CPantherKing

Yes. Friday after 4 is when all this mess will be settled. Texans just using Falcons like they used the Browns and Eagles. Tepper isn't flinching and giving the Texans their ask.

If Watson didn't want to be with either the Saints or Panthers he would have closed the door on them like he did Browns, Seahawks, and Eagles. That is all the power his camp has. If he hasn't closed the door on your team, he wants to be there. He had no benefit on leveraging a team he wants to go to. His contract is set. Watson wants to be close to family in Georgia and South Carolina. The Texans are the ones that get to pull the trigger on a trade, have interest in leveraging teams, and are steering this ship. Texans can rule out any team. Texans know Watson's #1 is Atlanta. It would have already been worked on and done if the Texans wanted Ryan to be in the QB mix. Issue here is Texans don't want Ryan with Titans or Colts, and Falcons don't want Ryan with Bucs (pre Brady), Saints, or Panthers. Those would happen to be the top landing spots for Ryan. So, why would the Texans toss the Falcons in late? Watson wasn't holding them back, the Texans were. This comes down to what the Texans want from Watson's agreed upon destinations. The fact that there is little talk with the Panthers now while not being ruled out by the Texans or Watson is the most telling. If Watson wanted to force a team friendly deal for the Falcons, he would close the door on the Panthers. The Texans are running this circus, and the Falcons are their least favorable trade partner for compensation and fallout with Ryan landing in the AFC South. So, why toss them in late when you knew that Watson/Falcons was the obvious attraction? Falcons were always #1 on Watson's destination list. The longer this draws out, the more likely Watson goes to Carolina. Remember, I don't want Watson. I'd rather face Watson than Ryan twice a year.

They tried. Watson won't meet with them. He doesn't want to be that far away from Mama Watson in Georgia.

I think major free agents are waiting for the QB storm to settle. Teams with their QBs in place have a strong head start. Commies and Broncos might take advantage of this insanity.

Finale on Friday. Just another day of Texans stirring the pot and blowing up QB relationships with other NFL teams like Browns-Mayfield and Falcons-Ryan. What other teams fracture their QB relationship today by seeing Watson on the side? Cowboys-Prescott? Eagles-Hurts? Bears-Fields? Cardinals-Murray? 49ers-Garoppolo/Lance? Lions-Goff? Watson the franchisewrecker!

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He has never played a full season (ACL/Bicep problems). Teams didn't want him on their opening day roster following the ACL injury. Brought in off the street mid season as an emergency/temporary RB for the Titans last season. Practice squad hero. Colts and Falcons tossed him. For a big back he doesn't have much power and gets taken off his feet easily. Stumbles and falls down often. Poor balance. Seems to want to avoid contact. Slow. Doesn't bring the same push he did before the ACL injury. Needs a strong interior OL that can open holes. Looks more like a good undersized TE/H-back. Good hands and great in the open field. A one and done player if he doesn't get cut in the preseason or tossed out during the season. Could be an ask by Watson. He wasn't receiving any offers. He has never been offered more than $1M for a season. Panthers overpaid for a practice squad player.

How many losses with Watson at QB before people can flame this move? 5 losses in a row? 10 losses on the season? He has had 1 winning streak and 3 losing streaks in his career to this point. I think people are falling in love with the Watson fantasy and do not realize how little he has accomplished and how close he is to the end of his career. His play style ends at 30 and not 40. He will have to develop into a pocket passer to have success into his 30s. Imagine getting a 27 year old lesser accomplished version of Cam Newton. Getting 1 or 2 more good seasons and then the QB talk begins again. Watson has a very small window to win with. I hope I'm wrong and he is at least as good as Aaron Rodgers until he is 40.

Too small? Do you know how big Corbett is? Panthers won with him at guard. Panthers got destroyed with him at center. He is an unathletic waist bender who gets bull rushed into the QB at center.

Elflein is horrible at center. If he is there, everything falls apart. Hoping they are going with... BC(LT)-Elflein(LG)-Linderbaum(C)-Corbett(RG)-Moton(RT) Elflein is still a liability at guard, but the OL can win with him at guard or draft one of many guards who will be an improvement. Keeping Elflein and then signing Corbett is extremely confusing. Why put a good guard next to a weak center?

