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I think that's the best value for next year. Would love a starting OC, but this combo likely yields the greatest returns in season 1. No way I take a CB or an OT with the one of the first 2 picks.

TMJ isn't a bad WR. He's better at crossing/posts/flies, rather than the hooks/comebacks/corner routes he was mostly asked to do last year. He isn't good at creating separation early (or late for that matter). So, he probably does need a QB that is less risk adverse. That, or he needs to somehow earn his current QB's trust. Just going off heresay, he seems to be talented enough, but maybe not the best teammate. Those things matter. WRs should always try to be best friends with their QB. Trust plays a big factor in getting targets when you're not open.

Yep. This offense was such an elite group in 2022, that it has to be the pipsqueak QB (that at least 50% of the NFL had ranked as the #1 pick in the draft) is the reason they passed for 1 yard less than they did in 2022. All with a new offensive scheme that didn't fit the oline or receivers, an completely new coaching staff including a first time OC, a ridiculous number of injuries on the interior oline, losing their only productive WR, and only true receiving all-world running back. Yep, that's it. Makes perfect sense now.

It would be nice to involve TEs in the game plan again. You don't think Tremble can be that guy? He's shown a lot of flashes, particularly last season. I have a feeling he's ready to play a bigger role in the offensive game plan.

Nah this offense has been garbage for years now. Jewell is good enough inside with Shaq. Panthers have to stop out thinking themselves. Historically good and deep WR/OL draft means 1st round talent will fall to the second. And I like Edgerrin. I really like Edgerrin.

Are the Panthers a good team now? Probably not. Are they better than last season. Absolutely. Edit: on paper

There is a lot of truth to that racial stereotype idea. But, I will say that every high school and college (that are racially diverse) has white DBs and RBs, and black QBs. They just don't always translate to the next level. Maybe it does have a lot to do with where they were lined up when they were very young and just starting out playing ball in racially diverse climates. But yeah. Ladd and Pearsall are actual friggin athletes in anybody's eyes. If the Panthers could get Ladd in the 2nd and Pearsall in the 3rd, they should JUMP on it! Call it whatever you like, but those dudes would change the game on the same team. Heck, if they could get CMC back, this would be a trendsetting Panthers team. Black QB. White Tailback. 3 White WRs. The media would eat that ish up!

Is Pearsall really mocked that late?! He would be really hard to pass up that late. Almost have to take him there if you're a team in need of receivers.

Always. Even mediocre athletes that can catch and run good routes.

I think we're downplaying Jewell. He's more of a prototypical MLB. Luvu was a Jack of all trades, but not a true MLB.

I don't think we should look at this rebuild position by position. That'll take many years. Football isn't played that way. It's the ultimate team sport. Pass rush is not dependent on one player or position. Pass coverage is not dependent on just the secondary. Passing is dependent on the entire oline and your receivers. Rushing is not dependent only on the running back. They've addressed every major area. That's all you can ask for. Make good decisions during the draft, and then it's the coaches turn to put it all together.

On paper... they're easily better. A lot better. The only area that could remotely be worse is pass coverage, but an improved pass rush could help there. I'm not looking at the players lost/gained as individuals, but the mission area as a whole. Run defense is improved drastically. Pass rush is improved. Pass protection is improved drastically. Pass receivers improved drastically. I think David Moore makes a major contribution as he's a vet leader that is familiar with the offense. He's the Jerrico Cotchery from 2015. Rush blocking is improved drastically.

Not if Canales runs right at him. These guards and tackles would eat him alive.

That's not what that says at all. Wow. Just wow.

Bro, I am not excited about the Bryce Young we saw last season. If this season resembles that, then he'll be on the outs. Or on a very short leash by week 10. Due to supporting cast, I just don't think we can make definitive statements based on last season. Let's just be patient and see how it plays out.

