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In his defense, he also has the second highest pressure rate out of any QB which will almost definitely lead to a higher percentage of bad throws. I’d also guess a lot of those bad throws came in the earlier part of the season vs. the last few games. He’s not a finished product by any means but I don’t know how you can’t feel optimistic about him at this point.

Yeah on the surface it sounds odd, but you'd have to account for injured QBs and their backups who have played less games (and thrown less passes) than Fields who will kinda counteract the fact that Fields throws less passes per game, since Fields has started every game so far. Baker is one of those - also guys like Ryan Tannehill, Cooper Rush, Zach Wilson, and Joe Flacco. Flacco is the only one who you could maybe question due to that small sample size of 3 games (although he threw an insane 155 passes over those 3 games lol); the others have played at least 6 games. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/passing_advanced.htm

I was looking at total drops but I just checked for drop percentage and he's 18th there. And that's only considering eligible QBs, like Baker is on there at 10th worst but PJ Walker isn't even listed - I looked PJ up manually and he has a 6.7% drop rate which would put him at 4th worst in the entire league. Yet how many times have people in here jumped to PJ's defense about receivers dropping passes? How many compilation videos are out there about dropped PJ passes? It just seems, statistically speaking at least, that the dropped passes narrative is way overblown for Fields. Other elements of his surrounding talent like his o-line protection, wide receiver separation, etc. might be legitimate but those are more difficult to find data on. And maybe the guy who made that video should have invested his time making a compilation video of Fields' o-line giving up immediate pressure or something if that were the case. Touchdown passes has nothing to do with the video I was discussing in my post. I'm not making some grand judgment about Fields as a QB, I'm simply saying that video I just watched was extremely unconvincing as a defense of Fields. I can't imagine anyone who is truly on the fence about Fields, walking away with a more favorable impression of him after watching that video. I think it did a disservice to him more than anything cause you're kinda left thinking "wait that's it?". Hand-selecting clips that were completely inconsequential like the 3rd and 16 and 4th and 16 drops, as well as padding the run time to get to 2 minutes by including Special Teams clips of muffed punts is what makes it come off as a bit desperate and biased. If someone made a compilation video of Sam Darnold and trying to convince us that he was a great QB getting screwed over by his team, and then proceeded to include a clip of his running back dropping a checkdown on 4th & 30 as 5 defenders converged on him, I'd roll my eyes lol. Hyperbolic example I know, and I'm not trying to compare Fields to Darnold (like I said I'm excited about Fields' development as of late), but it's the same sentiment with regards to that video.

Good thing we've got a pretty solid o-line to protect the poor guy!

Don't you think you could do the same thing though for teams who lucked into the better QB because they picked later and the guy they would've taken was already gone? Who thinks the Bears wouldn't have taken Zach Wilson if they were picking #2, over Justin Fields? I wonder if the Dolphins wish they were one pick later where Tua was already gone and they were forced to take Herbert instead. How about Lamar Jackson? Do you think the Ravens would have necessarily used a Top 10 pick on a gamble like that rather than at #32 where the value was more reasonable? Now if you expand this beyond QBs to every position, think about how many busts teams were able to avoid simply due to a team ahead of them already drafting that particular player. This probably happens dozens of times every year. You can say it all boils down to the competence of a team's GM/scouting, but sometimes players that should be great inexplicably end up busting, and others that should be busts inexplicably have great careers. Objectively speaking, of course having a higher pick is obviously better and anyone arguing otherwise is delusional. But I just think there are countless examples every year where teams happen to luck into a better outcome because they picked later. If you had a direct irrefutable correlation of higher pick = better draft then yeah sure it'd be much more tempting to be all in on the tank. But when you factor in the crazy randomness of the draft every year where tons of high picks bust and tons of later picks flourish, then it muddies the waters a bit to where I've adopted more of a nihilistic approach of "let's enjoy the season...whatever happens, happens...let's hope for a good draft wherever we end up picking".

I dunno about this one...if you were to separate your fandom from the equation and just evaluate this objectively, would you truly argue that this is a super compelling compilation video of Fields getting screwed over beyond what every single QB goes through? As a fan of entertaining football, I'm excited for Fields' development and trajectory and watching him play, but this video seems egregiously homeristic lol. The very first clip is of a 3rd & 16 drop that would have been blown up for a 4-5 yard gain. They were in field goal range so you could maybe argue the impact of that drop....if the Bears didn't go on to make the FG anyways on the next play (they did). So this is "literally irrefutable" evidence of an entirely inconsequential drop. There's another similar type play of a 4th & 16 drop that clearly would have been short of the sticks as the guy was in the process of getting tackled simultaneously as the catch was attempting to be made. Then there are two clips of muffed punts which, sure you can argue that they take away a QB's number of opportunities to put up points, but still a pretty big stretch to include in a compilation of drops. You might as well make a 45-minute compilation video of every 1st down the defense gives up because those are also limiting the QB's opportunities. If you trim the fat above, you're left with maybe a one minute clip of legitimate drops including a few damn impressive throws. But again, that goes back to my original question of putting this within the context of what every QB has to endure. I feel like it'd be pretty damn easy to come up with a one minute compilation video of receiver drops for every QB in the NFL. Hell, the statistics I looked up puts Justin Fields tied at 18th-23rd for most drops in the league despite playing at least one more game than all of the QBs above him except for 3.

