camp. We wait until gameday to realize WRs hands rarely if ever improve after 4 seasons in the pros, and a QBs ability to produce game winning drives in the pros does not improve from their college years.

Then you consider the number of targets he has needed to get those yards. Puts him near the bottom of the league. WRs make their money on 3rd down, in the end zone, and producing GWD receptions. Yards are meaningless when a player gets all the touches/targets. That goes for any position. A WR could have an 80 yard reception every game putting the team in FG range and do nothing to win a game. Are you going to celebrate that? A RB could average 3 yards a carry and get 1200 yards in a season. Are you going to celebrate that RB as a 1000 yard rusher?

Baker Mayfield > one of the most ineffective starting QBs in the NFL when it comes to producing game winning drives. DJ Moore > one of the most ineffective starting WRs in the NFL when it comes to producing game winning drives. Here's to hoping the Panthers defense is so good they can keep a team from getting the lead to start the game and maintain the lead for the most if not all of the games this season. If the Panthers are wanting their offense to be at the top of the NFL in GWD, then they failed at finding the QBs and WRs who can achieve this feat. All hope for the offense will be on CMC staying healthy and maintaining drives and leads for the offense in close games.

It's all about timing and individual management. A team of precrasitinators won't win you a championship. A team of procrastinators won't win you a championship. A good manager can find the balance for optimal performance and schedule accordingly so everyone will always be on time. The Yerkes-Dodson Law applies when it comes to optimal performance and setting deadlines and starting gates with this law to optimize performance with the expectation that you want a majority of your team showing up exactly on time or a little late, but not too late... and definitely not early. This will optimize performance and create a non-linear approach to the groups problem solving over a 3 hour period of time. If you want robots on an assembly line, then just load up on precrastinators. If you want high performance and outside the box thinking with risk taking and timing at it's most optimal levels, then you slightly favor procrastination, punish extreme procrastination, and devalue precrastination. Reward the ones that are the closest to being on time without being early. Think of it as a Goldilocks Zone. I expect many old schoolers, boomers, and good soldiers to disagree with this 100% of the time.

Still waiting for a QB that can produce GWD. 2

Delhomme earned his spot with the comeback win against the Jaguars in his first game as a Panther week 1 of 2003. Delhomme had 8 GWD in his first season with the Panthers while directing them to the SB. With the exception of 2007 early season injury, Delhomme had multiple GWDs every year - including his season with the Browns. The Panthers have not had a game winning drive against a good team since week 4 of 2019 with Kyle Allen as the starter. Mayfield's last GWD against a good team came in week 10 of 2019. Mayfield and Darnold have already proven to be lesser QBs than Delhomme as a starter. They have both had multiple double digit start seasons without multiple GWDs. Both have also registered seasons with double digit starts and not a single GWD. You know what to expect out of Mayfield and Darnold. If the Panthers do not have a running game and defense that can keep a lead and dominate for 12+ wins, then these QBs are not doing anything to propel a team into the playoffs. You can forget about a playoff win.

Great! Now, the Panthers have 2 of the worst QBs in the league when it comes to leading a game winning drive. Little to no chance to make the playoffs with QBs like that to bail out a mediocre defense when they give up the lead. The Panthers have a project QB that will see little to no time under center and a team that does not believe he is good enough to start for a team with little to no hope at the playoffs. A lame duck coach that gaslights an owner who has zero clue on what makes for a winning organization. A new coach incoming in 2023 with all 3 QBs not wearing a Panthers uniform by 2024. Tired of giving up all this draft capital for players once thought of as a gem that turned out to be poo with no proof of metrics necessary for a successful NFL QB. They love to think they can take the poo and polish it up. The coaching staff and front office have shown zero success in spotting players who can become franchise gems. Panthers are on a mission to stock up on the most overrated 1st round picks and losses.

While I agree with you, now is the time to sit back and relax. Enjoy the calm before the storm. Views were shared and then team decisions were made. I would enjoy a good ride into September before all the Panthers' offseason decisions show themselves as the best separate from the rest. I gladly want to be wrong, because the Panthers once again did not go the way I wanted them to go. 2015 was the last offseason the Panthers remotely came close to what I targeted in the offseason. Packers, Chiefs, and Ravens front offices have been the teams closest to aligning with my offseason decisions over the past 5 seasons. Expecting the Jags to make a dramatic turn this season ala the Bengals.

