MasterAwesome

Yeah don’t worry I think we’ve established by now that the best defense you can muster up of Joe Brady is that “Matt Rhule sucks”. That’s a very brave take. I think we can put this to rest now.

If we’re paying Darnold either way, I’d still much rather keep him over PJ as QB3 lol. Unless cutting PJ is already a foregone conclusion in this scenario.

Lol are you referring to the first post I quoted above? Cause that's the one you directly quoted initially that inspired you to jump in and start defending Brady. In which case your hyperbole about all these supposed Brady haters is on full display...absolutely zero mention of Sam Darnold. And no one is using Brady to deflect any blame from Rhule and the other coaches. It's absolutely absurd that that's your claim. Rhule is basically universally hated across these boards. People have criticized virtually every member of this organization at one point or another but Joe Brady is in unique company as the only one you continue to jump in and defend against these imaginary people saying Joe Brady single-handedly destroyed our entire organization and forced Rhule to make every bad decision he has ever made, and punched 27 puppies while he did it. You saying that people use Brady to deflect the failures of others seems like incredibly transparent projection considering deflecting from Brady's failures is precisely what you continue to do. You already seem to have moved the goalposts of your defense from Brady being "impressive" to "hey I just don't think he deserves 100% of the blame for every single one of our failures from the past 2 years while arguing Rhule is perfect in every way". Like, okay dude lol sure I can agree to that extremely sizzling hot take. That's a great point.

You guys seem so desperate to turn Brady into this wronged persecuted martyr who died for Rhule's sins. He performed poorly as our OC and got canned, it's as simple as that. Yeah we all wish Rhule was canned alongside him, but unfortunately Tepper seems to have a higher tolerance for incompetence. Your insistence on labeling Brady as the "scapegoat for all the mess in 2021" again is incredibly hyperbolic designed to shift away from actually making any substantive defense of his performance, which you continue to abstain from. If he was the scapegoat for 2021, then Rhule would have kept his entire coaching staff in place except for Brady. Instead, we replaced our offensive coordinator, special teams coach, offensive line coach, wide receivers coach, tight ends coach, defensive line coach, defensive backs coach, and various assistants. Sounds like acknowledgement that there was plenty of blame to go around. So I don't understand the weird hyper-fixation on jumping to Brady's defense every chance you get.

Naw no one has ever made Brady a universal scapegoat...if you have to resort to this type of hyperbole, then your substantive arguments in defense of Brady are probably pretty flimsy. I've heard people saying Brady was responsible for bringing in Teddy but I've never heard that for Darnold...let alone this claim that he's "100% responsible" lol. Unless you're taking the most radical stance from like one single poster and extrapolating that like it's a mainstream criticism of Brady, in order to justify your continued blind defense of him. I've heard many people talk about Phil Snow being responsible for bringing in Darnold because of his comment about seeing "Stafford"-like qualities in the tape. So perhaps you should shift to defending Snow instead. You still keep alluding to Brady's impressiveness without being able to articulate how he was impressive. That seems like a pretty important premise to your argument.

Joe Brady consistently impressed you maybe...I don't see what he did that was objectively impressive unless you wanna tout this meaningless accolade of "4 different players with 1000+ yards from scrimmage!!". You alluded to "career years" for everyone in our offense - can you elaborate on this? I think Curtis Samuel is the only one who had a clear career year and he has always clearly been a super talented guy who just never had the opportunities. I do credit Brady with some of the creative ways he used Samuel in the red zone; unfortunately that seemed to be the only way Brady knew how to score in the red zone. Otherwise, looking at these other "career years": DJ Moore - nothing "career" about his season - very consistent production with what he's done the past few years. Robby Anderson - most yards of his career, but least TDs since his rookie season. Plus if you're being consistent with your "Darnold is the worst QB in the league" take, then you'd be attributing Robby's production almost entirely to the simple fact that he finally didn't play with Darnold for the first time in several years, rather than giving the credit to Brady. Teddy Bridgewater - more yards, less TDs. Actually the lowest TD% of his career. But overall, pretty par for the course for a Teddy season. Mike Davis - I mean I guess he had a "career year" with regards to total numbers, although it's certainly no coincidence that this came when he was thrust into a consistent starting role for the first time in his career. His production was pretty consistent with his last year in Seattle and last season with Atlanta when he had a similar workload. Hardly a praiseworthy performance, big picture. I feel like you're creating this narrative for Joe Brady being "impressive" cause you recognize that that's literally the only thing that prevents you from applying the same rationale and charitability to Rhule, that you are giving to Brady. Being "green" and needing time to develop, pointing out the bad HC/OC pairing (which goes both ways - Brady wasn't doing Rhule any favors either), dealing with the worst QB in the NFL. The only additional critique you can uniquely apply to Rhule is him being responsible for putting together such a green, amateurish coaching staff...which again, includes Brady. Our offense in 2020 was statistically not good...we were 24th in PPG, 25th in 3rd down %, 28th in Red Zone %. We had a below average starting QB and a very good 1-3 receiving corps; I'm not sure how you argue we overachieved with those offensive rankings, given our personnel. Also, Brady getting HC interviews is a pretty meaningless thing to hang your hat on. Not only did he not get hired anywhere, but he ended up having to accept a demotion with the Bills. If he's clearly super talented, he would have gotten an opportunity somewhere as OC. Unless you think FOs around the league are unable to properly analyze the individual work of an OC and just attributed all of our offensive failures last year to Brady without considering the Darnold factor.

