MasterAwesome

I feel like Bryce would be the type of QB who doesn't translate particularly well to Madden since what makes him truly special is his brain/processing...and that's essentially irrelevant in Madden since the player does all the decision making. Otherwise, Young doesn't have a particularly strong arm, isn't the most accurate, nor is he the most athletic. Anthony Richardson would be a fun Madden QB...albeit probably infuriating both for the player using him (when he sails a wide open pass) and for his opponent (when he scrambles for 200 yards a game). (Admittedly I haven't watched the video in the OP yet)

Even if so, it's also been reported that Tepper isn't meddling in personnel decisions. So it's unlikely that his personal feelings on the S2 has been a meaningful factor in two different coaching staffs' application of it in their respective scouting processes.

It's already been reported that there have been QBs who scored well on the S2 who have done poorly in the NFL, but never a QB who has done poorly on the S2 who has been successful in the NFL. Almost definitely too small of a sample size though since the S2 is relatively new. Who are "we" that are valuing it so highly? If you're talking about us Huddlers, then how are we supposed to access S2 scores that aren't being publicly reported? If you have a public database somewhere, please feel free to share it. And if you're talking about "we" as in the front office, then we're talking about Rhule's team last year. We don't know how much emphasis Rhule placed on the S2, nor do we even really know how much emphasis this coaching staff/FO places on the S2...I don't recall that ever being reported.

Part of me was worried we were gonna draft Darnell Washington only because I was dreading one of these side by side photos when they do the rookie draft class picture lol.

I get the same feeling about Haynes as I did about Luvu his first year with us. “This dude is constantly flashing and always around the ball…he just needs more opportunities” - and we see how that worked out for Luvu last season.

Psh…he can’t call himself a superfan unless he posts at least 300 times a day on the Huddle.

That's fair, but defenders aren't allowed to hit below the knees which is the primary concern when we're talking about a QB getting hit while their feet are planted. Otherwise you're mainly talking about upper body injuries which are generally speaking, less common and less serious to my knowledge (I may be wrong). The Brock Purdy injury in the playoffs comes to mind which is definitely a case of that and appears to be serious, but something like that probably has relatively little to do with a QB's weight/build. Cam's a giant and he got hit in the shoulder which effectively ended his career as well.

If by "looking to argue" you mean challenging something you said that I disagree with, then okay sure that's kind of the point of these boards unless you're seeking an echo chamber. Were you looking to argue when you came in here to disagree with the OP? I wouldn't say so, but that seems to be an admission by your own perspective. Yeah trust me I've understood your simple point since the beginning. I'm agreeing that they take different types of hits, I just disagree that a QB's hits are necessarily more dangerous than a RB's hits. And certainly not to the level that overcomes the natural wear and tear that a RB accumulates, and not to the level that I can reconcile how it's the primary concern for Bryce Young but a complete afterthought (not even mentioned, actually) when it comes to Bijan Robinson...which was the entire point of the OP.

I think you stick to the draft board you've spent months developing and perfecting. It'd be premature to tweak your draft strategy based on a divisional rival's first round pick who hasn't taken an NFL snap yet. For all we know, he could end up a Trent Richardson level bust.

I mean, surely as a Panthers fan you've witnessed countless running plays up the gut into a wall of linemen for zero yards. "Both accelerating in a straight line directly at one another" is an incredibly hyperbolic interpretation of what I said lol. Not to mention, running backs getting gang-tackled with a ton of bodies around them often leaves them open to one of these 300-lb linemen (both o-line and d-line) getting pushed directly into their knee or ankle while their foot is planted. Your initial framing was pretty wacky...running backs running the complete opposite direction of linemen whereas the QB is getting tackled with zero momentum while their feet are planted in the ground? If anything, the QB is the one running in the opposite direction of the linemen as they trade to elude the pass rush. The way you framed it is really only particularly applicable for blindside hits where the QB has no idea the rusher is about to hit them (and what percentage of those account for a QB's total sacks taken, maybe 10%?). Otherwise, the QB can generally see that they're about to get sacked and will brace for the hit.

