AceBoogie

Because paying a guy 20 million to play for you when he doesn't want to is a great investment

I'm going to attempt to reach some middle ground with you. Most of the time in those situations, the tag is just an extension of the negotiations. Players don't just get tagged to trap players in a situation they don't want to be in. I agree that the goal is to keep Cam at all costs, but you can't get blindsided. I'd rather trade Cam than tag him and let him walk after a deal can't be reached.

One of Cam's biggest mentors is Michael Jordan, who didn't make his money through contracts. He made it with endorsements, that came from winning. Tiger Woods is still the highest paid player in golf and he sucks, but he built the biggest brand in golf. How many athletes have clothing lines? Cam is about his brand

I'm not saying don't tag Cam. I am saying don't tag Cam if he's going to walk anyway. You have to lock him down so it doesn't come to the tag. If you have to tag your QB its not a good sign. You guys like to point out the saints, well there you go. Only two reasons why you would have to tag Cam. He wants more money than you can afford, or he doesn't want to play here. Neither are good.

I'd tell you that his father is a liar, and a smart man. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Common sense ain't so common.

What did tagging Hardy do for us? Didn't you disagree with the move? Probably because you actually agree that tagging a player that will be gone the following year is a dumb way to spend cap space. funny how you agree with me and don't even realize it.

I haven't personally talked to Cam and thats all I'm going to say about that. So know you don't have to take what I'm saying as facts. Call it theories, projections, whatever. I can tell you that Cam wants to be here because he's built his brand here, he wants to be that guy that brings a Super Bowl to charlotte. That's the competitor in him. But Cam wants to be an iconic sports figure. That's his number one goal, and he knows it takes Super Bowls to ge there. He's not chasing contractual money, he wants the type of money that's going to keep coming long after he's done playing football. And he can only get that by winning consistently. So you can write it down, screenshot it, whatever you want to do. If Cameron Newton does not feel like he can win here, he is going to leave. No amount of money will keep him. I went a little strong in saying he will leave, but don't think its not an option at this point. And Andrew Luck absolutely dodged the panthers, come on bro you know that. We declared him out pick and he went back to school. He risked getting drafted by the Browns, or the Raiders. That's how bad he didn't want to play here.

Don't trust the sources close to Cam? You're thinking like a Panthers fan. Think like Cam

Ask Dan Gilbert if he ever thought Lebron was going to leave. If Cam wasn't at least considering leaving, they'd be working hard on a deal right now. The Panthers made an initial offer of a long-term contract to Newton before last season, although those negotiations did not progress far. Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article10900505.html#storylink=cpy "The goal is for Cam to win in Charlotte,” one person close to Newton said. “If it was only about money and stats, he’d be more critical and animated about what’s happening. Everyone sees what’s on the field. He’s talking about how he has to be better.” "There have been questions inside and outside the organization about Gettleman’s offseason handling of the offensive line and whether Newton has enough in front of him to be successful." "Newton’s situation is similar in some respects to what defensive end Julius Peppers faced after the 2009 season. The Panthers were ready to make Peppers one of the highest-paid defensive players in the NFL, but Peppers resisted a long-term deal and the franchise tag in large part because he felt the team wasn’t built for success." Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article9235631.html#storylink=cpy So yes he wants to be here, but only if he feels like he can win here. Andrew Luck didn't.

Well I guess we all see how that played out

It's been several clues over the last few years that has led me to believe that Cam is at least considering leaving. My name ain't AceBoogie for no reason, I pay a lot of attention to Mr. Newton. If I could play a tape of his press conferences over the years you will notice how his answers have slightly changed when asked about playing here long term. When a player starts throwing around the "it's a business" line you'd better start paying attention. Cam is human, he's not a panther fan he just plays for the Panthers because we drafted him. Of course he wants to be here, because he's established his brand here. But he also knows that his brand will fade if he doesn't start making some deep playoff runs. The moment Cam feels like he can't win here, he will be gone. He's stated before one of his biggest problems is trusting his teammates to make plays. If he doesn't believe the team in place around him is going to win a Super Bowl he will leave. Cam sees players like Andrew Luck and talent he's surrounded with. The cap doesn't matter to him because he can sign with a team in a better position to build around him. I think when people here talk about Cam they speak through the mind of a Panthers fan. Cam isn't a panthers fan I cant say that enough. Truth be told, he probably hated us growing up. Entertainer and Icon, he looks up to guys like Lebron James. That's who he wants to be and if he doesn't feel like he can be that with the panthers, then you're going to see him take his talents elsewhere.

Signed his deal before the season I believe

The point of the tag is to give you extra time for both sides to work out a deal. If a guy flat out wants to walk, let him walk. Better yet trade him and get something for him. What QB has ever played a season under the tag? Don't worry I'll wait...

On a critical play in the game, he can't be the guy. It can't happen, and it doesn't happen if you have more talent at the position. Should have ran the ball if the other guys were tired.

If you go look at Brandon Lafells numbers, he got better every year. He could have just as easily had that type of impact here if he held on to the ball. It's up to coaches to get the best out of their players.

Hard to make the case you care about winning when Bersin is your primary target in the Redzone with Olsen and KB on your team. So either they don't care or they're incompetent

You don't tag players that want to be free agents

Cam isn't signing for less than $100 million

That's not happening

Because I know our late season run included the Browns, Saints, Falcons, and Tampa. All very poor football teams last year. We were still a 7-9 football team last year. I count the tie as a loss.

My biggest problem with the front office is that they seem content with building a team that you don't need a guy like Cam for. As a panther fan, I don't want to see them hand Cam 100 million for him to throw to Bersin in a playoff game. If you want to run the ball and play defensive then you need to be able to actually make stops and force turnovers when it matters and have legitimate run game without your QB.

Hardy had problems before the tag, you play with fire you get burned.

Who have we kept that other teams would be dying to sign?

Remember last year we argued about our WR situation? You told me it was early many times. I believe you even said Avant was better than Lafell. You want to discuss that again? We view things differently. You think our glass is half full and I think it's half empty. I'm not a Gettleman fan I'm a panthers fan. We're a lot bigger than one rouge GM. You want to believe and I get that, you want to believe there's some master plan where we're going to be great. Have to be careful, the teams with all the cap space aren't usually the best teams.

Nobody made Gettleman rent Hardy for 13 million. Nobody made him release Smitty who I would take 100000990xs over Bersin in that situation. He played with fire and got burned. Lucky for him we played in the worst division in football last year and still couldn't manage a winning season.