MasterAwesome

Interesting, did you deliberately leave Robby out, as in you would bench him in favor of these other 4-5 receivers? Or did you just accidentally overlook him? Also, any insights on Tremble this week or was he not utilized much against the Giants? I admit I didn't really see him on the screen much but not sure if I just overlooked him or if he was utilized mostly as a blocker where he wouldn't stand out to a casual fan.

Best content on the Huddle, hands down. Sounds like a healthy combination of coaching ineptitude and poor player execution. There seem to be a million minor errors here and there where if just one more thing went our way (i.e. an o-lineman holding his block for one more second, or Baker seeing a wide open receiver, or a drop on a pass that could easily have otherwise been a TD, or one of the missed holding calls are made, etc.), then we could be looking at 2-0 instead of 0-2. With better coaching and scheming on the offensive and defensive side, we would be better positioned to overcome more of these errors, which we will need to do when we play the better teams on our schedule. So what's your overall feel on Shi? You said he was in over his head on Sunday, but he also seems to get open fairly well (at least Week 1) and draws a lot of illegal contact by DBs, despite it not being called by officials. Does he seem like a starting caliber slot receiver to you so far? Or are you ready to see what someone like TMJ or Higgins can do as our WR3 while Shi develops a bit more from the bench? Also, you mentioned Corbett showed good athleticism on some of the pulling run plays but also said further on that he's not a good pulling guard. Does it seem to be mostly mental with him? Like he doesn't engage the right defender on these run plays? Or he's too weak physically to where he's getting manhandled?

@TheCasillas reviewed the All-22 for Week 1 against the Browns and his evaluation was that WRs were getting consistently open all game (DJ Moore and Shi Smith in particular, IIRC). We're all eagerly awaiting his analysis of the Week 2 tape (*nudge nudge*).

Saw this tweet earlier. Wasn't gonna make a thread on it, but this seems like an appropriate place to drop it.

Maybe you should ask the Waldo from 2 years ago lol. (Sorry to inadvertently put you on blast @OldhamA)

There was a swarm of people who pushed back any time anyone complained about the refs in Week 1, saying there was a slew of bigger reasons as to why we lost. I'd say that surely applies here too with Horn. As far as reasons why we're 0-2, I'd put Horn very close to the bottom of that list.

What are you talking about dude how did you get a “this place is so negative!” vibe from my post? I’m saying why would people who dislike negativity logically jump onto the boards to engage during peak negativity (i.e. right after a loss or in the middle of a game where we’re sucking)? I’m not complaining about it being peak negativity after a loss, of course it will naturally be. And the comment about poundaway was specifically about Kungfoo’s point about “fairweather fans” being MIA from the Huddle like they’re fake fans for not being here, when the dude was literally AT THE GAME which is why he wasn’t posting . Not sure why you are ranting about his entire character arc like that had anything to do with what I was saying. Relax, Frankie. Speaking of character arcs, I thought you were developing into more of an anti-hero but don’t slip back into your old ways now. Only one of us is outraged here.

FWIW, here are the PFF scores on defense for the season (I had to google them one at a time lol): Derrick Brown: 77.0 Bravvion Roy: 65.7 Matt Ioaniddis: 57.2 Marquan McCall: ? (not enough snaps to qualify) Yetur Gross-Matos: 53.2 Brian Burns: 59.8 Marquis Haynes: 64.8 Henry Anderson: 70.1 Phil Hoskins: 28.4 Shaq Thompson: 49.4 Frankie Luvu: 65.3 Damien Wilson: 46.5 Cory Littleton: 59.8 Xavier Woods: 76.7 Jeremy Chinn: 54.1 Myles Hartsfield: 77.3 CJ Henderson: 62.1 Jaycee Horn: 61.4 Donte Jackson: 64.4 Keith Taylor: 60.3 Based on PFF's grading scale below, looks like we have a bunch of back-up caliber players at best, aside from just Derrick Brown, Myles Hartsfield, Xavier Woods, and Henry Anderson who are all just serviceable starters.

The Lions' clip is literally every locker room after a win lol. I guarantee ours would look just like that if we could ever win a game.

Are we saying your Huddle posting activity is a measure of your Panthers' fandom? I remember poundaway getting called out by frank during the first half of Week 1 for being MIA while he was literally at the game lol. I'm one of those who "whines about negativity" (if we're being overly reductive) and I sure as hell don't want to jump on here during the peak of negativity during/after a loss lol. That's why I historically tend to stay away from Gameday threads. I don't think there is anything remotely contradictory about that; in fact, it's quite consistent. I mean, y'all always tell people like us to "just stay away from the boards if it's too negative for you" but then we still get ridiculed for doing just that lol. It's a lose-lose.

I could rationalize doing this on a handful of plays here and there to disguise different blitzes and confuse the offense, IF you have a formidable pass rush elsewhere on your d-line. But dropping your only proven pass rusher into coverage 15 times?? F that.

