CPantherKing

Still waiting for a QB that can produce GWD. 2

Delhomme earned his spot with the comeback win against the Jaguars in his first game as a Panther week 1 of 2003. Delhomme had 8 GWD in his first season with the Panthers while directing them to the SB. With the exception of 2007 early season injury, Delhomme had multiple GWDs every year - including his season with the Browns. The Panthers have not had a game winning drive against a good team since week 4 of 2019 with Kyle Allen as the starter. Mayfield's last GWD against a good team came in week 10 of 2019. Mayfield and Darnold have already proven to be lesser QBs than Delhomme as a starter. They have both had multiple double digit start seasons without multiple GWDs. Both have also registered seasons with double digit starts and not a single GWD. You know what to expect out of Mayfield and Darnold. If the Panthers do not have a running game and defense that can keep a lead and dominate for 12+ wins, then these QBs are not doing anything to propel a team into the playoffs. You can forget about a playoff win.

Great! Now, the Panthers have 2 of the worst QBs in the league when it comes to leading a game winning drive. Little to no chance to make the playoffs with QBs like that to bail out a mediocre defense when they give up the lead. The Panthers have a project QB that will see little to no time under center and a team that does not believe he is good enough to start for a team with little to no hope at the playoffs. A lame duck coach that gaslights an owner who has zero clue on what makes for a winning organization. A new coach incoming in 2023 with all 3 QBs not wearing a Panthers uniform by 2024. Tired of giving up all this draft capital for players once thought of as a gem that turned out to be poo with no proof of metrics necessary for a successful NFL QB. They love to think they can take the poo and polish it up. The coaching staff and front office have shown zero success in spotting players who can become franchise gems. Panthers are on a mission to stock up on the most overrated 1st round picks and losses.

While I agree with you, now is the time to sit back and relax. Enjoy the calm before the storm. Views were shared and then team decisions were made. I would enjoy a good ride into September before all the Panthers' offseason decisions show themselves as the best separate from the rest. I gladly want to be wrong, because the Panthers once again did not go the way I wanted them to go. 2015 was the last offseason the Panthers remotely came close to what I targeted in the offseason. Packers, Chiefs, and Ravens front offices have been the teams closest to aligning with my offseason decisions over the past 5 seasons. Expecting the Jags to make a dramatic turn this season ala the Bengals.

Carries would go to JStew (1), Cam(2), CMC (3) and Tolbert (4). Replacing Fozzy and CAP. Targets go to Olsen (1), CMC (2), DJ (3), Ginn (4), Cotchery (5), Dickson (6), Tolbert (7), Stewart (8). Replacing Philly, Funchess, Bersin, and CAP. Moton replaces Remmers. Chinn replaces Harper. Shaq was a starter. As for Burns, he would have been #4 under Jared Allen, Charles Johnson, and Mario Addison. CMC, DJ, Moton, Chinn, and Shaq are the only 5 players that could improve the 2015 team.

Matt Rhule celebrated this hard for the Sam Darnold trade too. Celebrates even harder for every Baylor player he drafts.

Wanted Derek Carr and Jarvis Landry instead of KB and Kony Ealy. Yeah I know the Panthers had Cam, but a valuable backup for a few seasons before you choose to trade one of the QBs is my strategy of choice. Aaron Rodgers makes a lot of WRs look better than they are.

I agree with you, but I think the Panthers have chosen to hope for a miracle season from Corral. Darnold 5 wins, Corral 6 wins, Jimmy G 9 wins Defense is worse than most people think. They did not make the needed improvements to keep from giving up leads in the second half. I expect the defense to only keep teams at or below 21 points in 7 games.

Ray Lewis and Luke Kuechly are 2 LBs I had at #1 for the Panthers to draft. Always thought Lewis next to Mills with Salt and Pepper coming off the edge would have made for an amazing 1996 defense. Lewis gets the nod for success and career. I'd take Kuechly over Lewis to build a 43 defense around. A 34 defense with both of them would have been one I'd really want to see.