I do want to shout out Nicole Tepper. Most of the time she’s mentioned on these boards, it’s some veiled misogyny scoffing at her inclusion in team affairs. But it was refreshing to see her excitement and giddiness in the draft room in contrast to the emotionless blank faces of Reich, D. Tepper, and Fitterer every time the camera switched until the pick was made (then high fives were being dished out all around). I’m not one of those people who hyper focuses on the body language and demeanor of draft rooms, but hey I simply like seeing people enthusiastic and happy…call me crazy.

Sorry, is the RB the one running as fast as he can in the opposite direction of these 300 lb linemen in this scenario? Is he taking the handoff and then immediately running backwards out of his own end zone or something? These are the guys often running directly into the 300lb linemen.

Maybe you forgot about the biggest leaguewide scandal in at least two decades that rocked the NFL to its core.....when Nicole Tepper forgot to do a mandatory compliance training. I mean, it generated 15-20 pages worth of scathing commentary on the Huddle about how dysfunctional of an organization Tepper is running.

It's hard to keep up with because he's adjusted his rankings between the top 3 a couple times over the last several months. He has had all three of them as #1 at some point lol. Initial rankings (September 2022): 1. Stroud 2. Levis 3. Young Updated rankings (December 2022): 1. Levis 2. Young 3. Stroud Final rankings (April 2023): 1. Young 2. Levis 3. Stroud

So were we less enthusiastic about Young because we took 5 minutes to turn our pick in? I’m not sure I understand this argument…everyone and their grandmas knew we were taking Young so the Texans had plenty of time before the draft to decide who they were taking and apparently decided on Stroud. Obviously the Texans were never going into the draft with the #2 overall pick with the intention of spending their 10 minutes still deliberating last second on who they’re taking. I think you’re reading too much into the optics of rushing to get their pick in lol.

Bryce stores his weight in that giant beautiful brain of his.

Did you pack that in your carry-on?

I don't know, ask the guy I quoted who was invoking Russell Wilson's injury history (or lack thereof) as a cautionary tale for Young. What I do know though, is that it sounds awfully cowardly to forego a better prospect (which is majority widespread belief, whether or not you would like to admit it) at the most important position in the NFL because he might get injured at some point. Having the 1st overall pick and settling for a lesser prospect is something I'm surprised people are advocating for, given how outspoken everyone is in here about a franchise "mired in mediocrity". There are two types of people in the world: Chad Riverboat Rons, and Virgin Calculated Risk Taker Rons. I'm proud to be Team Riverboat...you feel free to stay comfortable and complacent in the latter category.

I mean, if you want to bring up the Russell Wilson comparison...are we saying we could get 9 full healthy seasons out of Bryce Young and have him miss 5 games total in his entire 11-season career? That sounds awesome, sign me up. That's a strange comparison to reference if you're trying to highlight injury concerns.

Um actually....it clearly says there that it's the 2021 draft, so two years ago. (just teasing and being "pedantic" since someone called you that the other day lol)

You've had such a weird character arc....you used to be the poster boy for the resident sunshine-pumping homer, who would rail against the whininess on these boards. You've always been pretty cringey but I at least respected you for staying hopeful and going against the grain when things were rough for the Panthers. Now you've rebranded from iamhubby to Gerry Green and became the very archetype of a whiny Huddler that you used to constantly argue with. The kicker is that you're having this philosophical existential crisis on the heels of the most exciting offseason for a Panthers fan in at least 5-6 years.

Yeah it's funny how people learn new things and integrate it into their understanding of the world.

I don't watch UNC football (despite being an alum), but statistically speaking, the last 4 games of the season were his worst 4 games by virtually every metric. He seemed to start off sizzling hot and then fell off towards the end of the season. Not sure if he was injured or he lost a bunch of receivers/o-line or what, but that's a bit of a discouraging trend to end the season. Bryce Young on the other hand, doesn't seem to have really had a statistically "bad" game dating back the last two seasons, other than perhaps the UGA championship game last year where he threw for 369 yards, 1 TD, and 2 INTs. Maye has had a very promising start to his career, but I still think he's TBD to see if he can play an entire season at a high level, whereas Young has proven that.

If a team sits tight and waits for a supposed Franchise QB to hopefully drop to them, as opposed to trading up to get their guy, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence about their belief in those prospects. If you think a guy is a franchise QB, you don't sit and wait and hope that he drops...you go get him.