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How many times has this team's front office skipped the consensus player for "their guy"? It's an embarrassing amount of times.

You all do realize that if Bryce Young flops, the Panthers are bottom dwellers for the next 3+ seasons, right? This team will be in QB purgatory for the foreseeable future. They'll have to get lucky to get out. And the mascot is literally a black cat. Like who wants that?! I know ya'll keep saying you hope he figures it out, but... Those "buts" are so much louder than the "hope he figures it outs." Like you really want this dude to fall on his face and flame out. Is that what we really want? So you can say you were right the whole time? Just so you know, it's really hard to come to this site and constantly read how bad this team and is gonna be - from its friggin fans! Fans are supposed to support a team. Not crap on its most important player at a very crucial point in his career. Being a fan means you don't have to be so damn "realistic". Cowboys fans think they're gonna win the Super Bowl every year, and they ain't even sniffed a Super Bowl appearance since the 90's. Some miserable mofos. Just miserable. I guess some people really do just want to watch the world burn.

If he would have been there at the Panthers' 5th rounder, then maybe. But taking Spencer when the second best TE was still available in the 4th wouldn't have been wise. I agree though. I think Spencer will be a good QB in the NFL. The Saints got a steal. He'll be a starter for them or great draft capital at some point.

Having a competent backup QB is a blessing and a curse. If your #1 gets injured, then you have a guy that can keep the train on track. But... every time the starter makes a mistake, fans will be calling for the backup. But... a good young backup can demand real draft capital when it's time to renew a contract. So, there's that. If he's better than the #1, then you have more options and leverage. Unfortunately the Panthers aren't in a position to go that route yet. Once the team is brought up to NFL average, then moves like that become a real possibility. Regardless if you're sold on Bryce Young or not, this team has/had too many holes to fill to make luxury draft picks like a good young backup QB. One day. One day.

Love how this conversation has developed. This is an actual football conversation. I think Canales has watched enough tape to formulate a plan for what he wants THIS offense to be. That's the advantage of bringing in young offensive minds. They're progressive and flexible. The draft and free agency was based on Canales' vision for THIS offense. I don't think a lot of what his past offenses looked like will necessarily dictate what this one looks like.

Yep. Because the team will be stuck in mediocrity with an average QB - nevermind that would be 5 more wins in his sophomore season. Can't make this stuff up.

I don't know why they won't just admit they don't like Bryce Young. Just admit it. No one will care, but just be honest instead of trying to convince everyone else to feel the way they do. Jeez.

I interpreted your original reply as the team could have success if the new players and coaches were really good, AND they created an offense that didn't count on the QB being a primary contributor. Because you think Bryce won't be able to hold up his end. I think you confirm that above. My only point is that I don't see how anyone can say definitively what Bryce Young will be in the league yet, based on his supporting cast from last season. And it seems those that have already decided that Bryce Young is a bust, likely just didn't like him as the pick in the first place. A little context for me... lots of folk here didn't like Cam while he was a Panther either. It had very little to do with him as a talent. And just for the record, I really am not invested in Bryce Young. I didn't want the team to move up for a QB at all in 2023. I thought 2024 would be the year to go for a QB. But when they did, I ordered the QBs as Anthony Richardson, then CJ, then Bryce. The disfunction from the front office, to the playcalling, to the scheme, to the oline and the receivers was just not a good situation. Horrible actually. Asking a rookie to perform with all that adversity is just not realistic to me, at any position let alone QB. So to me, the verdict is still out. I don't know if he can be the guy because the situation he was in last year was set up to fail from the start. In preseason, as soon as I saw the oline couldn't figure out how to even slow down the Jets' pass rush (particularly stunts) and the receivers were locked up like Fort Knox, I knew we were in for a long season.

Agree. My thing is a lot of posters don't give Bryce any credit. No matter what. And they wait to point out his failures- only. Never acknowledge his positives, only the negatives. That doesn't seem like a person being realistic. That seems like a biased approach. Almost like you actually do want him to fail. I don't understand that approach if you're a Panthers fan. Maybe to prove they were right during the draft? Seems weird to me.

