MasterAwesome

I imagine tackling is something that's pretty difficult to evaluate in training camp when players aren't going all out, even during full contact. And to your #2 - Snow mentioned that they're working on fixing up the tackling in preparation for the Giants.

Let's hope we're the 2021 Packers who got blown out 38-3 by the Saints in Week 1 and proceeded to go 1st in the NFC with a 13-4 record

It was called because of referee incompetence. Avoid getting another flag like it by doing exactly what you did because it was a good, clean play. There you go. The thought of coaches wasting valuable practice time discussing how to avoid bad officiating is just about the most pointless endeavor I can imagine.

So you agree with me....? This feels like one of those times where you're arguing with me in principle but you're actually just restating my position.

If you're a fan of the film review + analysis space that these guys occupy, then you should probably check out @TheCasillas "Great offensive breakdown" thread where he does exactly that.

And the Titans who allowed these 200+ yards rushing (most in the NFL Week 1) scored significantly higher on their run defense than the Giants did on their run offense lol.

If we're talking about logic: bad calls on final drives get over emphasized because those are the calls we can say much more confidently that directly altered the outcome of the game. Nobody points to a missed Roughing The Passer call in the 2nd quarter as the reason a game is won/lost because 1) you often don't know whether that call will even amount to points, and 2) any bad calls early in the game can cause a ripple effect that changes how the rest of the game plays out. Maybe that missed Roughing The Passer penalty will set up a 3rd and long that will draw up a different play from the OC that will lead to a long TD, or maybe if that call was made, then instead of punting deep into enemy territory, your QB throws an INT that gets returned for a TD which is infinitely worse. Or maybe that call is made which leads to an offensive TD and then the opposing team alters their gameplan and becomes more aggressive which leads to more or less points than they would have gotten otherwise. Or maybe they call that RTP penalty but then on the next play, your team gets a 15-yard Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty that essentially makes it a wash. There are unlimited possibilities. That's why harping on a missed call early in the game doesn't happen very much because it's impossible to accurately measure its impact. But missing two huge calls on the final drive that would have been virtually impossible for the Browns to overcome to win? Yeah, that's a little more clear cut.

Why would the victors and beneficiaries of bad officiating be posting threads after a win about how we need better refs I guarantee you those threads existed on the Patriots' boards. And whether people choose to talk about something or not doesn't determine its validity. The Patriots should have won that game, that's a pretty clear and uncontroversial statement. What should also be an uncontroversial statement is saying that we got screwed out of a win by the refs while also acknowledging we played poorly and were poorly coached, which were bigger issues.

And all you do is post cringey GIFs and completely "obliviate" (lol) the English language. All I see is

Let me get this straight…you guys are creaming yourselves over Charles Cross who allowed 2 sacks to Bradley Chubb, a guy who recorded 0 sacks in 7 games last year and a 45 PFF score for the season…while blasting Icky who allowed the same number of sacks to the best DE in the NFL who recorded 16 sacks last year and a 92 PFF score (more than DOUBLE Chubb’s)? Oh you guys…bless your hearts as we southerners say.

If our o-line didn't miss their blocks, and Baker didn't miss a wide open Shi Smith and throw that interception, and Matt Rhule didn't miss half of his brain on gameday, and the refs didn't miss that intentional grounding call, and our defense didn't miss all those tackles, then we would've won by at least 795 points. (Am I doing this right?)

I'm so confused about how Baker sucks but Justin Fields has proven he's a franchise QB their performances couldn't have been more similar. They both had trash first halves (Fields was MUCH worse, going 3/9 for 19 yards, an INT, and a 2.8 passer rating) but stepped it up in the second half. Either they're both trash or they're both franchise QBs if you're going off of Week 1. The difference was, Fields' defense allowed 10 points and Bakers' allowed 26 points. That's it. Maybe Fields will end up becoming a franchise QB, but based on last season + yesterday's game? Hilarious. I don't think it's any coincidence that the people already anointing him as such, are the ones who were pounding the table for him before the draft.

Elflein sucking ass last season is why I used context like “ironically” and “not that I expect that to continue”. My point is more about how bad our o-line looked in general today, that I wouldn’t be surprised if Elflein graded the best in protection out of our o-line (maybe him or BC). Most of our pressure seemingly came from the edge all game. Elflein sucked last year but I don’t recall him botching a bunch of snaps like today, which is why I thought that might have been on Baker. Clearly at least one of those were on Elf though (the shotgun clip from a couple posts below yours). I just remember seeing replays on TV of fumbled snaps under center that didn’t seem like egregiously bad snaps or anything.

