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If you don't think a guy can run by you, you let them eat your cushion because you can always catch them. DBs were down right disrespectful to our receivers this year. If you respect a guys speed, you give him 10 yards and turn to run when he's 2-3 yards away.

Are you saying Bryce can't play under center? I disagree. He showed that he could.

Pootie, they got a whole new coaching staff. An OC from the baby-Shanahan tree. Chark's game in Green Bay was the norm for them plus they were YAC machines. That's not just a QB. That's an offensive scheme. If nothing else, we know Bryce can throw a wr screen. Our WRs just can't do anything with them. Houston's big 3 could all take it the distance anytime. You have to respect all 3. Carolinas receivers are all basically possession receiver athletes, that run bad routes, and can't catch consistently.

I don't necessarily believe in Bryce. But I do like his ability to escape the pocket once he decides to go, and his ability to make guys miss in the open field. He prefers to pass with anticipation, but he wasn't on the same page as his receivers most of the season, so that doesn't work. The one game (really 2-3 quarters) when he got NFL average protection and receiver play (meaning they caught the catchable passes - still no YAC), he looked fairly good. Amazing how is arm strength suddenly wasn't an issue when 300 pounds men wasn't in his lap all game. Go get Ben Johnson. Increase Marsette's role in the passing game, draft a 3rd round WR with speed and route running ability, and go get a #1 receiver in FA. Find a few serviceable average starter level interior linemen in the draft and FA, and give Bryce a chance to sink or swim. He'll decide his own fate.

Maybe. But his suck wouldn't be nearly as bad as his suck in Carolina. Houston receivers will drop balls on occasion too, but they'll turn a 5 yards slant into a 75 yards TD the next play. No one does that in Carolina.

I think the Panthers did too. Honestly, the wheels fell off when the entire oline became turnstiles. Hard to reach too deep into the playbook when the QB is running for his life most of the game.

Ok. But if your first read isn't open, then you go through your progressions. If you're constantly getting to your 3rd or 4th option before a guy is open, then playcalling is failing you. Assuming you don't have a #1 that can get open at a high win rate.

I think they all have made big plays that can't be attributed to the QB. Don't forget the TE Schultz. He's making plays too. And their OC is from SF. He's a big contributing factor to their offensive turnaround. As is CJ Stroud. He's playing very well for a rookie.

Bro. I'm concerned some of these posters have never played football. Sure a QB can hold the ball too long at times, but QBs are mostly sacked from a lineman getting beat and/or coverage. Sacks and QB hurries are attributed to offensive linemen and TEs. Though WRs and playcalling can be just as responsible as a QB holding the ball too long.

Only because the plays scheme him open and the line gives his QB time to find him. And that's assuming he doesn't drop the first two balls a game that hit him in the face/hands.

I promise you that DBs don't sit on receivers because they don't think a QB can beat them deep. It's about not respecting the receiver's ability to get open on them. No DB can outrun a pass.

Seems ridiculous to me that anyone thinks a QB is supposed to make guys block effectively, get open, catch the ball, then run with it afterwards. Maybe I'm different. I just look at QBs as players. Important players. But just players. An elite team can win with average QB play. A bad team will lose with an elite QB.

And just remember that Bryce's best game was when his #1 receiver made plays that 95% of #1 receivers would make 95% of the time. Though I'm pretty sure he had a few drops early in that game too. The receiving Corp was a collection of 3s and 4s that no defense respected or feared as threats. Couple that with an oline that went on long streaks of horrible play with a couple of decent moments sprinkled in here and there, and not sure what I should/could have expected from the QB. He's not the type of athlete to force his will. He seems like the type of QB that takes what you give him. Brees was essentially that guy too. But he did it at a very high level and he had a playcaller that could scheme his butt off. Bad human being but a great play caller/schemer.

That is a perfectly acceptable stance for you. It really is. I just think the QB position relies on others to be successful. He can't do anything without someone else. He needs WRs to get open, the oline to protect him, and a playcaller to keep the defense guessing/scheme receivers open. Bryce isn't a Cam or Lamar that can win a game solely with their legs. He is what they thought he was. A point guard. I don't think he needs a team of pro bowlers, but he does need NFL average everywhere to be successful. I will say he's a lot more elusive than I thought he was. I think his ceiling is a high end game manager.

