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? I don't know I'm just showcasing the upcoming QBs in the 2023 draft mid college season, not trying to play GM. Highlighting who these guys are after the generally perceived top-3 is. But to answer that, I don't really know yet or have formed a complete opinion being mid-season. Each of the top-3 has their own knocks and it's hard for me to parse it out. And I like the potential in Ward and maybe Penix as well. I do know that Darnold is absolutely awful. Eye test, 4+ years of proof and statistically one of the worst starting QBs in the 21st century. I would not re-sign him and I honestly have no idea about Corral. Matt looked completely out of his element when finally thrown in and got injured almost immediately. His whole college career, pro day, and what we've seen gives me gigantic pause. Corral will be rostered, conditioning and study time with hopefully a good, experienced QB coach. We'll need a backup and a potential franchise guy and neither is rostered yet.

If anything, the emphasis in my OP is about completion height, age, percentage, and YPA

Why are you bringing this up? No one is talking about this dichotomy. Go start your own thread hombre. and edit: None of the top-3 are even runners. Really, Hooker is the only in the entire OP that could even really get that definition and I'm lukewarm at best on him for now. So I really don't understand what you're coming in with this debate for.

He's also still young for a Junior, so may just stay at Wash St another year. Could use it. If their defense wasn't such open season for QBs, they'd be top-10/playoff contender.

That's the thing, it's the Coug offense, he's not even dropping back, just throwing something immediately most of the time. It's why you have to watch the greater games for the drop backs and his pocket awareness when he's really needing to throw and not following their offensive script.

Yeah his back leg is never compromised. He was full control of his upper body with a really smooth hip rotation. Left hand is always finishing on the target with his right in his back pocket. I've seen him lose that discipline/get some jitters at times, but when he is on, it is fire. The Allen comparison make sense when you combine that arm & upper body strength. He actually has a bit less to work on than Allen accuracy wise, but needs to get a better cadence and rhythm going in games.

Corral's is tight and quick, what you see with Levis is like an assassin of the football yielding a laser sword down the pants of a greek god.

Holy moses, I'm plotzing over here.

I'd suggest the Oregon game to get a feel. Also, prepare for the Coug Raid offense.

Between PJ and Eason, we have our best active QB room since Cam & Josh McCown

I know they're in a post-SB funk, but if Steve Wilks and PJ Walker go out and beat McVay's Rams, oh man, that's gon be fun to see the fallout. Just triple cover Kupp and blitz Stafford. They can't do much else.

Dug it up from an older clip, Todd McShay says scouts this summer measured Young just over 5'10, 186... So realistically, he's 5'10 185 but lean, not thick like Russ/Kyler. Great breakdown by the 33rd team, they're pretty conflicted in chatting about it. Rich Gannon and Doug Pederson have some good thoughts. Could probably beef up to 195/200 but yep, 5'10 195 is still small, and he's lean. Big risk involved but he's got talent. Question being, can he live to the next down?

Just checking in...he's still fired! Woohoo

I speak to their running ability yes. Pocket maneuverability & mobility matters. Running ability can be an added plus (but depends), but of course, what can they do above their d*ck and between their ears is the most important. But don't come in here with the whole 1999 running QB vs. pocket argument. Just stop while you're ahead.

Random thing to come in and say.

It's a gamble for sure, all depends on how these GMs think of the kid and his toughness.

Levis yes, but if a team doesn't mind Bryce's height, he's got all the tools in the world. Absolutely love that kid's game. For every Baker/Johnny/Kyler, there's a Brees/Frank (and dare I say Jalen?) CJ, the OSU stain scares me more than height lol

He's got another year or so until his hype train arrives.

Overall accuracy is definitely strong but I've seen him sail throws to the sideline; though there not easy ones, he tries to make tough throws which is good.

Not trying to show my bias, but me as well. My personal board: 1A/B. Young/Stroud 2. Ward 3. Levis Ward has the star potential that I just don't see as much with Levis. Levis is a box checker and has some really solid moments, but I personally see shakiness from the dude so far. Although, the scout world views him highly for a reason.