I could be wrong, but it legit felt like Elflein ironically might have been our best o-lineman today. Not that I expect that to continue. *that’s with the assumption that the mishandled snaps were on Baker and not Elflein

I think I speak for all CMC fantasy owners when I say, you shut your filthy mouth!

The corners are the least of my concern on a day where we had virtually zero pass rush against a 3rd string RT and gave up over 200 yards rushing.

Let’s see if Baker can do what the other two couldn’t: actually put together a game-winning drive.

Uhhh…are you gay? Otherwise why should anyone care whether or not you’re personally offended by hate speech that isn’t even directed at someone like you? Imagine a white guy being like “I don’t get what’s the big deal about the n word? You can call me that and I wouldn’t even care one bit! People are too soft these days smh”.

It's way easier to win with a coach who makes poor roster decisions than with a coach who doesn't know how to coach. All you have to do is take the unilateral roster management out of his hands, or at least institute some roster oversight, which we seem to have with Fitterer and Morgan now. I'd say Rhule mostly falls in the former category of a coach who has been a victim of his own terrible personnel decisions - Sam Darnold, Joe Brady, etc. I think it's still TBD whether Rhule can actually coach or not, since the aforementioned terrible roster decisions have been so overpowering that it makes the coaching aspect more difficult to evaluate. I'll feel comfortable making a decision one way or another by mid-way through this season. There are no excuses this year - either produce or GTFO.

Brandon Beane was already snatched up by Buffalo 2 months before Gettleman was fired. Truly horrible timing, as we were clearly grooming Beane for a GM role (we just didn't know it was for a different team). It seems unlikely that Brandon Beane would normally have been on any team's radar...why would an Assistant GM to Marty Hurney of all people? But I think we can thank Sean McDermott for that, who clearly thought highly of Beane while they were together in Carolina. It reminds me of the Harrison Butker situation too. We stashed him on our Practice Squad - it seemed like we were trying to take our time and groom him to take over as our starter down the line. Then another team came and snatched him up and was willing to pull the trigger to take a chance on an unproven entity. You gotta be bold and take some risks in this league; you can't just sit around and take your time and pussyfoot around in hopes that things will fall in place.

It also illustrates how silly it is to be dismissive any time we sign or trade for a player from a losing franchise. It's always "wow what are we thinking trying to emulate a losing franchise". There's a reason the Bills are called "Panthers North" lol they routinely snatch up our sloppy seconds year after year after year. The difference is that they have a coaching staff who can seemingly develop raw talented players and put them in a position to succeed - that's what we seem to be sorely lacking so far. Oh and a superstar QB doesn't hurt...that definitely helps to mask some terrible moves like trading a 3rd for Kelvin Benjamin and signing Vernon Butler to a 2-year $15 million contract (truly some sloppy seconds).

Hey go easy on Josh Allen, he’s got Joe Brady for a QB coach.

I can respect what you were going for with that, but it was an extremely lazy and half-assed analysis to do that solely for our team and not for any of the other teams you conveniently blindly referenced as having the 32nd, 31st, etc. ranked rush offenses who we played against. What if the 32nd ranked rush offense played against every one of the top 10 rush defenses? Unless you evaluate every team the same way you evaluated the Panthers and then create some kind of standardized composite grade for each one (which I wouldn't expect you to do, but you opened the door for that), then your assessment is kinda useless no offense. I think you recognized that, which is why you quickly pivoted from a statistical analysis to the "oh I trust my eyes over statistics" defense.

This argument is confusing because you're first laying the groundwork about how statistics can be misleading and skewed and that there are other factors that can contribute to these statistics that help better explain them. But then at the same time, you're also doing what you said not to do, and blanketly referencing statistics to support an argument in your last paragraph. So just to be clear: can we not trust the statistic that identified us as the 8th best run defense (at least in terms of YPC) but we can trust these statistics assigning our opponents the 32nd, 31st x2, etc. rush offenses? No need to consider all these other factors that could provide a comprehensive explanation for these low rankings for opposing rush offenses?