Looks like Tepper is giving control of the offense to DeShaun Watson and his agent if he agrees to be a Panther. Rhule and Fitt must be happy with this lol. Are there any Texans players he wants coming over with him? This will be good. Expecting a total poo show with all the tension in the organization, but it will be a very entertaining poo show.

This defense was great when they were aggressive and attacked the passer Horrible in containing the run Horrible in stopping the run up the middle Horrible in defending a lead Horrible in defending the underneath pass Horrible in defending the seams Horrible in stopping an offense on 3rd down Horrible in forcing turnovers We have seen the Panthers field a college one trick pony defense. Teams would just let the Panthers coaches think they were in control since they would slow the game down and keep it close for 3 quarters. Then the opposing team would open up and take control with a few drives remaining in the game. Rhule and company never adjusted to this. I doubt they figured out what they were doing and how easy they made it for seasoned coaches to take advantage of their game plans and out coach them at the end of the game.

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Brady still winning championships by not running or taking hits. Watson has 3 seasons before his body gives out and he starts taking longer to heal. Watson will be done just like Cam while Brady is still contending for championships. Oh well. Let Rhule have half a season to find his Tom Brady, and then can him. No 1st round pick, no trading away the franchise. Find the QB with a 3rd to 6th round pick, or be a real genius and find them ovelooked in free agency or on the street. Don't kill this franchise for Rhules ego.

I could build a better OL with 3 draft picks to fill out the interior OL. Tom, Kinnard, Wohlabaugh, Linderbaum, Steuber, McKethan, Jurgens, Wattenberg, Strange, Vrabel or Rivas. Pick any 3. Improved. I'm good with Moton and BC at tackles as long as there is a quick and intelligent center leading/making calls and a quality athletic guard next to BC.

First, the Seahawks were not a patient rebuild. They lost patience with Holmgren/Hasselbeck. Dumped Holmgren after 1 bad season after having success but coming up short for 5 straight seasons. Brought in Jim Mora and dumped him in 1 season. Went to Carroll and pressured him to win. He was on the hot seat after 3 QBs in 2 seasons and saved himself with Wilson winning quickly when Matt Flynn was brought in to lead the team. Then winning a SB in Carroll's 4th season. This was not patience at all. It was win now or you're out. Second, the Chiefs were giving their coaches 3 seasons to win. Edwards out in 3 seasons, Haley out in 2.5 seasons, Crennel out in 1.5 seasons. Reid came in and won immediately like he did in Philadelphia. He did it with Alex Smith in year 1. So, because there was immediate winning he got 4 years. Ownership and the front office were still not happy and they were going to put Reid on the hot seat if he did not find a new QB and move on from Smith. Hunt, Dorsey, and Veach had to light a fire under Reid to move the franchise from contender to champion. They did not want a 10 year situation with Alex Smith the way Reid carried on with McNabb. Reid was pushed to make this change after his 4th year with the Chiefs (and he was winning with Alex Smith). Neither of these franchise case studies show any form of a long and patient rebuild. It was win now and win big or you're out! No patience and move on from a QB who keeps coming up short. Third, Foles, Wilson, Brady, Flacco, Manning, Mahomes, and Stafford over the past 10 years. Mahomes and Flacco are the only 1st round QBs who have won the SB with the team that drafted them over the last 10 years. There are 3 teams who won a SB with a QB they drafted in the 3rd/6th round. Burrow didn't win a SB and that will likely be his one and only shot. The lesson is, don't draft a QB in the first round and think you're going to win a SB with them. Better chance at drafting a mid round QB and building a defense with those 1st round picks, or trading for a proven 1st round QB and giving them full control after you've built a team they feel they can win a championship with as their unquestioned leader. I wish people would stop fantasizing about the 1st round rookie franchise QB who will take them all the way and give them a dynasty. The last 9 dynasties are Chiefs with Mahomes, Patriots with Brady, Seahawks with Wilson, Steelers with Roethlisberger, Rams with Warner, Broncos with Elway, Packers with Favre, Cowboys with Aikman, and 49ers with Montana. All of these dynasties were winning consistently and in the playoffs by their 3rd season. All had good championship minded head coaches that could roster build and prepare their teams well. Walsh, Johnson, Belichick and Holmgren found their QB from the start. Vermeil lucked into his QB in his lame duck season. Carroll and Reeves spotted their QB while on the hot seat in their 3rd season. Reid and Cowher were winning out the gate, but tied themselves to QBs that couldn't get it done and had to be persuaded by ownership/gm to move on from Alex Smith/Kordell Stewart or the team. None of these coaches or franchises were patient. Just a couple stubborn coaches that were winning from year one regardless of their QB. 6th rounder in Brady, Undrafted with Warner, 1 pick away from being a 4th rounder in Montana, 3rd round pick in Wilson, 2nd rounder in Favre, and 1st rounders in Aikman/Elway/Roethlisberger/Mahomes We can all agree Aikman, Elway, and Roethlisberger rank below Brady, Montana, and Warner. Aikman had a consistent dynasty with little impact as QB, Elway was on the verge of a decade long failed dynasty, and Roethlisberger's dynasty was consistently up and down. We can keep going back too with the Redskins-Theismann, Steelers-Bradshaw, Cowboys-Staubach, Dolphins-Griese, Colts-Unitas, and Packers-Starr. So, 5 of 15 QBs from NFL dynasties were drafted in the 1st round by the team they led. Only 1 of these 1st round QBs carried their teams to success - Mahomes. Compare that to 8 of the QBs not taken in the 1st round carrying their teams to successful dynasties.