Coastal Carolina? Lol. I'd hitch the team to Sam Hartman as a shot in the dark before that, and Hartman is not at the top of my 2023 list.

That is all you want from your 1st round QB? Fine? QBs like Marino, Newton, and Rivers are great to watch, but they don't lead a team to a championship. I don't want a QB who wins best in show. I want a QB who wins the race. Brady over Marino. Wilson over Newton. Brees over Vick. Flacco over Rivers. Foles over Bradford. Successful franchise QBs win a SB in 2 to 5 years after they are drafted. Successful vet QBs win a SB with a new team in 1 to 3 years. 1 year and 10 year QBs with a team winning a SB are the outliers. All 3 of them turned out to be worth a QB you could get with a 3rd round pick and the franchise rode them into oblivion for more than 5 seasons. Makes it easier to move on from a failed QB pick. I just wish they didn't waste 2 picks on Corral.

Is it any surprise Corral didn't prepare or didn't care about preparing for the Wonderlic or Combine? I'm sure he enjoyed the parties and alcohol though. I warned you all. The Panthers wasted next years 3rd and this years 4th on him. At least the Panthers didn't waste the 6th pick on him and make him the next Ryan Leaf. Ryan Leaf/Jeff George in Sam Bradfords body incoming. Corral is really good at excuses, but this is Teppers guy via his Steelers buddy Bret Michaels.

Have the Panthers finally found a #1 WR? Oh no. It's just Robby going into the NFL protection program.

The 2022 draft had 3 QBs who will make their way into a franchise QB position for the next 10 to 20 seasons. The 2023 draft has 1 QB who will be a franchise QB for 5 to 10 years.

Also, my off ball 1st round LBs I wanted since I have been a Panthers fan... Derrick Brooks, Brian Urlacher, Thomas Davis, and Shaq Thompson. Turns out 2 are in the Hall of Fame and 2 were Panthers LBs. Consider that 3 of the 4 have been defensive leaders for SB defenses. Now, I add Devin Lloyd to that list. Other LBs I would have drafted in the 1st round are Ray Lewis, Lavar Arrington, Terrell Suggs, Shawne Merriman, Derrick Johnson, Jon Beason, Von Miller, Luke Kuechly, Khalil Mack, and TJ Watt. I would have traded down for Lloyd, but I would not have missed out on drafting him as a championship franchise leader and playmaker. I won't just take any LB in the 1st round. Thompson is my worst 1st round LB grade. All of these LBs are better than any franchise 1st round OT with success. Always take these kind of LBs in the 1st round and opt for an OT later in the draft if there are any worth starting as a possible franchise OT. 2022 was a rare draft loaded with OT talent all the way to the 7th round.

Like my choices of David Bakhtiari, Terron Armstead, La'el Collins, Trey Smith, Jon Runyan, David Edwards, Orlando Brown Jr, Billy Turner? Those are the OTs I wanted over the past 10 seasons in mid to late rounds. Only 2 OTs I wanted that did not make it in the past 10 seasons. The Green Bay Packers and Kansas City Chiefs front office consistently line up with my OT evaluation. I'm not the scouting department that pumps Cade Mays, Dennis Daley, Deonte Brown, and Brady Christensen. Christensen is the only one I kept on my list as a possible 6th or 7th round pick but considered him a career reserve OL. The problem is not mid to late round OTs. The problem is the front office that evaluates them and keeps them on a list/board of players to draft. I evaluated Ekwonu as a bust at OT and possible franchise OG. I hope I am wrong. The only tackles the Panthers have ever taken that were on my list are Jordan Gross, Travelle Wharton, and Norberto Davidds-Garrido.

If Corral does not beat out Darnold to start week 1, then Corral can expect to be replaced by Bryce Young next year. Corral has no other option than to start and win in 2022.