I believe we've hit a good year for a reset. I know there are knocks on Young's height (love everything else), CJ's school of origin (love everything else), and Levis' shakiness in crunch time, but the three of those are above what we were looking at with that DAMNNNN awful draft class last year. There is at an absolute minimum 3 QBs with first round grades. CJ Stroud, Bryce Young, Will Levis. Now is the time where you'll see mocks around the web getting cute, major risers, fallers, it's already happened. CF is in full swing, mid season. Richardson and Van Dyke started with tremendous expectations and have fallen off big time. And now Hooker and Ward are starting to pop up in some 1st rounds. Big time stuff. So guys going in all directions, and dare I say, there are some with legitimate first round appeal. Now the question is, who will the casuals and non-scouts unnecessarily hype up when it's really a Carson Strong type situation? And vice versa, who are they keen on that we aren't as privy to? Let's take a look and assess: Cameron Ward 6'2 220 Washington State, will be 20 Y/O on draft day Mega hyped out of HS, young, tons of potential & has been super fun to watch this year. Scouts have been following him for a while. Balled out against Oregon until a fatal final GW drive INT after a near flawless performance. He is the type of guy able to make the flicker side throws and have the subtle improvisation skills you see with Allen/Mahomes. By no means am I straight line comparing though. Strong arm, good on his feet, and is just relentless. Good frame, doesn't have any physical growth concerns/conditioning needs AT ALL. My favorite trait is his unflinching ability in the pocket and sense of awareness. Avoids a lot of sacks with his timing and decision making. He glides around and is just sneaky in the pocket. Consistently finds 7-10 yard throws that many guys would not get. Currently hitting just north of 67% on the year. Only concern is that he hasn't shown his clutch gene yet, but man, there's definitely potential. Sax Take: Top-18, R1 Grayson McCall 6'3 215 Coastal Carolina, from Indian Trail, NC, will be 22 y/o on draft day Currently chucking the foozball at near 70% at 10 YPA. Lesser competition no doubt, but that is a really stellar line right there. And honestly, I've tuned in a few times and he's not just finding wide open guys in the seams and downfield. He's peppering all over, but to be honest has a slightly above average arm with some accuracy issues to his sides. He reminds me of a better version of James Morgan who was drafted to the Jets and floated on our PS the other year. He may be more of what I thought Morgan would become. Not seeing a ton of buzz on him but I do wonder what NFL scouts are thinking. I don't see any major flaws but this is the type that can be easy to overhype and may just be viewed as a mid rounder. 69 TDs to 7 INTs in his career, quicker 4.6 40-type. I do see a lot to like, but there's nothing that makes him super jump out. Sax Take: Round 2-3 Hendon Hooker 6'4 218 Tennessee (5-yr Hokie transfer), will be 25 y/o on draft day Here's the latest bretheren to boom out of nowhere this season. Always looked the part at VT but that team and program did him no favors. Now a Volunteer, he is rocking this season. Not being asked to do a ton that is asked of NFL QBs, a bit watered down system but he is dynamic. He straight up willed the team to the PITT win and has been dominating teams ever since. He's risen to a near 1st rounder but with his age, he needs to be ready to rock year 1. He's only a few months younger than Sam Darnold lol. Sax Take: Round 1-Top of Round 2 Michel Penix Jr. 6'3 223, Washington, a month shy of 23 on draft day. LEFTY ALERT 64% 8.8 YAC right now, which is less than ideal but he goes downfield a TON. He simply has a cannon and has the build. Also has stretches where the timing on his throws is just elite level. But he's inconsistent, he'll look like Mahomes and the next second Kellen Mond. Has bloomed and revitalized a potentially gone football career. Started off hot, has cooled a tad, but isn't completely screwing up. Some time to go this year and he really does have a lot of potential. Sax Take: Could be as high as a mid R1, low as R4 Tanner McKee 6'6 228, will be right near 23 y/o on draft day. Pros: Size, decision making, accuracy, and arm. Notable con: Mobility, although, I've seen him play and he's quicker than Kirk Cousins and some current QBs. Seems to have Burrow type speed but is so big, he's like this planted dinosaur surgeon of a human in the pocket with super good accuracy. Scouts really like this kid but he will simply not create anything on the ground. Slightly better Davis Mills---oh and look at that same program lol. Sax Take: Round 3-5 Notable, but I have bigger concerns about: Jaren Hall: Durability concerns, age concerns (25 on draft day), but he checks a lot of boxes. May become kind of bland in the NFL though with what he offers. Think B. Zach Wilson or Brian Hoyer. He's a tad small too so he needs something more to really show at this point. Just not buying him. Doesn't have the feel I see when you watch other undersized like Bryce. Round 4-5 Project with Potential: Phil Jurkovec: Size, Athleticism, Dual-Threat with an arm. Needs better mechanics and QB coaching. Really poor accuracy this year, close to a hard no. Awful VT loss. 6th Rd-UDFA College Return: Anthony Richardson: Needs to get used to this QB thing a bit longer Nos: Spencer Rattler: Have never liked him much. First time he was underhyped going into a season and he's been aight, nothing special KJ Jefferson: Way too undisciplined as a QB for the NFL. Leary: I like him somewhat but he can't stay healthy Tyler Van Dyke: Sorry man, but what happened? Sam Hartman: Arm Will Rogers: Arm

He's getting up there, would be 25, he's a senior +1. 5 months younger than Darnold haha.

Ooh abbreviating it now. Really finessing the huddle editorial section there poppa giorgio

The biggest thing in this process is getting a consultant working in conjunction with Fitterer & Morgan (If they stay) to find the next head coach. They need to collaboratively lay out a vision, identify their keepers from this current squad, and build a new roadmap for the future. This new HC would then work with them to identify which of Stroud/Young/etc. we want to lead the way. You make that move come next draft, and reset this. And maybe they come swinging out the gate like a few recent rookie HCs with young QBs. The HC and QB are what we need to get right and it's about laying the groundwork appropriately for both of those things to happen.