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Nah. This draft is too deep at WR and OL. It makes more sense to use those later picks on those players instead. A project QB that likely won't see the field for the next 2 years vs a WR or OL that could contribute and play day 1.

strato... come on. This is what I'm talking about. These are the hot takes that I just can't get with. If you don't like the guy, just say that. Making claims that he can't do things that he's done, is just hard to take in. If you don't think Bryce has a strong arm. ok. That is mostly subjective and you're entitled to your opinion. Saying he can't throw the ball 45 yards, is... I just can't. Does he have a Stroud, Levis, or Richardson arm? I can agree that he probably doesn't. But he does have a more than strong enough arm to play QB in the NFL. If arm strength were all that mattered then Cam, Culpepper, George, Vick, Cutler and Jamarcus Russell would all be 1st ballot HOFers. He can make every throw, or can improvise to make every throw needed - height can be an issue at times. Agree he needs to put a little more air on the deep balls. But he's thrown darts at 30+ yards. 90%+ of his passes will be less than that. I'm more interested in the 20-25 yards throws off platform at awkard arm angles that fall into receiver's hands.

I can see that. Quickness is similar, but Ladd probably has him beat in the straight line speed department.

I think Ladd McConkey is the Thielen upgrade. Thielen 3.0.

Nah. Not really.

And that's just blind pessimism to say he showed absolutely nothing last year. Nothing? All year? He showed alot. Not consistently enough to be a successful QB (winning games) in the NFL. The point is a lot of that had to do with his supporting cast, as we continue to state over and over. Maybe a better cast allows him to be more consistent. Maybe it doesn't. We'll see the next couple of seasons. I just choose to cheer for his success and point out his positives, rather than constantly point out his negatives and seemingly cheer for him to fail.

and he consistently got separation. and he consistently broke tackles. big play receiver that can't get a chance. thinking maybe he has a hard time picking up the offense. otherwise, WTF!

McConkey is the right choice. If they can get both, great. But, DO NOT pass on Ladd for Leggette!

what will it say? he looked bad last season. maybe wrong scheme or coaching?

I agree with this. But I think they need a year or 2 to figure out if the QB is the right guy, so they're spending a little more to keep him upright this season. Last year's cluster fug was a complete throw away, and he'll have to learn a second offense in his second season. Good times.

Swing tackles and guys that can play both guards and/or center are gold! It isn't a matter of if, but when. Even if they don't ever start, guys will get dings during games that cause them to sit out plays or drives. All it takes is one bad olineman to blow a play up.

The one thing this new regime has shown, is a willingness to part with underperformers or bad fits. If Bryce doesn't look more like a good NFL QB next season, barring injuries to him or key positions, I'm confident he'll be on the outs. Sooner rather than later. But I do think he gets a gimme on this past season. Like it or not, he was in one of the worst positions a rookie QB has ever experienced. From owner, to coaches, to supporting cast. It was a complete fiasco. Made for tv drama type crap going on behind the scenes. And there's a reason the entire interior oline is being replaced/revamped. There's a reason Dionte Johnson was brought in and they're looking for more help at the position. And they'll likely draft at least one more receiver, even if Williams is signed. Ickey probably only gets another season too. And he has enough arm. That was never an issue. Confidence - in himself, his receivers, and most importantly his protection played a role in him not letting it rip too often. But he showed plenty of zip on a lot of throws. And from some awkard angles. Saying he doesn't have a strong enough arm means there were NO throws that looked like legit NFL passes. And that's just not accurate. He will defintely need to improve on his deep ball accuracy too. That or take more shots. No one will remember the 2 you missed in the game, if you hit 2 others. Saw that with Stroud - alot. I guess labeling him a top 10 QB can be subjective. But if enough people say it, then it'll have to have some merit.

Donte is a good CB, not a great one. But he is definitely a good CB. He is an absolute steal for $4.75M per season though. Just understand that he'll get hurt and miss a few plays every game (usually after he gives up a big play), but he's a willing tackler and fights to separate the ball from the receiver.

Just matching the energies. Honestly, I wasn't even a Bryce guy. I wasn't a Stroud guy either to be fair. I didn't think the Panthers were ready to draft a QB last season. The roster was hot garbage, and I knew it wasn't ready for a rookie QB. My expectations were tempered last season. But I do think Bryce showed he was who we thought he was. He's actually way ahead of Stroud in a lot of ways (Stroud definitely has a stronger arm), but as a rookie, he looked bad A LOT due to all of the adversity. You would really have to look at the ALL 22 to see the details. It's almost impossible to see as a fan during the emotion of the game, and just wanting to see him make plays. I get that. But the ridiculously hot takes like he doesn't have an NFL arm, or he's too weak, or he's too slow, or he can't run, or he can't throw from the pocket, or he can't... Even when he did the thing they say he couldn't do, they still say he can't do it. Make that make sense. So far as supporting cast goes, I think he only needs NFL average to be successful. NFL average play book. NFL average playcalling. NFL average receivers. NFL average protection. Do you think the Panthers had NFL average in any of those areas? Of course not. But the expectation was that a rookie QB was gonna come in and somehow make everyone be above average. QB is the most dependent position on the field. One offensive lineman or RB can miss a block and ruin the play. One WR can run the wrong route or drop the ball (or fumble through the goal line). The OC and scheme can make the defense's job easy if it's basic and predictable. Unfortunately, there were way too many games where it was more than one guy missing blocks, dropping passes, and scheming bad plays with no plan.

Some of you guys are gonna look real dumb when Bryce Young becomes a top 10 QB in the NFL by 2025. Spoiler: he'll only need NFL average receivers and linemen to get there. Bonus Spoiler: many of you have no idea what you're looking at and are as emotional as a 3 year old little girl that can't stop thinking about waffles.

Yeah, I don't think this will be the type of offense that finds/creates mismatches. It'll be more "find the hole" in the defense and get the ball there as quickly as possible so the receiver can work his magic.

In a conventional offense, I'd agree with having X types, Y types and Z types. But if Bryce is the "processor" he was sold to be, then he just needs guys that can a) get open, and b) catch the catchable pass. I'm of the opinion that guys that understand route concepts and coverages/leverages so they can adjust real time are better fits than guys that can out jump or out run the competition.

Wow! Haven't had a off-season any where close to this since 2015.

If a team offers 2 firsts and a second? You have to trade him. Only franchise QBs are worth that in today's NFL. Definitely a haul for a DT! And I love DB. Everything about him.

Agree. A speedy, homerun hitter that can run zone read.

69 and I owe you one = 68

Nope

Not sure what that's supposed to mean. But I assure you I'm nobody's snipe hunt gip. I'm from the south, but I'm not "country".

Honestly, removing Burns almost guarantees it will be better. The pass rush will suffer a little. But the run defense will improve. Constantly out of position to set the edge and opening up running lanes.

Oh, you're right. My bad! But he's definitely hunting with a bow made out of orange wood and mule tendons.