Your continued defense of Brady is just as delusional as the Rhule/Darnold defenders. The common theme with Brady is he could not get the ball in the end zone…that was consistent no matter who his QB was, and that’s consistent with Teddy’s claim that we never practiced our red zone offense. That was clear to anyone who watched our games on Sundays. Brady was clueless there, and touchdowns are what win you games in the NFL. He was okay between the 20s which is why guys like Robby and Curtis had that “career production” you’re touting (i.e. yardage), but who cares if you can’t get the ball in the end zone. It’s wild revisionism that you and others all of a sudden wanna go back and praise our 2020 offense in defense of Brady. No one at the time was praising our offense, and rightfully so because it was pretty terrible.

Zod does that more than anyone here lol, which is ironic cause he used to always complain about people using his photos without crediting him.

Yep, Fitterer already decided the guy he TRADED UP for isn’t going to be very good. You nailed it OP, good job.

Remember when multiple Huddlers freaked out about the Saints trading their 2 1sts to jump in front of us and draft Willis? Lol. So many horrible pre-draft takes.

I'm sure Tepper is so heartbroken about people on a message board whining about him lol. The best way to "stick it" to him is to stop watching/dedicating your time to the team but none of you guys have the conviction to do it cause it's all transparent empty circle-jerk posturing. I'd be willing to bet that activity here during our 3-0 start to the season was a fraction of what it was before our season fell off a cliff.

Anyone who feels the need to post in thread after thread after thread about how done they are with the team, is clearly just posturing for internet validation.

The Huddle big brains really think Tepper publicly trashing the head coach and QB of his football team is conducive to building a functional football organization lol.

There's a thread on the first page literally titled "Are you excited about the draft" lol. I don't think we need to praise OP for feeling like his apathy deserved its own thread.

Are the people dwelling about NFL QB Wonderlic scores the same people who were "ROFLMAO" about the importance of long arms for NFL OTs? I feel like you can make a much stronger case for the latter.

Isn’t it funny how there seems to be an inverse relationship between how excited/interested you are in the team, vs. how much of your life you spend posting about them on the Huddle? The Huddlers who are the most vocal about how over the team they are, are the ones posting hundreds of times a day here.

This is such a weird take…if your goal is to put all your eggs in the 2023 basket, then why not Option C - trade #6 for multiple picks in next year’s draft? Your preference is for us to waste a #6 OVR pick on a bust of a QB?

"Speculating" seems like an awfully charitable interpretation of what you've been doing but okay I guess. I prefer to speculate based on actual substantive reporting and scouting evaluations rather than a place of jadedness and bitterness; I don't think the latter is very productive. What is your reasoning for the Panthers likely drafting Pickett? Cause "Rhule is dumb and trying to save his job"?

Do you generally find it rational to spend time complaining about things that may or may not happen? What % chance are you actually putting on the Panthers drafting Pickett?

The only people doing victory laps are the ones praising Fields’ rookie season. I’m just saying, if you liked his season last year I’ll get you a Darnold jersey…same thing. Personally, I have a higher standard for who I want to play QB for the Panthers. You’re too triggered about anything and everything to have any kind of objective levelheaded discussion. I even said I’m not discrediting Fields and I expect him to bounce back his sophomore year but you’re way too emotional bro.

Yeah the rookie QB who went 2-8 as a starter with 7 TD passes, 10 interceptions, and 12 fumbles is the guy everyone is still complaining about us not drafting. Like I totally get not calling him a bust or anything and I'm expecting a much better sophomore year, but anyone who watched that rookie season and thinks *at this point* "CAN'T BELIEVE WE PASSED THAT UP" is honestly bizarre.

Lol what? The reality and facts are that the Saints traded for an extra mid first round pick this year. Everything else is weird premature speculation on your part.

If the bar is that the player left us to eventually become a “superstar”, then that’s a very short list…maybe just Evan Mathis, although “superstar” is arguable for him. Butker I guess is a recent example, although I still think people somewhat overhype him on here. He’s probably a fringe Top 5 kicker though which is way more than enough to wish we had kept him. Then you’ve got players like Heinicke who seem to have been more talented than we originally thought and were definitely worth holding onto in hindsight. Even just as a backup QB, he would probably be Top 5 and cheap.

Ironically....Fields, Lawrence, and Wilson are arguably the three QBs who were as bad or worse than Darnold last year. Maybe we should wait for these rookies to actually do something before we get too triggered about missing out on them.

I get that the Huddle has some real Panthers Derangement Syndrome, but I can't believe people are propping this up as a good move by the Saints. This trade makes zero sense and it's dumb for a team as cap-strapped as the Saints to so willy-nilly jump the gun in forfeiting draft capital.