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My first thought too. I’d rather draft and develop a rookie and Corral, and have a clear bridge QB. Carr is better than that though, and I’m trying to get in the head of Fitt/Reich if they brought him in. Just seems like a waste if we bring in Carr AND draft QB at 9, especially if Corral is already there, and maybe Reich likes Eason too. Carr is “win right away”, and there are better uses at 9 if that’s what the goal is.

Team sport big guy.

Honestly if we sign Carr, that changes #9 for me. Carr can play. This wouldn’t be Baker with McAdoo. It’s not a question mark. He would probably be the guy for 2-4 years. We already have a developmental QB on the roster. Should we have two developmental guys sitting for that long? If we went Carr, seems more logical to me to draft the best offensive weapon or an edge rusher at 9.

I wouldn’t trade 9 for him but parting with a 2nd (and maybe another lower pick) would be worth the gamble imo. He is physically elite, and with the staff we are building, he would have more chance of success here than in Chicago of realizing potential. Even Fields for 9 is more tolerable to me than trading up for Levis or something.

The odds of our rookie and Corral having success seem to keep going up. We are going to fix this QB poo. Great time to be a Panthers fan folks.

That’s not what I said.

Meanwhile, the hated Sam Darnold was 4-2 as a starter this year because it’s a team sport. I’d love a Mahomes on the team, but there’s many ways to make a football omelet. Keep adding talent. Make the team better. And if a QB you love is there at 5-8, then you can trade up and not get bent over while doing so.

That’s what I’m saying. Perhaps text is a bad way to talk. Football is too much of a team game for “quarterbacks win championships” to be anything but a simple and annoying thing to just say.

I mean I think it’s obvious that having a great QB gives you an advantage. I was commenting more on the simplistic “quarterbacks win championships” phrase. Mahomes recently didn’t win a Super Bowl (55) when his line failed him, and his play was greatly affected. So literally the best QB in the NFL needed help, and since the team had too glaring a weakness on the line, they didn’t get it done. And they got the doors blown off. Obviously you want to seek a top 5 quarterback, but that’s like hitting the lottery no matter the round you draft them. I get what you are saying, but the phrase “quarterbacks win championships” is just so simple when reality is far more complicated than that. And that’s what makes this game so interesting to me. So many variables and complexity, masked in something so seemingly simple.

When a third of those were won by the Goat and a hall of fame coach, I’m not sure the point lands. Like 7 of the last 21 were Brady, which means 10 QB’s won the other 14. Now if we rephrase it as “The greatest QB of all time wins super bowls,” or “hall of fame talent QB’s win super bowls,” then sure. Now we just have to do the easy thing and draft a hall of fame QB. …or the plan could be to build the strongest roster in the most team sporty team sport, since even hall of fame QB’s lose in the playoffs every year because they don’t get the help they need from having weak teams around them.

Teams win championships. It certainly helps if you draft a QB who ends up being the Michael Jordan of football though.

Look forward to watching this. Thanks for the find.

Yeah I wonder what Howell, Ridder, Corral, etc would look like with Shanahan, those weapons, and that defense surrounding them. Not sure that thought experiment matters to the “Corral showed nothing in preseason” folks though.

I’m cool with disagreement and other opinions for sure. Your opinion is based on something that you can elaborate on. There is detail and thought to it. I really only take issue with those using preseason as the foundation of their opinion. Regarding the offense Corral ran, I see that more as a question mark than a knock on him. Similar to Young and Stroud playing at Bama and OSU. It’s not a knock they went to those schools, but it adds mystery to their individual ability. Either Kiffin ran that offense because it’s what Corral could do, or he ran it because it works. So Corral may be perfectly fine going through reads, but just did what he was asked, or he isn’t good at it, and the offense was simplified for him. Time will tell. Regarding injury, I’m torn on that too. He didn’t have much of an injury history at all until the end of his college career. He was plenty durable. Then he hurt his ankle, and played though the pain in the last part of the season, and then got hurt in the bowl game while playing through pain. Lisfranc happened of course too. So that (imo) is close to being a question mark too, as opposed to a knock. He may have just been unlucky. And what’s funny is that, had he not played through the injury, but rested and came back healthier, his college season may have ended differently, and his draft position may have changed too. Hard to tell. But there is enough natural ability, arm strength, and athleticism there that he absolutely was worth the draft pick. Particularly for a team needing a QB. We shall see how it goes. Hoping we keep 3 QB’s: a vet, Corral, and a rookie. With Reich and co, I’m hopeful they will figure it out.

Unfortunately a lot of people go after him and say he sucks. You aren’t one of them. You actually have a conversation. But, as evident by the “Icky is a bust” week 1 thread…plenty of people give up immediately on players, make up their mind, and stay there.

Maybe I should add /s to my post

Nah brotato chip it’s because he’s too small to play at this level and he ran RPO. RPO doesn’t work in the NFL. All in on Bryce Young no matter what it costs. True franchise QB no question marks.

Late to the party but see ya McAdoo

Who we are, and who we want to be perceived as. Often two very different things.

Howell in the 5th was silly even then. We should have taken him even after taking Corral in the 3rd.

Unfortunately people are going to use half a game of 4th string preseason with no reps to hypothetically under draft him. More teams are thirsty for QB this year, so although the class is deeper, I still think he goes anywhere in the first three rounds.

I do think that the rookie we draft/Corral will have the best chance of success here though. Great line (feels good to say that), Reich and co, and I’m sure we will add some weapons as well.

The questions that linger can’t be answered really. How would Stroud perform at Iowa instead of Ohio State? Would Young have been better than Corral at Ole Miss last year (and vice versa). The schools give me the biggest pause, and as I said, it doesn’t mean they aren’t legit; it’s just that it’s harder for people in our position to know. We are working with incomplete perspectives.

I think for a lot of people, they just don’t know about these QB’s and the risk is damn high. The top 2 QB’s are from schools that can hide deficiencies at the position. Doesn’t mean they aren’t great, but those programs always get production from the position. Young is the size of a slot receiver too. That’s risky. Might not matter but it causes a hesitation. Levis looks gawd awful at times this year. Might not be his fault, but who knows. Richardson is super raw, and has big questions marks to go with tantalizing potential. SO RISKY RISK RISK ALL OVER. Then I think of players like YGM who are busts as high picks, so ideally I’d like to keep our premium picks to take more shots at positions like edge to make up for said busts. If one of these QB’s drops to 6-8 then trade up, but imo there is just too many question marks in these guys to trade the farm for. Haven’t heard a convincing argument otherwise.

And @frankw, a quarterback who’s going to “win you games with that arm talent” (I assume you mean be the difference maker, or occasionally carry the team) isn’t what a bridge/backup level QB does. If they do that…then they start and get paid accordingly.