MasterAwesome

I’d agree with that generally speaking, but with Levis specifically, is that even his game? Is his mental maturity what has given him the edge over his competition in college? Maybe I’m thinking of “mental maturity” in a different way, but I’m assuming you essentially mean his QB intelligence. And if I’m thinking “man amongst boys” with regards to QB intelligence, I’m picturing a tactical assassin who sits back in the pocket, dissects and exploits defensive coverages, picks apart soft spots in zone, looks off safeties to get them to bite, etc. With Levis, I thought he’s kinda more your prototypical extremely raw prospect with arm talent through the roof. At least I hear him being compared to guys like Josh Allen, but I’ve admitted to not watching a ton of college football so maybe I’m wrong about him.

Is the insinuation that 23-year-old college athletes are considerably physically superior to 20-22 year old college athletes? I'd say Anthony Richardson, physically speaking, looks way more like a man amongst boys and he's only 21.

I think it's essentially a measure of a QB's ability to avoid taking sacks. QBs that are high on the X axis had a high percentage of pressures leading to sacks in college (i.e. struggling to evade the pass rush). QBs that are high on the Y axis had a high percentage of pressures leading to sacks in the NFL. Based on this chart and Levis' 26.8% pressure-to-sack rate, he'd essentially be off the charts in a bad way. It's also suggesting a pretty linear correlation from college to the pros, so if you struggled with taking sacks when pressured in college, then chances are you're going to struggle with it in the NFL. It has nothing to do with each QB's o-line because the pre-condition for each data point is that the QB is already being pressured. So once the pressure has already taken place, which QBs take sacks at a higher rate vs. able to elude the sack.

You're like 10 weeks late on this thread....are you just clearing up your DVR queue and catching up on the season or something? If so, no one spoil the rest of the season for him.

There's a reason why he was considered the 'face of the franchise'...he was the closest thing to a superstar we had, and the most universally respected player across the league, media, etc. So looking at a team coached by Matt Rhule and quarterbacked by guys like Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, PJ Walker, and Teddy Bridgewater, and singling out CMC like "that's the guy who shoulders the blame for our 5-win seasons" is just odd to me. Whether intentional or not, you and frank are deflecting blame from the real culprits like Rhule who do warrant the brunt of criticism for these 5 win seasons. It's interesting to see the shifting narrative about certain players. If you like the player, then it's "we failed ________ and didn't put a good team around him". If you dislike the player, then it's "look, we only won X number of games with _______ - he couldn't even put the entire team on his back and will the team to the playoffs by himself".

Maybe he means "Five wins" as in Fields' career win total, over two seasons.

CMC for whatever reason is the only player I continuously see whose metric for value is tied to team wins. Unless you also think players like Burns and DJ Moore are ineffective because "five wins". I agree that RB is a devalued position and I still stand by the decision to trade CMC, but that's a pretty awful argument. Quarterback is the one position where I could maybe rationalize factoring in team record because it's the most impactful position by far. If there's one position that can single-handedly win or lose a game for the team, it's quarterback.

I dunno...reading between the lines, it sounds like they're saying if they were actually sold on any of these QBs, that they would take them. If they're simply unimpressed with this crop of QBs and are opting to therefore stick with Fields, that doesn't exactly sound like a glowing endorsement unless you're looking through it with Fields-colored glasses. Could you imagine any other team truly sold on their young, presumably franchise QB, even giving a caveat like that? Jags with Trevor Lawrence? Herbert with the Chargers? Burrow? Hurts? The fact that it's even a question is pretty damn telling. They didn't say no, they said they "would have to be completely blown away" which is pretty ambiguous considering we're not in the offseason and the evaluation process hasn't even truly begun.

Maybe if we won one more game and picked one spot later, we could've had him /s

"Part of the process" is about the most vague and meaningless characterization to freak out about. I was technically "part of the process" during our Super Bowl run in 2015, since I attended some games and yelled any time the opposing offense took the field. For all we know, she's sitting in on interviews in an observer role.

That Hard Knocks clip of Jamaal Williams epitomizes why fans arguing about tanking is a futile endeavor. Imagine expecting a guy like that to roll over and quit lol.

To people saying Fields is being held back by his lack of receivers: is there no consideration that these receivers are being held back by a QB who struggles to throw the football? Darnell Mooney for one, looked like a very promising up-and-coming receiver last season and magically seems to have significantly regressed this year. If you look at last year where he caught passes from both Fields and Dalton, here was the split between the two QBs: Mooney catching passes from Fields in 2021: averaged 3.45 catches and 49.8 yards per game (extrapolates to a 847 yard season) Mooney catching passes from Dalton in 2021: averaged 6.14 catches and 72.4 yards per game (extrapolates to a 1231 yard season) Now Mooney catching passes from Fields in 2022: averaged 3.3 catches and 41.1 yards per game (extrapolates to a 699 yard season) That's a huge increase in production catching passes from just a meh QB like Dalton. That production is the difference between a WR2 and a WR1. So is a guy like Mooney really the problem here? Same thing with Claypool. He's supposedly a horrible weapon yet somehow fetched a 2nd round pick in his 3rd season. His production has regressed significantly when catching passes from Fields even if you only look at this season pre-trade and post-trade. 2022 Claypool w/ Steelers: averaged 4 catches and 38.9 yards per game (extrapolates to a 661 yard season) 2022 Claypool w/ Bears: averaged 2 catches and 20.0 yards per game (extrapolates to a 340 yard season) Basically doubled his production catching passes from bad QBs like Trubisky and Pickett. So depending on who is throwing them the football, Mooney/Claypool either look like a legit WR1/2 duo or a meh WR2/3 duo. To be all "poor Justin Fields" without considering his impact on their production is pretty short-sighted.

