MasterAwesome

Poor CJS4LIFE

I only compared Legette and Coleman because the post I was responding to had compared them. Not sure why you're still claiming I said Legette "was solid", even after my last post was entirely dedicated to clarifying that he struggled. Even the other guy you think said Legette was solid, seemed to more be pointing out the double standard to praise an "impact rookie" like Troy Franklin who had far less production. Even if you want to go with the "more targets" angle, the Troy Franklin comparison doesn't really make sense either. Legette had 58% more targets than Franklin, but 89% more yards and technically 100% more TDs, although TDs are harder and less reliable to extrapolate. So Franklin still underproduced Legette if you normalize for target share. His point remains valid even under your reasoning. Yes Franklin was a 4th round pick and I think that's the key difference, but again that circles back to nobody disputing that Legette struggled this year, despite you misinterpreting a couple of posts in here. Anyways, sounds like we largely agree.

I don't know why you're arguing as if I'm claiming Legette had an incredible rookie season. I argued: 1) Legette is acknowledged as the most raw among these prospects. You don't evaluate a raw high-ceiling prospect like Legette against a polished pro-ready prospect like Ladd solely on the basis of their rookie seasons. If you think we should stop drafting the raw athletic guys and take the sure thing, then that's a separate discussion. But Ladd was always going to have the easier transition to the NFL and so nothing should be surprising about him vastly outperforming the other receivers drafted around him in year 1. 2) It felt like the timing was off between Bryce and Legette for a good number of the incompletions. So those are the justifications for the lack of production, from my point of view. If I'm explaining why I think Legette struggled, your rebuttal that Legette did in fact struggle doesn't make a lot of sense. Do you not put any of the responsibility on Coleman for the lack of targets? The Bills were desperate for somebody to emerge as their WR1 after trading Diggs. That WR room was wide open for Coleman to seize that opportunity. Instead, a guy like Shakir has less snaps than Coleman but almost double the targets. There has to be a reason Coleman isn't getting targeted more...and that reason (from 20 seconds of Googling) seems to be that he really struggles with separation. I understand being upset about passing over Ladd, but I don't know why Coleman is even in this conversation with his underwhelming rookie season.

Coleman had very similar production to Legette in their respective rookie seasons, but in a much better offensive situation. If you're acknowledging XL is the rawest of the three, then it doesn't make sense to compare them on the basis of their rookie seasons. Ladd's floor and ceiling may be mere inches apart (which is still a very good receiver), whereas Legette has miles to go to hit his potential. So it's all about his trajectory over the next 1-2 seasons. We're not built to win now anyways, so if Legette can turn into a 1000-yard receiver by Year 3 then that's still a win in my book, even if it took him longer to get there than it did Ladd. We have obviously been focusing on his drops this year, but also the timing between Bryce and Legette just seemed off at times. He had his fair share of underthrown and overthrown balls, at a seemingly higher rate than with Thielen, Coker, David Moore, and Tommy Tremble. I expect the two of them to build their chemistry in the offseason and the production should follow.

It was definitely a pretty spiral and a great throw for a non-QB, but I wouldn't say he dropped it in the bucket. Sanders had to slow down quite a bit to wait on it as it did have a lot of air on it. It was exactly the type of floater that Bryce would've gotten criticized for, but we're talking about a 1st overall QB vs. an undrafted WR so it's more than justified to assign a double standard here lol. It was an impressive enough throw that I think we can definitely add a few more trick plays in the playbook for him. I think it was a nice play design too.

I'm intrigued by Jarrett Kingston who we picked up in waivers from SF. I feel like he has potential to become a RT. There's no way I trust him to slot in for Moton now...but he's one of the guys I'm most interested in keying in on for next preseason.

His season is actually remarkably similar to Funchess's rookie season. Except Funchess got a good bit less targets/opportunity (only started 5 games). I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, I wasn't as down on Funchess as a lot of people here and Funchess actually progressed to have a pretty good season with us in his first year as a full-time starter (840 yards, 8 TDs). Obviously we would hope for more given Legette's ceiling, but I still wouldn't hate it if he could consistently give us that kind of production.

So you think there are people who are taking this one extremely specific chart and making a broad sweeping judgment about which QBs are *good* or *bad*? You're really grasping at straws there, buddy. That doesn't even make sense: the people who read too much into charts and graphs are the same people who say that stats don't tell the whole story? Maybe you can explain that one...sounds a bit contradictory. It's not that complicated. Use statistics to supplement what you see with your eyes on gameday. They're both a part of the equation. To me, this chart corroborates what we've seen Bryce do time after time this season - throw accurate passes into very tight windows. Do you dispute seeing him do that at a high rate, in accordance with the chart? If they released this exact chart last year with Bryce positioned very favorably for this metric, I think we'd all agree it's completely bogus cause it contradicts what we witnessed from his rookie season. Same principle with a PFF score or a 40 time at the NFL combine. Maybe you'll get a surprising result that will make you revisit the game tape, but nobody takes those at face value to formulate their entire opinion of a player.

Or in other words, you seem like you're just always trying really hard to take the contrarian/unpopular stance at any given moment. If consensus is high on Bryce, you become a critic. If consensus is low on Bryce, you become an apologist. Like you see yourself as some noble counterbalancing force to temper sentiment around here. Not sure if that's a mod thing or what. We just put up 44 points in a W against a hated divisional rival in their stadium to end their season with playoff aspirations on the line...behind a dominant performance by our much-maligned sophomore #1 overall QB who just put an exclamation point on what, by all accounts, was an impossible redemption arc. Yeah I think calling him a top 10 QB is rather hyperbolic, but if you'd rather go all "Ackchyually" guy meme than to "Huddle" up (pun intended) in excitement around a thrilling season finale, it's just an odd way to invest your time and energy IMO.

Yeah but that's every week harder to do that when pressure is coming from everywhere. I'm not taking anything away from Bryce, just saying give the man some adequate protection and LET HIM COOK.

O-line/protection was by far the biggest difference from last week to this week. And that was the difference between scoring 14 points and 44 points.

I’m not sure if there was a single “epic” throw all through his rookie season. Now there are arguably multiple each game. Our little man with the “big time” throws.

I'd like to see Tremble come back; it seems like he's developing good rapport with Bryce. That one long pass where Bryce scrambled outside the pocket and Tremble turned upfield right in sync as Bryce let the ball go, was some beautiful mind meld improv between QB and receiver that I haven't seen in a while from this team. But I also support Tremble to pursue what I believe to be his lifelong dream, of becoming an Olympic hurdler. Three things in life are certain: death, taxes, and Tommy Tremble making an unnecessary hurdle in the open field.

Come on man…lol. This requires the bare minimum level of critical thinking. The tweet doesn’t say “passing TDs”.

TDs aren’t wrong. 15 TDs over 9 games since benching = 1.67 TDs per game, extrapolated over a 17 game season = 28.33 TDs. Don’t feel like doing the math on the yards cause I’m on my phone.