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What are you even talking about? You said Delhomme made deep passes to Muhsin. I said Young made deep passes to TMac and Coker. I never once said Muhsin was some blazer, but he did have more speed than TMac and Coker are. He also had a speed guy on the other side of the field to help open things up for him. Just because I'm not crapping on Bryce doesn't mean I'm defending him.

Yeah Murray is a freak! Small, fast and crazy arm talent. Doubt he'd come here for peanuts though.

Cupp is another 100 skill level player. If we think TMac and Coker are on that level right now, then that's just not being honest. And the Rams have always had a blazer out there that teams had to back up for. We have XL. But I agree, Bryce needs to take more shots deep.

Right... and Bryce Young has thrown it over defenders' heads with a rookie TMac and a 2nd year Coker. Both considerably slower than Muhsin. Speed matters. It's not always running past people straight down the field. A guy that can run routes and then blow by you is dangerous and will always need to be accounted for - usually with more than one DB.

Yeah. Find me another team in the NFL where their 2 best WRs run mid 4.5s. Speed ain't everything, but let's not act like it doesn't matter in coverage. The narrative has been that defenses creep up because Bryce can't throw over their heads. Nah, it's because our receivers are slow. Unless you want to count XL, Mingo and DJ Chark. But then that whole skill thing is thrown out the window. Edit: Actually the Rams don't have speed with Puka and Devante. But their skill levels are some of the best the league has seen. That's the only other team I can think of.

I agree. Prove that he can't do it or just let him have at it. Can't keep trying to protect him. I mean this is football.

Yeah I can't tell who's a LB from that still. Okay researched the numbers. #42 and #7 are LBs dropping back into coverage. Not sure who the free rusher is. They sent 4 guys against 5 offensive linemen and ended up with a free rusher. That's friggin insane.

Yes on his only attempt.

That and a lack of situational awareness there. He's just better when he has room to operate and not have to think about too many things at once. Catch the ball, then run to daylight. Keep it simple and plain.

If Moore is back, XL will drop to 4th and backup to Coker. Probably best for now that'll give him favorable match ups inside the numbers. Keep that dude away from the sidelines.

Pretty sure Joe Flacco played his 5th year without an extension in place. I think they tried to lowball him and he bet on himself. It has happened before but that one comes to mind since he won a Super Bowl with the Ravens.

The QB replacements you named were #6 in the draft, #1, #1 and Mr. Irrelevant. i just ignored Mr. Irrelevant as he's an outlier to ever even make a team. Malik was a 3rd rounder and I wouldn't pay a lot of money to him. I'd probably be more open to the higher drafted guy that has shown me something in his career. And if Bryce earns a top 5 (or #1) pick, then that should be in play for his replacement. As for WRs, I agree. Speed doesn't mean good. Most teams have a good player like Thielen and Moore that can also run sub 4.5. That isn't the fastest guy by any stretch but it's fast enough to pressure a DB if he's a good route runner. A good CB will just sit on a guy that runs a 4.57. He ain't worried about him running by him. Horn might be a guy but he can't get on the field. XL? Well. I'm not hopeful for my fellow South Carolinian.

Love the analogy. Though I wouldn't marry someone for looks alone, if she looks good with sweats and a hairnet, she can get wifed up. That and she isn't bat ish crazy. Don't ever marry bat ish crazy. You'll have bat ish crazy kids too. Trust the old guy. Honestly Bryce is not in a position to make ultimatums. He just isn't. His case his unique and he knows it. So does his agent. We've seen QBs gamble on themselves before. Some have won. Some have lost. None have forced the team's hand if they have never put up numbers that demand it.

No way they pass on Jalen Carter at 9. That was a Star Lotulelei opportunity. Now every other pick is definitely subject to be screwed. As for those QB replacements, if we can find a top 6 draft pick that'll come in to replace BY for the cheap, that's different than paying too much for a 3rd rounder that's never done anything. If Bryce earns us a top 5 pick again, then we should definitely consider replacing him if our guy is available when we're on the clock. And still. I can't say for certain what Bryce will be. You're more confident than I am in terms of BY's final product. I think the team still doesn't have a strong receiving group. Though in a year or 2, this group could be really good. They're just young right now and make a lot of young player mistakes. A player like BY doesn't do well with that. He's been most productive with reliable guys that are where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there - even older guys like Thielen and Moore. Carolina really needs a guy like that, that runs a sub 4.5. Most NFL teams have at least one.

Adam Thielen had 1000 yards with rookie Bryce. I guess he's using that as comparison. Just kidding. Calm down.

Honestly. You can see it on the field. Bryce will literally skip a pass on the ground rather than throw a contested catch to XL. Especially when it's one where XL would have to fight back to the ball. Coker is actually really good at that. Coker lacks real NFL speed (not a small thing), but he maxes out in most other categories.

Yeah, he also said Mingo was the guy. Guess .500 is better then .000

Agree TMac has elite potention. But for right now, who would you throw to with the game on the line? One play to win it all? Who would get open? Who would you trust most to make the catch right now?

Not to mention DJ Moore at WR, probably Jalen Carter instead of moving up to get BY (he would have fallen right in our laps - Carter and Derrick Brown, damn!), anyone but Mingo since we'd still have DJ. Not sure CMC would be here. That wasn't a move for a QB. But not giving up draft picks for Sam Darnold too. You can't get into the habit of switching QBs like that. It could take a decade before you find the guy. And another 5-10 years to rebuild the rest of the team because of what you gave up to get them. Build the team, then get the QB. Sure, take a flyer on a day 2/3 guy in the draft or a FA as a project. But changing QBs, HCs and GMs every year or so is not a recipe for success.

I watch quite a few games too, so hear you on that. Question for you... Do you think Bryce would be better if he took more shots downfield, or do you think he wouldn't be able to pull it off because of limitations?

I know one team that would choose him over the first round WR they traded up to get.

Not bold at all. Actually very conservative. Malik could become worse than Bryce on his worst days for all we know. Picking him up as a backup with backup money and expectations is fine (with an opportunity to win the position), but penciling him in as the starter over BY is probably not prudent.

Plus a couple of stand up LBs, and a couple of offensive guys that make defenders miss in the open field (WR, RB or TE), a real Nickel and a true FS type that can cover. Other than that, we're pretty good.

That's an overly optimistic take. Particularly because of the limited action part. To say you'd take that guy over any 3 years starter in the NFL is a tough one. The devil you know is better than the one you don't. We have no idea who Malik Willis is or will be because he hasn't played enough.

I mean I don't know the down and distance, but this can't be the answer for "show me how defenses play the run and force Bryce Young to beat you". There are only 4 d linemen and maybe 1 LB on the field. They are obviously playing the pass. And yes, Bryce missed multiple opportunities in that game with too many dink and dunks and locking onto WRs from the snap. He isn't normally THAT bad though. This was probably the worse I've ever seen him.