Panthers fans are going to be disappointed. Need MLB and depth at a few positions. Panthers most valuable pick up available in the draft with the greatest impact was Devin Lloyd. Considerable drop off after him. Could have gotten Darian Kinnard, Zach Tom, Daniel Faalele, or Bernhard Raimann for OT. Could have gotten a number of mid to late round QBs who will produce as well If not better than Corral. Panthers also need several championship level leaders. CMC, Shaq, and Chinn as the only capable leaders is not enough. Jamming Moton and Burns into captain patches doesn't make them champion level leaders. Missing the foundation of true leadership will always lead to struggles and missed playoffs.

Nick Foles is a successful and proven QB. The issue is QBs like Nick Foles, Joe Montana, Jimmy Garoppolo, and Tom Brady are not QBs anyone wants until they have at least 3 rings on their fingers. The flash and cash crew would rather have an exciting QB that can't produce game winning drives when the defense, playmakers, and coaching fail to do their job.

The elite 11 is known for finding journeyman QBs or complete busts. The success rate is extremely low, but for some reason GMs and scouts keep going back to Dilfer for QBs. The young QBs from the elite 11 in the NFL now tend to stick around for 5 years like a Darnold or Rosen. Fields is going through the ringer in Chicago now. I'm sure he will receive the Darnold treatment when Chicago gives up on him in a couple seasons. You have a better shot at finding an undrafted QB to take you to the SB since 1999 than an Elite 11 QB.

Rhule will have to be really good. The rest of the NFC South is outperforming the Panthers front office in roster building. Panthers have the weakest roster. Hate it, but it's the truth. I also consider Rhule, McAdoo, and Snow as the weakest group of coaches in the NFC South. If you took Mariota, Glass, and Dalton, you would have a better QB room than Darnold, Corral, and Walker.

They picked up Kaleb Eleby. Expect him to compete with Drew Lock. They comp Eleby to Russell Wilson. This draft will have late rounders and undrafted QBs outperforming the top media hyped combine QBs. Another interesting battle to watch is Kenny Pickett v Chris Oladokun. Steelers drafted 2 QBs. As for the undrafted QBs, you will have Jack Coan developing under Matt Ryan and Aqeel Glass developing under Tom Brady. Cole Kelley is in camp with Wentz, Heinicke and Howell. I would not be the least bit surprised if Kelley ends up being the better QB out of that camp and ends up with the Saints if Washington does not keep him on the roster. The Saints had their eye on Glass and Kelley and ended up empty in the rush for the undrafted QBs. Reminding me of the 1994 QB class. Shuler, Dilfer, Nussmeier, Miller, and Klein were the overhyped combine QB bunch. When the lights came on and games mattered Gus Frerotte and Glenn Foley were the ones who took the field on game day that were drafted in the late rounds. Dilfer struggled with the Bucs. The successful QBs from the 1994 draft did not hear their name called in the draft and now we remember their success more than any of the drafted QBs - Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, and Jay Fiedler. Expect the 2022 late round and undrafted QBs to have more success than Pickett, Willis, Corral, and Howell.

Ekwonu wasn't invited? If Pickett were the 1st round pick, no doubt in my mind Rhule and Tepper would have paraded him out there. Corral is probably off to the side since Ekwonu didn't get an invite.

Saints wanted Aqeel Glass. Thought they had him locked and in comes Tom Brady and the Bucs to give him a better offer. Glass is the one QB who had to take time to weigh his options before signing. Saints, Rams, and Bucs were among a handful of teams who wanted him in their camp. My top 2 QBs since Mahomes are now in the NFC South with Ridder and Glass. I hope I'm wrong on Glass because it appears the GOAT will be training the QB I believe is the next GOAT, and Ridder isn't far behind. Hate to think I'm going to have to watch Glass and Ridder battle it out for the next 2 decades to win SBs while Rhule continues to build that decade long foundation.

You start the QB that gives you the best chance to win. If that ends up being Darnold after a full camp, then you should consider Corral worse and no better than a career backup. A franchise QB will grab that starting spot and never give it up.