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You'll get no arguments from me in anything you just posted. I'd add that every pick of the 2024 draft was a futures pick. Every single one. Wouldn't be as egregious if there weren't starter level talents staring them in the face through the first 5 rounds.

Very true. Most times it's trauma responses that you have to deal with or learn to accept. Plus less testosterone as you age. That ish is a killer.

XL will be a really good player. Not the best receiver of the class, but a great playmaker. And... he'll take time to reach his potential. He's a futures pick. Everyone knew it when he was chosen. Why are we surprised now? Bryce Young is better with true receivers. Technicians. Route runners. He's not as backyard football as the FO led us to believe.

I think DC will need to dial up deep shots as the #1 option. Unfortunately that's not a pass Bryce seems to excel at as a #3+. When he does take a shot late, he rushes it and doesn't step into the pass in those cases. Often leading to an overthrow /inaccurate. Seems to be just putting it out there for the receivers to go get instead of dropping it in the basket like he does if its his first read. Panthers may not have that receiver to go get it yet. Hopefully XL as the season progresses. Bryce does have weaknesses. As does every QB in the league.

Yeah... DJ Moore was better after the catch than before. Plus he was a fumbler early on as well. Sometimes players just take time to develop into their final form.

Nope. The Jets practice showed that the oline couldn't block - particularly stunts and delayed blitzes. A rookie QB can't learn to be an NFL QB if he isn't protected. At least a little.

Not really, but the stupid ish you spew is ridiculously flawed and short sided.

Wait, wasn't that John Keynes? My undergrad was Economics. Definitive statements that won't change shouldn't be made if you want to leave room to change your stance. Bryce won't get taller so saying he's too short to ever be an effective QB is not a statement you'd want to make. Same with arm strength being the worst in the NFL, etc.

Every pick in the draft is a project player. Every single one. Except maybe Brooks if he can get to 100% by week 1. But currently, I'd have to fit him in the project category too. He'll need a few weeks to get into game shape after he begins practicing. Ladd, Kool-aid and Wilson are all ready to contribute this season. Could have easily drafted all 3.

Man, I don't agree with that either. But, hopefully they have a plan. I hope. I think they'll manufacture touches for him because of his YAC ability.

Ladd McConkey would have had 70+ receptions this year with Bryce Young. They're a great match. But the front office has a plan. I think. I hope.

We knew XL was a project with all the physical traits - and he competes for YAC. Something no receivers really showed last season sans maybe ISM with limited opportunities. Diontae Johnson is not like any receiver this team has had in... maybe ever. He and Thielen best fit Bryce Young. Steve Smith was small but he didn't play like it. Not so much a route runner, as he was a playmaker when the ball was in the air. And a YAC MONSTER! DJ is probably someone they really want to extend. Hopefully he also changes their approach to wide receivers in the draft - if bryce young works out.

Are y'all not seeing what I'm seeing in practice? They're completing passes on a healthy Jaycee Horn. On Thielen's sideline catch, there was no separation. The throw created separation, not the route. On DJohnson's route over the middle, there was no separation over Horn. The throw was placed perfectly to allow the completion. Young has a long way to go to prove he can be a franchise QB, but some of y'all don't get to change your position later on if/when he turns it around. Your takes and strongly definitive negative opinions leave no room for correction. None.

Linebacker, d-line, and running backs. The Panthers have always been strong at those positions. Not so much now. Secondary survived because they could pressure the QB only sending 4. Now, they have to bring everything but the kitchen sink just to make the QB move in the pocket. Good times.

I think the team lacked a 50/50 guy on the outside more than anything. It's pretty hard to get wide open deep in the NFL - unless you have that Tedd Ginn/Tyreek Hill speed. The jump ball guys are more likely now adays. Hopefully Legette and/or Coker can serve in that role. There was no one all season last year that could go up and snatch it from a defender.

He was a rookie. I think those "plays" will become more consistent. He really didn't seem as risk adverse at Alabama. I think he lost all confidence last year. Confidence in himself, his line, his coaches and his receivers. Hopefully he can regain some sense of swag this season.

Yeah, Bryce has a lot of work to do - no doubt. Biggest being simply taking more shots downfield IMHO. But the OC needs to develop a playbook and call plays that work for him and the rest of the team. I do believe the playbook didn't match the players. None of them really, except maybe Chuba. It was bad. Design more plays that get him outside of the pocket. Not just, well drop back and if you don't like it, then scramble and outrun the best athletes on the field, so that you can have a chance to throw the ball to underdeveloped receivers (and 1 aging vet).

Honestly, don't know if I agree with this 2.7s thing. Bryce is better outside of the pocket than in it. 2.7s indicates they want him to be a pocket passer. At 5'10", I'm not sure how realistic that is. I know they want him to be a Drew Brees, but he really does play more like Mahomes - to a much lesser degree of course.

Young is tiny in comparison to Cam. But Cam isn't an average QB. Everybody that knows or has met him in passing comments on how much bigger he was in person than they expected. That mofo is a Mack truck personified!

He has better edge help on the other side now, so he'll probably average 12 sacks or so and people will get all excited. Not realizing they were all from 7 or 8 games and he was targetted against the run the whole time. Those sacks will be fluff numbers in NY and everyone will say how bad of a trade it was.

I don't get why a lot can't see this. I think the defense is better without him and his one splash play every 2-3 games. Consistent pressure on the QB is vastly more impactful than the occassional super sack. Being able to set the edge is crucial to stopping the run. Off tackle runs are your back breaker, big runs.

Sorry. No I don't see it. You're suggesting the Panthers do something that no team does, for good reasons. Teams don't draft a QB #1 if they already have a guy, or if they plan to go out and get a guy during free agency. Preseason competition is not real for #1 draft picks. They're starting day one. If you have 2 QBs, you don't really have any. That's why Cam couldn't get on a team as a backup.

I seriously doubt it. But it was never a real competition. It never is with a #1 pick QB.

No man. No rookie QB beats out the best FA QB. You could say he has a higher ceiling, but as a rookie he ain't no where near that. A quality 5 or 6 year vet will usually win more games in the same situation.

Y'all trippin real hard right now. What team with any sense will draft a QB #1 overall and then bring in a vet that could legit take his job in the first year or two? It's one or the other. Never both. This offense was so devoid of talent that I can't say any player is good enough or not. TMJ is 6'3" and ran a 4.4. Mingo is 220 and ran a 4.46. They both looked slow last season. Last year was a fiasco. Every player on the offense gets a do-over. Every single one. Except for those guards. They sucked so bad. Guys off the street, half way into the season looked considerably better.