MasterAwesome

Well...? Don't be rude, answer yourself!

Good ole Gettleman getting his choice of the top 4 OTs and picking the worst one at 4th overall.

Lol you guys know Hurney isn’t their GM...right?

Good for him...defied all odds for a 7th round pick and had a nice career.

It would be cheaper to just trade for Jordan Love and have him elevate Teddy Bridgewater to MVP status from the bench this time!!

Just seems like your anger is misdirected when you lash out at people who say they cheer for wins no matter what (I mean you in the general sense, cause there are tons of people here who do that). If you accept teams winning meaningless games and dropping their draft position as the norm in the NFL, then why dwell on fans who adopt a positive outlook from a bad situation? All these "BuT WiNnInG CuLtUrE" posts in here in every thread just come across extremely salty and petty. Either it is what it is, or propose what the coaching staff should have done instead, to subtly secure a loss without it being egregious enough to draw attention like with Philadelphia. Anything outside of that is extremely unproductive and a waste of time.

Was Rhule a loser and a moron for coaching to win? Were our players losers and morons for playing hard and trying to win? Should we fire/cut/reprimand them all, in your opinion? Cause their actions are what actually matter...not what we sit around and say on a message board.

Hell yeah guys, Bucs have officially TANKED their draft position! What losers...sucks to be a Bucs fan!!

They should trade us Watson + a 1st so we take his bloated contract off their hands!

Huh? Are you thinking of the Texans/Browns Osweiler trade? The Jets traded Teddy and a 6th to the Saints for their 3rd. That wasn't a contract dump; he had a pretty inconsequential contract. Teddy's contract is not that crippling for us to give up a mid-round pick for someone to take him off our hands. That would be terrible.

Heard he has pointy elbows. Would...not...sign.

What does a GM even look like? You’ve got anywhere between Brandon Beane and Dave Gettleman, and this dude looks smack dab in the middle.

What's "fuging weird" and a "Q theory" is the idea that you've actually sat on this information for 9 months while everyone spends the entire season referring to Teddy as a "Brady signing", which you sit idly by and allow to propagate throughout these boards, only to wait til Hurney gets fired to chime in "Oh btw guys, that was actually a Hurney signing". Thank god we are blessed to have true insiders like you to grace us with these generous morsels of information 9 months later. The actual Joe Person special!! Maybe that is why you defend him so much. It's obviously your call whether you want to share things here, but your decision to do so comes with the tacit acceptance of any pushback or questioning that follows, especially when it flies in the face of logic. I'm sorry that not everyone slurps up everything you say and treats you as this deity whose word is gospel. Whether what you're saying is true or not, how you handled this from start to finish was weird as hell and deserving of skepticism.

Hmmm Good one. Even funnier when you consider 3,000+ of those posts were you trying to convince everyone the entire season that Teddy was actually really good.

Hmm, let's see....who were by far the two most hated members of the Panthers this past season? Teddy and Hurney, yes? Boy, it would be awfully convenient if we could tie those two together somehow and inject new enthusiasm into the fanbase moving forward....darn....IF ONLY THERE WAS A WAY!! *Enter RoaringRiot* After Hurney was fired, he is conveniently fed this narrative from his source that Teddy was actually Hurney's signing....woah! What a bombshell revelation! What an effective way to wash the stench of the disastrous Teddy signing from Rhule/Brady moving forward. That makes a hell of a lot more sense than the narrative you're pushing. During the season, many people here thought it was plausible that Hurney was kept on this long only to be used as a scapegoat when the time was right. That seems to be exactly what happened after three consecutive losing seasons. Fortunately, scapegoating is only effective if you have a naïve audience who is willing to suspend all rational thought...unfortunately, that certainly appears to be us.

I think the point of contention here is with the presupposition that Wilson is a surefire elite QB. Those types of question marks you highlighted in your first paragraph with those other prospects, certainly exist in some capacity with Wilson too. Not the same question marks, but things like his injury history, level of competition, unorthodox mechanics, etc. He is nowhere near a perfect prospect. So teams will weigh those risks against his enticing traits and that'll decide where he's placed on their draft boards.

Can you though?

But you think a lame-duck GM in the last year of his contract did have that influence? Also, it doesn't make sense to me that Hurney was trying to save his job by signing Bridgewater to win now, while it was also reported that he wanted to take Justin Herbert with his first round pick last year. That type of veteran QB signing while drafting the QB of the future doesn't scream "win now". That's the type of move you make to set up long-term success, not immediate success. And I don't buy the argument that "Rhule and Tepper were cool with a rebuild" but deferred to Hurney who wanted to win now. That doesn't really pass the sniff test for me. A true rebuild is a monumental decision that has huge short and long term implications. To paint the narrative that a rebuild was just some nonchalant option that the head coach and owner of the team were like "yeah whatever we're cool with a rebuild but we don't feel that strongly about it" is not really operating within the confines of reality. Tepper invested billions of dollars into this franchise. You better believe he is thinking long-term with the moves he makes. Not deferring to a lame-duck GM who is transparently trying to save his job with moves that have the potential to set the franchise back several years.

And fast forward two years later and Little and Ford are both essentially busts. But damn if we didn't look stupid cause that one Bills dude high fived a few other dudes lol.

It's easy to identify those who lack a fundamental understanding of statistics/analytics. "Correlation does not imply causation" is literally Stats 101.

Last year? Last year Tua and Herbert went 5/6. Daniel Jones was the 2nd QB taken at #6 the year before. Josh Allen was taken at #7 the year before that. Mahomes/Watson were taken at #10/#12 the year before that. It's not very uncommon for one of the top QB prospects to land in the #8 range in any given year.

If the actual draft plays out this way and Wilson "falls" to us at 8, god forbid he busts and we have to listen to the narrative for years about how stupid we were to take him and all the other teams knew he was terrible and the Broncos' draft room was laughing their asses off when we took him instead of Trey Lance and he would've still been available with our 4th round pick.

Are we going to ignore the Brady/Teddy connection in New Orleans? That's even more of a red flag on Brady's record if he genuinely thought Teddy blows (having worked closely with him), and he either didn't speak up about it or couldn't persuade Hurney not to sign him. Or did Hurney just sign him despite Brady's objections? I don't get how Hurney has this reputation as this "Yes man"/selfless dude who fell on the sword for Rivera when he first got fired, while also simultaneously being this egomaniac who overrules his coaching staff and is only out to save his job at all costs.

Preparation for mass federal microchipping!!!!

The world is ripe for a pandemic of this nature...and yet most every other country by now has either drastically slowed down the spread or has outright wiped it out.