Not a believer in anyone on this offense. Maybe Chuba. Maybe Marsette as a playmaker, but don't know if he can play wide receiver due to a lack of reps. As far as Bryce goes, he gets an incomplete in my book. A rookie at the hardest and most dependent position, with a supporting cast that is well below league average. He was set up to fail. Is he great? I seriously doubt it. Can he be good enough to win the NFCS? Don't know.

I don't think you understand how it works. Defense has no fear of these WRs. I could be out there throwing to Tyreke Hill and I promise you they'd have help over the top.

Why is Marsette not in the game? He needs Mingos reps.

Ya'll so goofy. Mahomes has an unconventional drop back and he hops too. So I guess he needs to clean all that up too, huh? Bryce gets beat the F up every game. The one game he didn't get beat up (well, after they replaced Jensen), he passed for 300 yards and 2 TDs with no turnovers. He definitely needs to improve on his decision making and coming off of covered receivers sooner, but let's not act like the playcalling is superior. I think Thompson can be good, but he's a brand new playcaller! He needs time before he gets there, particularly with an oline that can't hold and receivers that can't get consistent separation - or catch the ball consistently. Marsette needs to take Mingo's reps. Period. Bryce Young needs to step up on the chances he gets. Agree. Yes. But... if you get you're getting your tail blown up all game, it's hard to sit in the pocket and step into throws. Ya'll aren't being realistic. The dude is not a machine. Those hits don't feel good, but he's supposed to assume the oline will hold on every play? Nah, stop the cap. If any one of ya'll we're getting your ish pushed in the way he does every game, I promise you, you'd have happy feet and look to escape the pocket at the first sign of a break down. I don't give a F what your charts say. Last Sunday was not NFL average protection. Not even close.

There's been a lot of shuffling at the OG positions. That has made a huge difference in the way the offense can run. Judging by last week, they may have finally found a combination that makes protection at least NFL average. Thomas looks more willing to call plays downfield and BY looks more willing to take shots. That was the cause of a lot of the Panthers issues - at least offensively.

Jags like to run off tackle. Panthers starting DEs, particularly Burns, are inconsistent setting the edge. That's gonna make for a long day. The way Jones just ran all over this defense, Etienne is gonna feast. And he's a better receiving back. Evero has his work cut out for him. He's really gonna have to mix things up - with personnel and alignment. He tried against Green Bay, but it didn't really work. Not sure what can be done. Maybe a spy that isn't a pure LB. Chinn maybe. I don't know. This one is gonna be tough. Panthers will probably have to score alot to stay in this one.

Imagine if they had let Jensen stay in the game. Everyone would still be trashing Bryce Young on how he has a noodle arm and can't read defenses. Meanwhile he's running from DTs and LBs as soon as he completes his dropback, or best case he can't step into a throw because of a dirty pocket. Or he'll never be able to play in the NFL because of how bad his footwork is - and it's 100% uncorrectable. And no one would realize that Chark could actually get open and make plays if given more than 2 seconds before his QB had to bail on the play.

Really hate it that our new QB will have to learn yet another offense in his 2nd year in the NFL. That, along with some major changes in personnel is not how you help a young player. Consistency is extremely important to young guys learning the game at the highest level.

Receivers didn't get good all of a sudden. Thomas is using guys like they SHOULD be used and not just forcing concepts, like Chark being a deep route guy. He isn't that right now. And whoever is making the personnel decisions... where have you been? The improved protection is making the QB and the receivers look light years better. And no idea why Marsette wasn't getting burn. We all could see it, but Reich couldn't. He needs to be a key cog in the offense. Easily the best playmaker on the team.

Thinking the same thing. Maybe just wanted to take advantage of the penalty - 1 yard? That's all I got.

That's 100% on the receiver/TE that fell down. That's a completion if he doesn't fall.