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I don't know... I'd much rather have Chase and Montez than Brian Burns. Would have been crazy but maybe they could have been in on those 2 and then traded Burns in the offseason. They would have, at the very least, been able to get a 2nd and 3rd for Burns in the offseason. And likely could have signed both Chase and Montez for just a little more than what they're about to pay Burns.

Decent game by both QBs. They're rookies. They'll both get better! But to those that argued with me 2 weeks ago about these guys having different situations and you had to watch the games to see it... do you think we have a Dell, Nico or even Noah Brown on this team? Do you still think the oline protection is even remotely the same? Agree Houston couldn't get much of a run game going today though. Overall, I still don't see CJ doing anything BY isn't.

Action Jackson

More presnap motion and misdirection. The motion will help this receiving group get open by putting pressure on the defense to adjust, rather than sitting there in front of your guy in man-to-man waiting for the snap. Defenses have been too comfortable defending our receivers because they're not great route runners and/or they don't have the speed to pressure the defense. That little bit of indecisiveness from the defense would even help the oline in run and pass blocking. Defenses have just been pinning back their ears and going after Bryce, because the playcalling has been pretty straight forward. Panthers don't have the QB or the receivers for that style of football. The Rams also use that motion to give receivers and TEs a head start and full head of steam on kick out run blocks and misdirections off of that. Making it harder to know where the ball is going. I can really see Mingo and Tremble bullying folks in that role. If Sanders is back, that presnap motion to him to beat coverage in pass plays and giving Chuba more room to run. Endless possibilities. A ton of ways to help receivers get open that Reich wasn't using. Reich now gets more of an opportunity to help lead and direct every aspect of the game instead of just the offense. Personnel, defense, special teams, clock management, etc. All should get equal share of his attention.

and DJ while we're at it...

I voted for a positive only thread, but as I read comments I'm not so sure that's the best approach. There just seems to be a lack of objectivity - and that can go both ways. The emotionally mature approach would be to not allow OTHERS to dictate YOUR emotions. I'm guilty of that, but only for a short time. When I realize I've given them too much power, I tend to mellow out and come back to a discussion among fans of the same team. That's all this is. Discussions about topics related to a team we are all fans of. It should never be personal. I think that's where the MODs are probably needed most. Correcting those little (or sometimes completely out of line) personal comments that aren't necessary.

I like the way you think. Right or wrong. I like the way you think.

Gotcha. I didn't realize that was the case because in the Saints game, they looked a lot better than anything Carolina has done all season. I'm not a Texans fan so I hadn't seen a full game yet. I had only been watching highlights and stat lines for CJ, but decided to actually watch him play and came away thinking he's really good for a rookie, but I didn't see where he was sooo much better than BY. The RBs and receivers were making plays all over the place. But, apparently that was an outlier and not the norm.

In this scenario, couldn't Tepper just offer him more money to stay as OC until Reich is out? That's probably best case for Brown anyway.

Bryce definitely needs to take more shots downfield. No friggin doubt about that. But is isn't just the separation. It's winning at the point of attack. Thielen and Tremble seem to be the only recievers that can catch a contested ball. And there isn't a receiver that can just go get it if you put it up there. Down 5 points on the 30 yard line with the clock running out. Who's making that play?

Reich could prove himself to be a much better HC than offensive playcaller. Hopefully... Prayerfully...

Yes! or 4 games at once, which is what I was doing. I can't give a full 3 hours to just Carolina right now. It's just demoralizing and makes football not fun. So you watched both games and came away thinking Stroud looked better then Bryce? Please explain. Seriously. I'm curious. What did Stroud do that looked better than Young to you? No judgment or response from me on your opinion.

I'm going by what you said. You said you watched his snaps from YT. I'm not trying to win an argument. I'm just offering a different POV based on what I saw watching the games. You can choose to stay in Bryce is horrible mode if that's your choice. Stroud can be better than Bryce and Bryce can still be good. Those two things can be true at the same time. Just like Bryce could be just as good as Stroud but Bryce doesn't win any games. They can both exist at the same time.

Bruh... How can I say this to get through to some of yall? Watch the game. The flow of the game. The timeliness of playcalling and big runs. Pass protection. Separation of receivers. It's different when you WATCH the game! Watch the game. Not the highlights and stat line. Watch the game! The game has a different feel than when you're just watching his throws or his highlights. If you WATCH the GAME!

Did you watch Houston play yesterday?

The Lions and the Dolphins score in bunches though. Legit super bowl contenders.

Or never. His hand may have been forced here. Not throwing a bunch of screens to Thielen. Using Laviska more. Taking Zavala out of the lineup. Taking Ian out of the lineup as a pass catcher and using Tremble more. All changes are improving the offense, but they were forced on him. I'm getting a Rivera vibe with him.

Again, the stats aren't telling the full story - at least not from what I watched yesterday. You can't watch the stat line and highlights to get the full story. There was a huge lean on the run on their scoring drives. Like they moved the ball down the field mostly from 5-10+ yards runs. May have been bad runs in places to give them a low average (didn't score alot), but they moved the ball on a few drives primarily from running it. Then, gave Stroud a chance to get it in the endzone once they were close. I watched the games simultaneously with the Sunday Ticket. It's really obvious when you watch both games at the same time. Stroud is really good for a rookie. I am not denying that. Never did. But he makes mistakes. He misses easy throws too. His timing is off at timeswhen the protection breaks down. But he's a rookie so that is to be expected. But the team picks him up all the time. He's throwing to guys that are actually open - alot. Not just NFL open, but OPEN OPEN. Watch the game. Just the scoring drives if you don't have much time. And tell me what you think about weapons and playcalling compared to what's here in Carolina.

Playcalling was much improved yesterday and better protection than usual. There were a couple of pass plays when Bryce had all day to throw. But driving and down 28-14 on 3rd and 1, he called a pass play. Chuba was moving the sticks all day on short yardage. Then passed again on 4th and 1, to turn the ball over. That's the type of stuff that baffles me. If Bryce was supposed to choose the play, then they need to take that decision away from him.

The game will be eye opening to anyone without an agenda. If you watch the Texans play, you'll easily notice that Stroud isn't asked to carry the team like Bryce is. If you just look at highlights and stats, then you don't really see how effective their run game is. You don't see how many gimme's CJ misses. You don't see the degree of separation his targets get, particularly compared to Carolina's receivers. They are in 2 completely different situations. I mean it's really not remotely the same, and an unfair comparison.

Nah bruh. Hard pass.

RB carries, screens, jet sweeps, drags, slants, whip routes. That's all he'd do for me. But he'd get 10-15 touches a game. Every game.

He has better vision than Chuba and Sanders (that ain't saying much) and he's more physical than Sanders. And he does have the ability to break a big play. We say that last year. I can't for the life of me understand why this guy isn't getting more touches. He isn't a pure WR but neither is Deebo, yet SF finds a way to get him involved every game because he's a playmaker. If a good player doesn't fit your scheme, then you adjust your frickin scheme for the good player!

Can I go there? Have they made the movie yet? Guess not on the movie. In that scenario Cam is probably still winning MVPs and Lombardis. At least for another 5 years.

So true! Rivera had the friggin chosen one at QB and decided to focus on defense instead. If he would have spent the resources to build around Cam rather than trying to improve his defense... That's why I wanted an offensive minded HC over a defensive one. Unfortunately Reich seems to be some mutt hybrid that can't/won't get out of his own way.