Didn't say it wasn't. Could be. I don't claim to know based on how bad the entire offense was last year. It seems pretty clear that you're convinced that any success would be in spite of Bryce. Any success would be based on the so called improvements - which most really aren't proven commodities. So back to my original point: do you just not like him?

Which part did I misinterpret? As of right now, relying on Bryce could cost people their jobs so its understandable if the coaches and other players are the catalyst for any success.

Hardy and dem was some killers for hire! They used to beat the dog ish out of Brees! I loved it. Imagine if he was still on the team in 2015 team.

And there you go. Just put your name in the "I just don't like Bryce Young" hat. Nothing wrong with that. You can like or dislike whoever you want.

So strato has spoken. Who else is willing to just admit they never liked the guy and nothing he does will ever convince you that he is? If he wins the friggin super bowl, it would be because of the coach and players they put around him.

So you're saying this is the year Jaycee plays all 17?! I'll take it!!!

Yeah, honestly that's a tough schedule. It really is.

So much confirmation bias with you guys. Not even an attempt to be objective. Not even trying. Like the guy said earlier. If you don't like the QB, just say so. Then don't get on the bandwagon if he turns into the guy. No take backs. Line in the sand.

I actually agree with this - to a degree. Mingo is not a finished product and his route running did improve as the season progressed. Grace has to be given to any rookie in last year's offense. QB, RB, WR, TE or Oline. Any of those positions would have been set up to fail as a 1st year player in the NFL. Bad scheme, bad playcalling and probably bad coaching (can't say definitely since we weren't at practices).

No it isn't. If someone says he can't throw X many yards because he didn't do it last year, but he threw it X plus 10 yards in college, that shows he can. He may not have done it in Carolina, but that doesn't mean he can't do it. There is a real possibility that there were extenuating circumstances. These definitive but inaccurate statements are also known as hot takes or gross exaggerations.

Definitely set the wheels in motion if Bryce doesn't show huge improvement this season. But don't draft a subpar prospect just for the sake of drafting a QB. Continue to build the team until a stud is available. Dalton can probably hold down the fort with the o line changes, until the right guy is available in the draft or FA (less likely).

Ya'll do realize that consensus #1 pick QBs rarely participate in the combine... right? Nothing to gain. Only to lose. That's not a scammer. That's just good business sense. If I knew a kid that was the consensus #1 pick in the draft, there is no way in heck I'd let him go to the combine. Even a small injury could knock him out of the #1 spot. There just isn't a reason to go.

The eyeball test is subjective. You can say he has a weak arm, I can say his arm is strong (which I'm not). Who has the better "eye" for football velocity? Bryce doesn't always throw fastballs. Actually he rarely does. But he's thrown enough to show that he has more than adequate velocity. Decision making, trust in his oline, trust in his receivers... needs work. But arm strength is low on the things he needs to improve. Right along with footwork. If that's how he plays, then I'm fine with it. He's shown the ability to throw with adequate velocity and accuracy at very awkard arm angles. So he doesn't need to have stellar footwork to make throws. I could see it helping his timing though.

I really don't get this take. Is he in the top .1% of the population like Flacco, Josh Allen, old Cam Newton, Mahomes? Heck no. But he definitely has a better arm than some are giving him credit for. Good enough to win in the NFL.

Reich was forced into a situation he didn't originally anticipate. Losing DJ Moore was huge. Couple that with the incredible regression of the offensive line (mostly through injury), and he didn't know how to bring the team back. Bryce wasn't good enough to save his job like Cam did for Ron. Hopefully a little stability, flexibility and luck from the injury bug will be in Canales' favor.

Usually I'd agree with you 100%. HC needs to oversee everything. That's why I didn't like Reich calling plays last season - that and he wasn't very good at it. But in this case, it's necessary. It's very important that Bryce and the offense get off early. Canales acknowledged how important it was to bring Evero back. He can almost take his hands off the defense and let Evero cook. They even brought in some players that have played for Evero in the past, setting the defense up as more prepared to roll with less changes and playbook teaching than normal for a new HC. Consistency is important for just that reason. It's difficult to learn a new playbook with limited practices - offensively and defensively.