You're not looking big-picture enough man...they tanked enough to get their franchise QB, now they just need to tank the next 5 seasons to get their franchise LT, franchise WR1, franchise CB, franchise DE, and franchise DT and then the wins will start coming.

Thank you for explaining tanking to me. I'm clearly talking about things from the perspective of the kids, unless you're advocating putting the fathers' self-interests over those of young kids who have little to no concept of tanking for draft position and just want to cheer on their team in the moment.

It's a bit ironic because it was you, @TheBigKat, posting photos of you and your sons traveling to away games, that personally felt like one of the most compelling and inspiring arguments against tanking. Seeing your kids smiling and hyped up to cheer on their favorite team made me think about things from a kid's perspective back when things were simple and pure. But now all I'll be able to picture is you shushing them at games when we score touchdowns like "Don't you understand?!?! Our draft positioning is going to suffer now!!". Smh.

Anybody who thinks losing to a hated divisional rival at home under any circumstances isn't embarrassing, has probably never played a sport in their life. "Shoot guys we almost had them! Great effort, we should all be proud of ourselves!" Remember the Matt Ryan "Get the f@#% off my field!" after a last-second game-winning FG? Yeah I bet there was a lot of pride in our locker room after that game. Posturing about the semantics of the word "embarrassing" is a pretty weak deflection.

Barely limping into the playoffs as the winner of an awful division…I thought we were against that here lol. I do genuinely wonder if Jags fans are upset about getting in or if that’s a uniquely Huddle thing.

Racial discrimination, at least in America, is primarily on the basis of your perceived race (skin color, etc.) rather than your actual lineage because it's based on prejudice, which generally derives from a baseless snapshot outward judgment of someone. If you're white-passing (like McDaniel), then chances are you have the lived experience of a white dude. So using McDaniel as a basis for Ross' racial inclinations one way or another, even if he's biracial, is pretty unreliable.

Firing McDaniel would be an insanely premature rash decision on the heels of a solid first season. But I also think he's being a little overhyped in here. The Dolphins have lost 5 straight after an 8-3 start to the season and went from a top-3 AFC playoff seed to being on the verge of missing the playoffs altogether. As Panthers fans, we are all too familiar with those late-season collapses involving loss after loss after loss and how important coaching factors into that. Yeah Tua has been injured, but Teddy is a top-tier back-up and you'd hope an offensive guru like McDaniel would still be able to manage temporarily with Teddy + Tyreek Hill + Waddle. As an OC, I'd be thinking "daaaamn *Mc*Daniel" (stupid zoomer reference) and that he's pretty top-tier. But as a HC, you're responsible for the whole team not just the offense. And at the end of the day, the Dolphins this year have progressed leaps and bounds on offense (having the best offensive skill player in the league surely doesn't hurt) but have regressed quite a bit on defense. The Dolphins' record went from 5-11 -> 10-6 -> 9-8 under Flores, and now 8-8 under McDaniel. So at best they've remained stagnant from last season, which you could argue is a disappointment considering the Tyreek Hill acquisition and Tua being in his third year. All that being said, I'd be pretty excited to land McDaniel here if he were to be fired. I think he has had a very promising rookie season, especially considering he has no head coaching experience. I think we're seeing him take some coaching lumps to end this season which I have no doubt he's learning from, so we'd be the beneficiaries of that acquired experience if we'd end up hiring him as our HC.

I actually had like an hour-long conversation with a PFF analyst last week at a party where I picked his brain about how they do their grading lol. He admitted there are always going to be subjective judgment calls cause they’ll never know for sure 100% of the play calls and assignments of each player. But they also have a ton of former coaches and players that they employ in consulting roles who give more credible front-line insight so it’s not like it’s just some Madden nerds sitting there making unilateral decisions when it comes to reviewing film. There’s also a lot of oversight with multiple analysts and management personnel reviewing each piece of film so those grades are an aggregate consensus from many sets of eyes.

Having the fortune of being a UNC grad currently living in SC, imagine how annoying it was to be lectured by my own coworkers how in fact nobody calls UNC "Carolina" (apparently even their own graduates) and that "Carolina" = USC. Basically the opposite of reality. I'm not one to use this expression other than facetiously, but I almost had to bust out the "bless your hearts" on them.

PJ had the highest grade out of any QB in the NFL all year. For his performance against the Bucs.

I hope not…if I’m the Panthers, I’m 50/50 on bringing Darnold back and I spend the last game of the season letting him loose in the pass game to help me make that decision.

I think the rationale behind opposing a DC head coach is associating them with a conservative offense coupled with an over-reliance on a strong defense (i.e. a DC’s bread and butter). Wilks seems to fit that mold based on what we’ve seen…if Ryan can buck that stereotype and hire an innovative OC to hand the offensive reins to, then I’d be gain. Then again, this is the DC that got diced up by Jarrett Stidham

Excuse me…where’s the option for Intramural Flag Football team??