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The way Rhule treated Cam down the stretch of the season, IMO it's not surprising at all. I think he didn't care for him as a coach, and I don't think Rhule can handle a guy with Cam's personality.

Your only point I agree with is people should stop with the personal insults against him. Calling Rhule fat isn't productive. Otherwise, yes Tepper is ultimately "responsible" for the hire but that does not make Rhule innocent of his own problems.

So we really decided on this path. Not only keeping Rhule but letting him try to hire a decent OC even though no one good would want to take the job seeing the big picture. Jesus fuging christ

Pretty much. He wanted Herbert and the GM either disagreed or opted to be a yes man to his owner out of self preservation. Flores is a good coach. Just very intense and he got stuck with a QB he didn't want.

This article is a good look at why he was fired. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2022/1/10/22876955/brian-flores-fired-miami-dolphins-stephen-ross

Not that I don't agree with the first point, but I really agree with the italicized section. His actions and talk have diverged so much this year in particular that I don't believe anything he says.

@Saca312I think you're right. As much as we all want to be rid of Matt and Sam, Sam will still be here next year unless he decides he's had enough of being a bad football player and retires. What coach would want this job knowing he's stuck with Sam for the first year and there's only so much he can do to upgrade the line?

As we all see, his style does not translate to the NFL. So he would not be qualified for any other NFL positions. He'd go back to college for the rest of his career like Nick Saban did.

So his job hinges on hiring someone qualified to be the interim head coach next year if he continues to poo the bed.

I checked out after the Arizona game when it was clear that Cam was not going to start for awhile, if at all. He did play a lot in the weeks after that but the offense was so bad I was cool with not watching anyway. Once Sam came off IR and Rhule immediately decided to start him thinking he could get Sam back to playing well, I checked out the rest of the way. Will not buy any merch or go to a single game until Rhule either pulls off a highly improbably turnaround or he gets fired. Likely will not watch much, if any, of the games either. They're so fuging boring. The Canes and Hornets are both way above the Panthers in viewing priority. The Canes are arguably the best team in the NHL this year and the Hornets are at least a good bet to be entertaining even if they don't win.

Of the reasons I've seen to keep Rhule, the first is always the fact that he turned around Baylor and Temple in year 3. I think this fact is getting overhyped. I'm a hobbyist statistician. From a statistical standpoint, an event occurring twice is merely a suggestion that it could happen again. It is far from a trend or guarantee. There is a common cognitive bias related to the human tendency to assume statistical outcomes will continue in the direction they are already moving. An example would be assuming that because a QB has throw for 3000, 3500, and 4000 yards in the prior 3 seasons of his career that he will increase his season yardage again in Year 4. Rhule has only done this twice before. The substandard quality of the schools, their competition, and their success (or lack thereof) has been discussed extensively. If the main reason for keeping Rhule is that he has turned his prior 2 teams around in Year 3 of his stops there, then it's a bad reason from a statistical perspective.

Probably opt out of watching any meaningful action during games on TV. Will follow the team but from a distance. Will continue my habit of not buying any new merch or going to a game. I started watching CFB this year and have found it more enjoyable and a better overall game than the NFL. So maybe shift more toward CFB viewing.

This is my conclusion too. Give them one more chance to turn things around next year. If they don't, we will probably be bad enough to have our choice of QBs.

Probably say goddamnit and roll my eyes

Not a chance

I cannot believe he actually said that. He just threw his handpicked QB under the bus. Rhule is a bad coach. Every week we more of his true colors. Deflect all blame.

Had not followed closely enough to know this. In that case get his ass out of here.

Definitely yes. But wait until the season is over. There is no point in firing him before then. If you do fire him, who the hell takes over? Remaining staff would be stretched too thin.

Matt Rhule has really gotten on my nerves the past few weeks because he tends to put blame on people who don't deserve it for any given mishap or problem. Awhile ago he blamed the defense for losing games when the offense couldn't do poo with Darnold at QB, leaving the defense on the field the majority of the game and sometimes in very short fields. Now he blames Cam for this fumble and can't make up his mind about his QB. How these guys are still willing to give a rat's ass about playing for him is beyond me.

He looks like he know he doesn't know what he's doing, and he knows he's fuged.

So this post got four fire reactions. Is that a good thing or bad?

Literally can't trust a word he says. He came off so authentic when he was hired. Now all I hear is a man who thinks he can talk his way out of anything.

Cam's return is pretty much the only thing keeping me even a little interested in this team right now. CMC has gone from a bonafide workhorse superstar that I got into a FF auction draft bidding war for 2-3 years ago to someone who can't stay on the field because he keeps getting over-used when he's healthy. The defense has been figured out. Just run off-tackle with a RB who isn't a shrimp and you're golden. Rhule has gone from an interesting coach who seemed to be making progress to a "culture" salesman with no substance and no answers. I strongly believe that his "culture" would only fly in college at a place like Baylor or Temple. I had hoped Rhule would be an offensive-minded coach but his approach reminds me of John Fox. Rely on the defense and your running game and get just enough from your QB to win by 3-7 points. Rhule just talks more behind the podium and is more aggressive with his situational playcalling. But Fox was ultra-conservative, so not hard to outdo him in risk-taking.

I have strong doubts we will make the playoffs. Cam will make things interesting, and a lot more fun. But the playoffs not in the cards this year.

I think we're saying the same thing, just in different words