So his deep ball inaccuracy was almost all OVERthrows, correct. That doesn't necessarily scream weak arm. Lack of touch, needed more air, yes. Lack of arm strength. No. Deep out against GOOD COVERAGE. See how this becomes a subjective argument? And I didn't think my argument was dumb. That's just mean Lin. Tried to think of another sport where the play revolves around throwing a ball. Guys get K'd on 80-90MPH pitches all the time. Just because a pitcher has the weakest arm in the majors, doesn't mean he can't put guys in the K box. Similarly, just like the MLB is the cream of the crop, so is the NFL. Bryce could have the weakest arm in the NFL, and still have a good enough arm.

Who is dismissing it? Dalton balled out that game, particularly late. Would that game have been sustainable for a season is the real question. He took an A$$ whippin. Huge shots. Kind of like when every one was so enamored with Devito his first couple of games. It wasn't sustainable.

Ok. Which throw did he fail to make - every time, because his arm was too weak? So the weakest arm of all the starting pitchers in the MLB has a weak arm? Even though he can throw in the upper 80s or low 90s. He has a weak arm? You go up there and try to hit a 92 MPH fast ball and let me know how it goes. If you don't crap yourself in the batter's box. Then, you should just take that to the grave.

Right... don't know what I was thinking. And a 3 time pro-bowler vet at that. Silly me...

Yeah, that exercise would be purely subjective in nature. What are the parameters? How do we measure his arm strength? And let's say he does have the weakest arm in the NFL. Does that necessarily mean he has a weak arm? No. As long as he can make all the throws, his arm is strong enough. And it is.

Just watch his highlights for the season, after clearing your mind (avoid the strong pull of confirmation bias). You're not coming away thinking this guy has a weak arm. Not elite. But not weak either. Good enough to make all the throws he needs to. And honestly gents, he could have the weakest arm of every starting QB in the NFL, and that still not mean his arm is too weak for the NFL. He doesn't need a special dink and dunk offense because he can't put velocity on a throw over 20 yards. Ya'll have to chill with the hyperbole just to prove a point. He might not make it in the NFL, but it won't be because he can't accurately zip a 30 yards pass. Jeez...

Honestly I'm not really a Bryce backer Rum. I can just be objective and realistically understand that every play is not in a vacuum. If they draft a QB in the 7th round that beats Bryce out and takes Carolina to the Super Bowl, I would never utter his name again.

I think we've forgotten how that game went. Dalton balled out late in that game. I mean Stroud wouldn't have been able to do what Dalton did in that game. And yes there were drops and yes Dalton took a lot of hits and still delivered the ball. But believe this... there is NO way Dalton finishes the season if he takes that beating every week. I would have given him another 2-3 weeks, 4 tops.

Here we go with the "hot takes" again. True - Bryce doesn't have an elite arm, but he DOES have a good arm. More than adequate for the NFL. Particularly because he can throw from odd angles and doesn't need to set his feet to deliver with accuracy. If he sets his feet and lets the ball rip, it'd have a lot more velocity. But that's not his game. It's not a physical limitation. It's a choice to not throw with high velocity all the time. Which you shouldn't. But I agree, there were times when he should have put more zip on the ball, or more air under the pass. He's a finesse passer. Not a Cam. Footwork does need to be cleaned up. But I can't blame the man for wanting to be in a position to bail playing behind that oline, with those receivers, in that scheme. He showed plenty of zip on a number of throws last season. He showed the ability to move defenders with his eyes/body movement and throw with high level anticipation - rookies aren't normally able to do either consistently. He showed that he was very elusive when he did decide to run. Decision making was his biggest issue, but that comes with time and/or good coaching. I mean, he WAS a rookie without much help last year. The plan for this season, is to give him a better supporting cast, so that they're able to determine if he's the guy. Do we think Canales and Morgan decided to replace 3/5 of the oline, and bring in 2 new WRs (possibly another 2 in the draft) because guys were open and Bryce couldn't get them the ball? No. They watched the film and saw a team that put too much pressure on one player - that happened to be a rookie.

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face. Quickness is more important than straight line speed in all sports - except track. McConkey has elite quickness, speed and skill. The only concern for him is durability. That is the only question mark. He could be the best WR of this historically great WR draft. No hyperbole.