MasterAwesome

Just curious, do you praise Rhule for coming out and naming Icky as the starting LT yesterday, like you're praising these coaches for saying today that they're gonna start giving their promising rookie QBs meaningful snaps with the 1st string (at least Tomlin and Rivera)? Call me crazy, but I imagine if Rhule came out in a presser today saying "we're going to start giving Corral meaningful reps" (like these other coaches did), you'd be like "LOLOLOL it's about time this idiot figured it out". "Matt Rhule - We have a plan for our rookie LT to get up to speed and start taking meaningful reps in the preseason" So do you agree with the above statement (using your framing)? Cause I struggle to see the difference in Rhule's approach with our promising rookie LT vs. these other teams' approach with their promising rookie QBs. I get the whole Corral thing is frustrating and I'm willing to grant you that. But the Icky thing, from my perspective, is an example of you praising other coaches for something that you blasted Rhule for.

TBD...if Mahomes ends up arrested for his involvement in a human trafficking scheme and we ended up wasting that conditional 2029 7th round pick, then it was definitely Rhule!!

Yeah that's fine and that's the type of stuff you would incorporate into Rhule's overall evaluation as to whether you think he's a good coach or not. But you should still be able to separate your overall opinions of Rhule from your opinions on any individual action he takes. I'm not arguing that we should blindly trust Rhule, I'm saying we should be objective and levelheaded enough to not let our opinion of Rhule poison our ability to evaluate an individual move beyond simply the person making it. If Rhule traded a conditional 2029 7th round pick for Pat Mahomes, could we agree that's an awesome move? Or would we pause and say "wait a second....this is Rhule we're talking about...nothing he does makes sense! He must have gotten screwed somehow. TERRIBLE MOVE!".

Come on man lol that's an odd comparison to draw between Mayfield, and the guy the very same Browns mortgaged their entire future to dump Mayfield for.

The problem is that your evaluation of individual moves, competitions, etc. essentially boils down to "Rhule sucks, therefore this decision probably sucks" rather than evaluating each individual move on its own merits. You even said in another thread (and I'm paraphrasing) that if a different coach decided to have a training camp competition at LT between BC and Ekwonu, for example, that you wouldn't really have an issue with it. But since it was Rhule who did it (who you don't trust), you have decided that it's a stupid move. We can say that Rhule sucks while also analyzing whether something he did is rational and justified or not. I think we can employ some more nuanced discussion than some elementary Decision Tree dialogue that goes "Does Rhule suck?" IF YES -> "Every decision he makes is wrong and stupid". That's basically the state of the current discourse on the Huddle.

I dunno man, running back is the one position that falls off an absolute cliff if you don't draft them early. It's so much easier to find WR sleepers later on since most teams operate out of 3 WR sets the majority of the time. With running backs, the handful of featured guys get snagged up within the first few rounds and then you're basically left with taking handcuffs on the off chance that a starter gets dinged up and misses time. Or draft a backup rookie running back and hope that he takes over the starting position at some point in the season. I can't recall how many years I've had random rookie running backs sitting on my bench just clogging up valuable roster spots because my running back situation was so desperate that I was banking on one of them amounting to something during the season.

Our run defense was supposedly pretty stout against the Patriots the last couple days, but I'm all for improving the roster whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Yeah and would be incredible value for a 4th round QB. But the bar for him fetching major picks is probably a good bit higher than "better than what the Panthers have fielded in quite a while" lol.

Meh, I think his ceiling is probably Andy Dalton.

Devin Jones was the CB we signed from UNC Pembroke two weeks ago. Duke Dawson we signed three weeks ago, and he played at Florida. Easy mix-up lol.

I mean, same lol I just watched the highlights and looked up the box score. But when a player records the lone interception for your team, his name tends to stick out. For me at least.

I'm guessing you didn't watch our preseason game.

Interesting, I didn't even realize Norwell and Turner are reunited at LG and RG in Washington. I guess Ron is feeling nostalgic and trying to get the gang back together again lol. I have a feeling we might see Vernon Butler signed in Washington at some point.

If you can throw in matching Fatt Fhule t-shirts, then gosh darn it I’M IN!

Yeah and I doubt Rhule is like “STFU James, yeah you’ve been coaching o-line for 20 years but I’M Matt motherfkin Rhule and I AM ALL-KNOWING” which is basically the scenario you and others paint when you throw out the word “micromanager” twenty thousand times to suggest Rhule is unilaterally making the lineup decisions. Otherwise you accept the reality, like most people, that Rhule uses Campen’s input to determine the o-line. It’s a joint decision and it’s VERY unlikely that there’s real dispute between the two as far as the basics like who deserves to start, who should be playing which position, etc.

Are you suggesting most teams do start late-round rookies?

Beta Ron Rivera would draft Jonathan Taylor. Alpha Riverboat Ron would take CMC. Do with that what you will.

Steve Wilks was a head coach back in 2019 and is now a position coach on a not-highly-regarded coaching staff, and I think most people hold him in high regard.

Losing his starting elite Center might contribute to that. Brady is one of those QBs whose success largely stems from the ability to step up into a clean pocket.

"Dumbass" is not a very analytical word.

Is it possible we're overrating Bozeman? I keep hearing in here about how good of a C he is/was with Baltimore, but he ultimately signed a pretty underwhelming 1-year $2.8 million contract which is not anywhere close to market value for a good or even average Center.

But if people want to make the argument that Corral sucked in Week 1 entirely because of our coaching staff, then you'd have to assume that Howell would have also sucked with the same coaching staff taking the same approach. So being frustrated we didn't take Howell isn't really logically consistent unless you're only arguing about the draft capital we would have saved. That's why I'm surprised @mrcompletely11 pied this post cause that seems to be contrary to what he has been saying about coaching being 100% of the reason behind the difference in rookie QB performances in Preseason Week 1.

I think another thing that is overlooked is how much DJ has been held back not only by QBs, but by OCs. Brady in particular was absolutely clueless on how to operate in the red zone. I'm expecting a big boost to DJ's TD numbers with the transition to a more experienced OC like McAdoo.

It's weird, it's pretty much the same thing that happened the year before with Marty Hurney. He got fired before the season was over, citing "philosophical differences". But I don't remember people up in arms over Hurney getting unfairly scapegoated lol.