Carries would go to JStew (1), Cam(2), CMC (3) and Tolbert (4). Replacing Fozzy and CAP. Targets go to Olsen (1), CMC (2), DJ (3), Ginn (4), Cotchery (5), Dickson (6), Tolbert (7), Stewart (8). Replacing Philly, Funchess, Bersin, and CAP. Moton replaces Remmers. Chinn replaces Harper. Shaq was a starter. As for Burns, he would have been #4 under Jared Allen, Charles Johnson, and Mario Addison. CMC, DJ, Moton, Chinn, and Shaq are the only 5 players that could improve the 2015 team.

Matt Rhule celebrated this hard for the Sam Darnold trade too. Celebrates even harder for every Baylor player he drafts.

Wanted Derek Carr and Jarvis Landry instead of KB and Kony Ealy. Yeah I know the Panthers had Cam, but a valuable backup for a few seasons before you choose to trade one of the QBs is my strategy of choice. Aaron Rodgers makes a lot of WRs look better than they are.

I agree with you, but I think the Panthers have chosen to hope for a miracle season from Corral. Darnold 5 wins, Corral 6 wins, Jimmy G 9 wins Defense is worse than most people think. They did not make the needed improvements to keep from giving up leads in the second half. I expect the defense to only keep teams at or below 21 points in 7 games.

Ray Lewis and Luke Kuechly are 2 LBs I had at #1 for the Panthers to draft. Always thought Lewis next to Mills with Salt and Pepper coming off the edge would have made for an amazing 1996 defense. Lewis gets the nod for success and career. I'd take Kuechly over Lewis to build a 43 defense around. A 34 defense with both of them would have been one I'd really want to see.

Coastal Carolina? Lol. I'd hitch the team to Sam Hartman as a shot in the dark before that, and Hartman is not at the top of my 2023 list.

That is all you want from your 1st round QB? Fine? QBs like Marino, Newton, and Rivers are great to watch, but they don't lead a team to a championship. I don't want a QB who wins best in show. I want a QB who wins the race. Brady over Marino. Wilson over Newton. Brees over Vick. Flacco over Rivers. Foles over Bradford. Successful franchise QBs win a SB in 2 to 5 years after they are drafted. Successful vet QBs win a SB with a new team in 1 to 3 years. 1 year and 10 year QBs with a team winning a SB are the outliers. All 3 of them turned out to be worth a QB you could get with a 3rd round pick and the franchise rode them into oblivion for more than 5 seasons. Makes it easier to move on from a failed QB pick. I just wish they didn't waste 2 picks on Corral.

Is it any surprise Corral didn't prepare or didn't care about preparing for the Wonderlic or Combine? I'm sure he enjoyed the parties and alcohol though. I warned you all. The Panthers wasted next years 3rd and this years 4th on him. At least the Panthers didn't waste the 6th pick on him and make him the next Ryan Leaf. Ryan Leaf/Jeff George in Sam Bradfords body incoming. Corral is really good at excuses, but this is Teppers guy via his Steelers buddy Bret Michaels.

Have the Panthers finally found a #1 WR? Oh no. It's just Robby going into the NFL protection program.

The 2022 draft had 3 QBs who will make their way into a franchise QB position for the next 10 to 20 seasons. The 2023 draft has 1 QB who will be a franchise QB for 5 to 10 years.

Also, my off ball 1st round LBs I wanted since I have been a Panthers fan... Derrick Brooks, Brian Urlacher, Thomas Davis, and Shaq Thompson. Turns out 2 are in the Hall of Fame and 2 were Panthers LBs. Consider that 3 of the 4 have been defensive leaders for SB defenses. Now, I add Devin Lloyd to that list. Other LBs I would have drafted in the 1st round are Ray Lewis, Lavar Arrington, Terrell Suggs, Shawne Merriman, Derrick Johnson, Jon Beason, Von Miller, Luke Kuechly, Khalil Mack, and TJ Watt. I would have traded down for Lloyd, but I would not have missed out on drafting him as a championship franchise leader and playmaker. I won't just take any LB in the 1st round. Thompson is my worst 1st round LB grade. All of these LBs are better than any franchise 1st round OT with success. Always take these kind of LBs in the 1st round and opt for an OT later in the draft if there are any worth starting as a possible franchise OT. 2022 was a rare draft loaded with OT talent all the way to the 7th round.