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So FORMER employees influence your current analysis? Honestly sounds a little conspiracy theory like to me. But it's possible I guess.

This is what I mean. I am not some huge BY fan. I honestly don't look at QBs the way a lot of you guys do. Right or wrong, I've always looked at them as just another cog in the machine. Didn't want BY or even a trade up for a QB in 2023. We saw in the Super Bowl how important the rest of the team is on any given Sunday. Now... so PFF, who has no reason to prop up BY, says he's first in 2 stat lines and Panthers "fans" are arguing why it's either wrong or a made up stat just to make BY look good. Even though they have multiple stat lines where he's literally last in. Like 32nd in the NFL. Some he's even lower than 32. Take a step back. Try to objectively self analyze. This is just not sensible. Same thing I see with other teams' fans and their QBs though. We analyze every single throw on every single play. For every other QB, most here are only using highlights to judge. Makes a difference. We saw Stafford miss throws when they played Carolina - both games. We saw Love throw crap up when they played Carolina. We saw Dak miss throws when they played Carolina - and Pickens was putting on a SHOW. We saw Josh Allen win a game with 163 yards passing against Carolina, but if BY does it he's crap and can't pass for 200 yards. Gents... come on.

Please explain. Not understanding Thielen as a training wheel.

I don't know. The NFL makes up their own rules, particularly under the personal conduct policy. I wouldn't expect him to play much next season, even if he hasn't had his day in court.

I haven't seen anyone say it'll be easy next season. Personally think major improvements with regards to pass rush and offensive playmakers are needed to take the next step. Won 8 games after playing 7 playoff teams and both superbowl teams in 2025. And that's with Hunt, Chuba and Coker injured most of the season. A rookie and XL were your top 2 WRs. Rozeboom was your green dot LB. Have to think there will be improvements in WR and pass rush, just because the top guys aren't rookies anymore. Long shot for 9-10 wins, but it's possible.

That's not good enough for an extension.

What if Bryce hits 4000 yards and 30 TDs? Would that be sufficient? Should that be the goal this season? I don't know if the team will be good enough to win 9+ games this season.

Yeah I 100% agree that fullbacks and special teams players don't count. But would you rather have XL, Bryce or Ickey over Kuechley, CMC or a Kyle Hamilton? Marginal players at "high value" positions don't move the needle like exceptional players at "lower value" positions. Plays are needed at every level on offense and defense. Particularly in the NFL, where the margin of error is so small. Winning or losing usually comes down to a few plays. You need guys that'll make them. Not a bunch of guys that are just keeping their heads above water.

Either way, if Bryce doesn't play well then you DO NOT extend him. Just bring in a bridge vet until you're ready to go in on your rookie QB. If he's not willing to play on the 5th year option in that case, then trade/release. Still too many questions to go all in with a major payday.

I generally disagree with the concept of picking a position because of value early in the draft. For instance, if there's a really good safety, RB or ILB at pick 10, I'm choosing him over a project WR or DE. Better players make the team better. A bunch of ok players will give you an ok team. The number 1 goal of the draft should be to improve the overall talent on the team. Not to fill positions of need. Deciding beforehand that you're picking a LT in the first or second round because Ickey went down is not the way to improve the team. Now if Dan has similar grades on 2 or 3 players and one happens to be a LT, then yeah go for it. But don't pass on your guy at ILB because you have a gap at LT or need to improve the pass rush with a DE. When those guys don't pan out then you haven't improved your team. But that LB could have been a franchise cornerstone for years to come. See Luke Kuechly and Christian McCaffrey.

If he can make the switch, I always thought that was more of a prototypical RT than LT. Could be an OG too. Honestly, they can't keep paying offensive linemen like they have and probably should be drafting replacements for everyone this year and next. If they were an overpowering group, then maybe. But too much capital for just slightly above average group - some times.