The highlight of the game for me was McCall's shirt riding up and seeing his big ole floppy belly hanging out. Then like 2 plays later, him busting through for a TFL on the RB. I'd love for him to bust out a Monty Mole celebration on his next big play (IYKYK).

That seems to line up with my viewing of the game. I think someone nailed it in another thread - Baker needs to learn to step up in the pocket instead of bailing laterally any time pressure comes from the edge. That's something you would expect a rookie QB to struggle with, not a 5th year vet. And most of our pressure seems to come from simply being outnumbered, when they send 6-7 players on a blitz. That's when we need to get better at utilizing hot reads, which Baker did a couple times (to Ricci and Ian Thomas) but it needs to be more consistent. I'd put that on coaching. For the most part though, it seems like our o-line is doing well in one-on-one matchups. It really felt like when the Giants rushed 4-5, we had a relatively huge amount of time in the pocket compared to what I'm used to seeing from a Panthers o-line. But again, in clean pockets when there was no pressure, I would see Baker rushing and forcing passes instead of going through reads.

Every time I tune into the Huddle and read all the commotion about Justin “Franchise QB” Fields, I just KNOW I’m about to stumble upon another horrid stat line. And lo and behold, a combined 90 yards and 1 TD

Second half adjustments what a novel concept!

Our o-line is killing it in pass protection.

Tackling is one of those things where there’s a textbook fundamentally sound way that is taught, but it’s almost a lost art. That’s why when someone does perform a textbook tackle, it’s usually praised and emphasized by announcers and coaches. Kuechly was one such player who was universally praised as being a technician when it came to tackling. Otherwise, lots of players still are operating on the fly, going for big hits, etc. Tackling seems like one of those things that’s so basic that it should be incredibly obvious to anyone who has played football. But just like everything else in football, there’s good technique and bad technique and bad technique often needs to be coached out of people. “Wrapping up” is one such technique that coaches repeatedly try to drill into their defensive players to learn how to properly tackle.

This doesn’t really seem to align with that Athletic article from last year where Person supposedly interviewed like 20+ people associated with the Panthers’ organization. I know the Wilks stuff is new since he didn’t join til this year, but stuff about players being annoyed with Snow’s college defense and especially how Snow is really running the show and Rhule is his puppet? I’d think that would have been a focal point or at least even remotely hinted at. I don’t think anyone really talked about Snow much. If true though, this reflects really poorly on Tepper most of all IMO. This level of internal dysfunction and infighting sure as hell doesn’t go unnoticed by the owner, so he needs to step in and do something about it - axe Rhule and/or Snow if our star players are that disgruntled to the point where they don’t want to re-sign here. The part about Rhule bringing Snow to every meeting with Tepper and how Tepper has to ask Rhule to meet alone is some real cuck poo and I’d be embarrassed as an owner to see my coach (the guy I chose as the leader of my team) bringing Daddy Snow along to every one of my meetings.

What feels a bit less hopeless this season, is having an OC who can actually adjust to what the defense is doing. Last season we pretty much knew we were doomed if we were down at halftime due to the inevitable Joe Brady implosion in the 3rd quarter. Our 17-7 halftime deficit would've been 38-7 after 4 straight 3-and-outs lol. Now I feel like we at least have a chance to claw our way back from behind. Definitely need the D to step it up though.

The one thing I do think was a fluke last week were all the missed tackles. I mean damn, 18 missed tackles is not something you expect to persist throughout the season. Otherwise, we'll end up with almost triple the number of missed tackles this season as we did last season. Hopefully they emphasized this in practice all week, something I think Snow did mention.

Not sure if you're trolling, but there are so many people who respond like this so allow me to explain something. There are three groups of people on these boards: 1) People who genuinely like Rhule and inexplicably defend him despite him being an abject failure and dragging our team through the mud. 2) People who don't "hate" Rhule (wink wink) but get triggered by a months-old 5-second clip of Rhule doing a dumb goofy laugh. 3) People who dislike Rhule but think Group 2 people are a bit unhinged and cartoonish (ironically much like the person in your GIF), as we would prefer to keep criticisms substantive. There is currently no place on these boards for us in Group 3. Like damn, am I allowed to just dislike Rhule in a healthy and mentally stable manner? Or like I legit have to feel visceral nausea and hatred and break at least 9 chairs every time I hear his voice or see his face?

Also I love how a 2-month-old clip of Rhule laughing gets more engagement than a thread like this. Huddle gonna Huddle.

I'm hoping we can exploit a Burns/Neal matchup but @TheCasillas have you noticed whether we tend to move Burns around on the line? It felt like he mostly went against the LT last week but I wasn't really keyed in on him.

Apparently J. Watson is also a common NFL name lol. Tonight is a great night for J. Watsons in KC.