This is a front office play to break a division rival for the next decade. The Bucs won't get into the bidding war, and the Saints just want to drive the price up. Dennis Allen knows how to take advantage of Watson's greedy decision making/passing. Looks like the Panthers are going to trade away their next decade for a lame duck coach and an unproven/overrated QB the future HC will be tied to. If Watson is committed to winning, he'll insist on keeping the offensive weapons around him. Not sure how a Watson-Rhule marriage will play out. Seems like they would butt heads a lot, and Rhule doesn't like to be questioned while Watson plays by his own rules and questions his coaches.

Well the interior OL going to be garbage again. An unathletic waste bender who takes poor angles and can only block for 2 seconds. I can list 10 OLs from the draft that can play center and would be a dramatic improvement. Linderbaum, Lindstrom, Tom, Wohlabaugh, Wattenberg, Jurgens, Strange, Fortner, Rivas, and Johnson. This front office has some serious problems when it comes to evaluation and roster building.

Junior college coaches won't be attending. It's for middle school coaches. Junior college coaches are overqualified for this seminar. Have you seen the lineup? lol Looks to me like this is for Rhule's future as a college coach. He wants to get in good with middle school and high school coaches so he can recruit with the best of them. Need those Florida boys to fill out a college roster. You think he would be focused on building a pro team going into the draft and not greasing the wheel for his college career. Then again it is Matt Rhule, so no surprise there. Do you think Tepper knows about this? Fhuled by Rhule again!

So, you can't give me a single game to watch him throw open receivers consistently? Did you watch the entire film analysis? If you did, I'm sure you caught the part where he points out they had to throw ONE bad pass in the analysis? That alone red flags the analysis. It's clear he is fan boying about Carson Strong, and claiming his bad decisions are amazing throws. I run from strong arm fan boys' analysis of a QB. The best coaches in the NFL even point this out in books about arm strength being a huge problem with the draft/combine process. Lance Zierlein has Strong graded lower than Jack Coan. He refers to Coan as a back up/possible starter. He only refers to Strong as a back-up. While I'm not a fan of Zierlein, he does agree with me on many of the negatives surrounding Strong in his scouting report. He believes Coan will go 4th round while Strong goes 2nd round and may sneak into the 1st. This is what happens when personnel execs fall in love with strong arms QBs. They reach for them, even with 2 bum knees.

I hear Watson has a thing for cavity searches. This is going to be the end of Watson. He'll need a thick skin with the defensive smack talk he's going to get submitted to for the rest of his career. He better cover his rear if he wants to come back to an NFL team.