That's usually the narrative when there aren't highly touted QBs or DEs. Off ball LB is the position this year. And there are some really good prospects. WRs are deep too. No generational level guys but very deep with solid options. I would target CJ Allen in the 1st. I want a real ILB. Not a pass rusher that can move back. Not a safety that can move up. He's smart, tough, instinctive and durable. Dude had surgery on his meniscus and missed one game. One game. And... he's only played LB. Watching him control guards with his hands andsift through the garbage to get to the ball is refreshing. That's my guy in the 1st.

Carolina will win 11 games next season. +3 wins is the trend for the Bryce Young era. 2023 - 2 wins 2024 - 5 wins 2025 - 8 wins 2026 - 11 wins It is written.

Pretty sure Brady left due to the lack of weapons in New England. There were some saying he left because of general disagreements with BB and the way he ran the team. But I think he realized that he couldn't be successful with the team of receivers around him - other than Gronk. BB wanted to give short contracts to everyone not named Edelman.

beat me to it

I wouldn't expect him to sign for more than 2 years. That's gambling on yourself. He seems like the type.

Yeah, he's played 2 years and never surpassed 500 yards or 3 TDs in a season. He isn't getting top WR money. Just like Bryce wouldn't get top QB money if he was extended. If Coker was extended for $4M average per season, that would be a slight over payment, and I'm sure he'd take it without hesitation.

4 years. Then decide which one to trade for a first rounder. The replacement should already be in place by then via draft.

The padded practice restrictions have definitely impacted the game. 14 padded practices during the 18 weeks season and no more than one per week. That's crazy to me. But... As for Legette, he probably is in the best place possible to learn under those restrictions. But drills will only go so far. And it really isn't drills for him. It's knowing all the little intricancies of how to be a WR. That only comes from game experience, in my opinion. Being put in different situations at game speed. Hopefully he puts everything into this offseason. I'm cheering for him. This team needs him.

I really don't think that's the case. There just aren't enough days in training camp or practices during the season to get the reps he needs. I think he needs to be playing ball everyday (at least a couple of times a week) during the offseason. Slow down with all the drills and working out. Just play ball. That's where he needs to improve.

Probably right. I remember seeing videos of him running routes and lateral quickness drills last offseason. I don't think that's his problem.

XL has all the physical tools to be great, but he doesn't possess the skill and knowledge intangibles. But honestly those guys are all over the NFL. On practice squads. His offseasons should consist of 7v7 only. He has all the athletisicm he'll ever need. Quick enough. Fast enough. Big enough. Strong enough. But just not a very good WR right now. What he's missing will only improve with time on the field with someone correcting him real time in game situations. Catching passes in traffic. Working his way back to the ball whenever he can. Knowing where he is on the field. Highpointing whenever he can. Pushing off without leaving your arms extended. Waiting until the ball is there before putting your hands up to catch. Tracking the ball over his outside shoulder. Leaving room on the sideline for your QB to place the ball on deep routes. I mean there's alot he needs to improve on. Some of it is related, so figuring out one will help him on another. Unfortunately, there aren't enough NFL practices or games to do it all. Just go play football as much as possible with a trainer. That would be my suggestion.

this is where I am. I can't say that he is the guy yet. But I also can't say that he isn't. This team is still missing a lot of pieces, and is very young at key positions and coaches.

Paradis and Bozeman. Forgot about those dudes. Trauma response? Probably.

Agree. They absolutely need to build a more complete roster. But let's also acknowledge that they had the worst pass blocking interior oline in the NFL, and a receiving group highlighted by a 33 years old possession receiver. Those areas needed to be addressed for whoever you put back there. But agree with their approach after the 2023 season. You should do everything in your power to give the #1 pick in the draft every opportunity to succeed (maybe not panic spend for OGs). Particularly if you mortgage the farm to go up and get him. Not sure if it was saving face as much as improving a very bad roster. Now do I think they should have gone up to get Bryce (or CJ or anyone) in 2023? Heck no.