I drafted him in my league but he put up so many duds early in the year (talking strictly in terms of fantasy points) that I dropped him...only to see him finally used to his potential and explode in recent weeks. Luckily I was able to pick him back up a couple weeks ago which was surprising cause I'm in a 12-man league with a bunch of vultures who snag every half-way decent pick-up before I can get a chance lol. Funny enough, same thing with Cole Kmet. I drafted him, he put up a bunch of duds, I dropped him, and I picked him back up last week and fortunately started him yesterday.

Do I need to seriously consider benching Hurts for Fields in Fantasy Football moving forward? I never thought I'd have a QB dilemma on my hands with the way Hurts has been playing this year

Are you under the impression that I ever argued that Bosa is better than Burns simply because his sack numbers are better? The only reason I brought up their sack numbers was in response to the guy who initially brought them up to argue that their career production is equivalent, while ignoring that one played 16 more games than the other. That was never the crux of my argument. That was the crux of his argument which was extremely flawed. But humor me this: you brought up the completion percentage example for QBs as something that one QB might be statistically superior in that doesn’t mean he’s a better QB. Well what would you say is one area or statistic that Burns is superior than Bosa in? Durability maybe, but I can’t think of anything else as far as on-the-field performance. You can say something like he has a quicker first step or is more explosive or point to something athletically but if that doesn’t translate into superior performance on the field then that’s kinda a pointless thing to hang your hat on.

You’re technically not wrong but you realize this type of broad reasoning would mean you can’t ever compare any player against any other player on any team? Tom Brady in his prime can’t be compared to Jimmy Clausen because they played in different systems and had different supporting casts and were asked to do different things in executing their respective gameplans etc. I’m genuinely curious - is that actually your argument? That we can’t confidently say that Tom Brady in his prime was a better QB than Jimmy Clausen? Or what am I missing here?

Why can you not compare the two when they play the same position and have the same responsibilities (rush the passer, defend the run)? Can we not say for example that Brian Burns is a better DE than Yetur Gross-Matos simply because they are two different types of DEs? Can we not say Lamar Jackson is a better QB than Mac Jones because their QB style is different? I can acknowledge two players are different while also being able to acknowledge whether one is more impactful and playing at a higher level. If you're comparing two different players at two different positions, then yeah I'd agree with you that it's tricky to directly compare the two.

Yeah I agree which is why I followed up with my last post about durability being a point in Burns' favor. But clearly the guy I was responding to was not going the "injury/durability" route; it was never mentioned once in any of his posts. It was meant to be a 1:1 comparison of Bosa and Burns having the same production over the same time period ergo are similar in ability. Imagine someone making the case that Christian McCaffrey and Myles Gaskin are the same caliber player because their rushing and receiving stats are roughly equivalent over the last 3 seasons. And someone points out that Christian McCaffrey has barely even played over the last 3 seasons because of injury and then that person responds "yeah well durability is a part of it". Like okay sure lol.

If you want to give Burns a point over Bosa for his durability then that's fair, but clearly you were trying to make the case that they're similar caliber DEs based on production when they're not.

Bosa has played 16 less games than Burns due to injury in his second season. So basically the same production in one less season. I like Burns but he's not in the same league as Bosa.

What's that? Sorry we can't hear you through that bag over your head.

Yeah I thought it was ironic that we were all complaining in PJ's first start against the Rams how Wilks didn't even try to go for points with a minute left in the 1st half and 3 timeouts. Then the following week against the Falcons, we were essentially in the same position with a minute left in the 1st half and we did try for points but PJ threw that pick-six which was a gamechanger. Even though I still think you try for the points in that situation 10/10 times and I think that pick-six was more of an amazing play by the defender rather than a poor decision by PJ...it still almost validated Wilks' restraint and hesitation when it comes to PJ.

We really don't use him like a conventional receiver at all. He's basically used almost exclusively on swing passes; hell, his touchdown was considered a run because it was thrown behind the line of scrimmage which is emblematic of how he's used lol.

Apparently it's an option play where PJ can hand the ball off as well. The announcers were commenting on it how PJ made the wrong read and threw the swing pass that got blown up instead of handing it off to Foreman. Running the same play multiple times optically seems lazy and ineffective but sometimes it's about setting something up down the line and subverting expectations when the opposing team thinks they know what you're about to do, but you bait and exploit them for a big gain.

Yeah I know, that's more for the "can't argue with the data!" people. Your data is only as good as your methodology.

Yeah and imagine if someone did the same analysis but set the bar at "All-Pro" instead of "Pro Bowl" and everyone below "All-Pro" was rated 0. Then Brian Burns and DJ Moore are both 0s whereas you would have a >0% chance of drafting an All-Pro in the 1st round which would lead to a completely different conclusion. That's why the methodology is flawed when you're setting your own arbitrary binary standards like "Pro Bowl" or "Pro Bowl caliber" = 1, everything else = 0.

"You mean to tell me people want to talk about how we possibly kept Brian Burns over two 1st round picks and a second round pick"? I can do that too...what do you think those people upset about not trading Burns wanted to potentially use those two 1st round picks for? Hint: I bolded it in your post. Those draft picks we gave up are ironically the going rate for even trading for an established franchise QB lol.

But DJ Moore hasn't actually made a Pro Bowl lol. OP is just considering him a "pro bowl caliber" player which in itself is also an abstraction. I mean I'd agree that DJ Moore is a pro bowl caliber player, but it's still subjective since he hasn't actually achieved that accolade and therefore is not tangible as you are suggesting.

I mean I agree with the sentiment...but it's funny cause there's literally a 22-page thread on the front page with people lamenting over passing over Justin Fields a year and a half ago, yet you draw the line at one whole week for the Burns non-trade. I don't see your "it didn't happen move on" energy over there.