It's college. The strong arm QBs can force balls in at that level. Coverage is much tighter at the NFL level and you can 3x his ints if he keeps making those throws. As for him throwing open receivers, please reference the game he regularly does this. I see that a majority of his throws are behind the receiver, underthrown, wobblers, or floaters. He has no touch. His receivers need to constantly adjust to his throws, and it is obvious they recruited receivers with a large catch radius because of his inaccuracy. He gets his receivers killed often. He is at the bottom of the top 15 when it comes to throwing a WR open. This was even more obvious in the Senior Bowl.

Roll with Darnold and heavily invest in the D to make it the best in the NFL. I'm ok with that. Move offensive pieces like CMC, DJ Moore, and Robby Anderson and stock that D. I'm hoping for the miracle season approach by rolling the dice on an unknown QB who will stare down the blitz, and give him one season to prove he deserves to stay. Go pass heavy by drafting a rookie WR with the 6th pick to feature with CMC, Abdullah, Moore, Anderson, and Zylstra. Spread the ball around and don't let CMC carry the load. Use CMC like a Marshall Faulk or Ladanian Tomlinson. The Panthers are set up offensively to do this. Unfortunately, I think Rhule and Fitt are going to treat the season like a 3rd act of building a team like it's Rhule's first season. Disaster with a lame duck coach.

I like how they celebrate the play at 17:00 and never mention everything wrong with that play you never want to see him do in the NFL. Stares down WR. Forces ball in to double coverage, which turns into triple coverage since he never looks off DBs. Shows no patience or fluid progressions. He misses big on the correct defensive read with the X on the go route. You never want to see a QB in the NFL ever make that pass with their back against the endzone. He consistently throws behind the WR and makes bad decisions. Every game he plays in I feel for the pain he puts his receivers through. Too many hospital balls. Looks defeated often during the season and his reactions toward his receivers is Cutleresque. His highlight throws in this Kansas State game are absolutely the type of passes/decisions you do not want to see him make in the NFL. I didn't want Kerry Collins or Jay Cutler. I do not want Carson Strong. Stop making me go back and cringe at his games because you love a strong arm lol. I think I missed something, and then I'm reminded this is a disaster of a QB come the playoffs when you actually need your QB to perform and come up clutch. They win this game, but the QB play is ugly. He is not getting away with this on the NFL level, and he will give the game away making decisions late in games like he does against Cal. He put a couple receivers in the hospital with these throws. No touch. I'd rather have Josh Rosen, and I don't want Josh Rosen.

You do not need a great QB to get to the playoffs. History has proven this. You need a strong running game/short yardage passing game and OL to get through the season. You need a great defense to win a championship. The QB is the supercharger that gets you through the playoffs when a team matchups evenly with their running game and defense. The QB does not get you to the playoffs. At most, they will have 3 to 5 game winning drives in a season, and average QBs have 2 game winning drives in the season. Great QBs like Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Joe Montana, and Johnny Unitas have game winning drives every season. Watson has had 0 game winning drives in 2 of his 4 seasons. That is not great. He is 7-13 in games he has passed for more than 300 yards. The 7 wins were against teams that are not very impressive (Lions, Jags, 2020 Pats, Falcons, Colts). For comparison, Aaron Rodgers is 48-21 in games he throws for 300+ yards, and Peyton Manning is 61-32 in games he has thrown for 300+ yards. Cam Newton is 8-14 in games he has passed for 300+ yards. Which QB is he more like? Cam or Rodgers? Cam and Watson are good - not great. Watson will disappoint if you think he is going to win against the great QBs in the playoffs. Watson, like Cam, needs a good defense and solid OL to win. People are falling in love with the Watson fantasy. Go watch his games and not just his highlights. He struggles to compete against the good QBs in his own division. Luck, Rivers and Tannehill have winning records against Watson. Watson racked up his wins against Bortles, Minshew, Brissett, and Mariota. That's how he stacks up in his own division. Does he have a winning record against any good QB in the NFL he has faced at least 2 times? You can go look. The answer is NO. Against teams he has faced at least 2 times, Watson has a winning record against the Browns and the Jaguars. If the Panthers get tied to him for the next 5+ seasons, I hope you are right and he starts showing some success. Seems that his track record makes him look extremely overrated and that DCs who prepare for Watson figure him out. The 2019 Panthers without Cam shut him down. Kuechly had Watson figured out quickly.