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No. That's something you made up in your head. Nobody thinks that's an actual thing but you. This team needs a #1 WR, and an entire defense. Not a backup QB to puch Bryce Young.

That's 100% logical - in a vacuum. But you don't think it's more important for the team to learn how to win, than picking a couple of draft picks earlier? Still top 10. Can get great players and develop the team's culture/mindset. This team, particularly the offense, is very young.

Agree with OP. Evero is stubborn and refuses to change his way/scheme for the team. In no world should you allow Evans, Cee Dee Lamb, Drake London to dictate the kind of coverage they get. Horn wasn't in this game, but he was against Dallas and early Tampa. If a guy is torching you, you assign your best guy on him. That's like 101 stuff. The OC shouldn't be able to hide him in the slot or the other side of the field.

Right, I agree. But now that we have our franchise QB, what are we losing games for to move up and get now? A WR? A DT? A DE? Not sure Panthers need to be that high to improve any of those positions in this draft. QB is the only position that would garner that kind of a haul.

Hold up. Let me get this straight, cause maybe I'm trippin. So the Panthers need 2 more WRs (one to start at the X), a backup RB that'll get 10+ touches a game, at least one starting edge rusher, a starting ILB, a starting FS, and a new DC because they were the worst defense in the history of the NFL. But they should use high draft capital or salary cap for a backup QB that hopefully will never see the field. All because Bryce Young needs competition to push him to improve. Boy if you don't stop...

I kinda agree with you on this one. It took the #1 pick in the 2023 draft to find our franchise QB after numerous failed attempts.

... so hard!

Oh my God dude!!! Really?!!

This game should show us how bad our receiving group really is. Thielen has been great for us, but he wouldn't be much for either of these teams. 3rd option at best. By far the #1 option in Carolina. We need playmakers.

Why do some of you guys try so hard to argue how bad QB9 is? It's really weird to invalidate every perceived positive. Really weird.

Cheer up sir. It's a party for God's sake!

I think Bryce didn't know the offense well enough to start the season. He seems to understand what's being asked of him a lot better now from play to play. He knows his protection, escape routes and checks at the snap. Sometimes it's harder to learn when you're in the fire. Also think he didn't trust the oline or his receivers. Watching Dalton for a month helped him see that things were very different from last season. Finally, he found his swag. Maybe stopped putting so much pressure on himself and started playing to make plays rather than playing to not make mistakes. Canales benching him allowed all of that to happen.

So Ickey is only 24! He's been starting for 4 years at LT in the NFL and he's only 24 years old. And his birthday is October 31st, so he turned 24 halfway through his 4th season. Why didn't I know that? Perspective here. He will get better. He's not even in his physical prime yet! Like 2 or 3 years away! And he's been pretty healthy - knock on wood. Go with the 5th year option and get him locked in long term! He's gonna be an all pro one day. This is crazy.

Wish we had receivers that could make defenders miss like that. No sauce in the receivers room.

Agree the Panthers receivers are generally better at being possession receivers, sans the XL drops. But Patriots receivers are absolutely better at YAC. Douglas, Boutte, Hunter and Bourne have all been better at making defenders miss in the open field than anyone on this team. Our receivers absolutely suck at that. So I guess it's just preference. And it really doesn't matter what you're trying to do, or how hard you're trying to make a guy miss. Stop falling down or running out of bounds after the catch and make a friggin play! Thielen is great as a possession guy. I admit that. He's arguably one of the best in that role right now. And agree Coker and Sanders give more YAC effort, but they don't get enough opportunities for it to really matter on Sundays. Panthers need more explosive plays period. Unfortunately Canales and Young can't trust anyone but a slow possession receiver to provide them. That's not good.

Panthers have a much better oline, but the Patriots have better receivers. When the Panthers oline has a bad game, it's over. There isn't anyone on the team to save them. When the Patriots oline holds, there are plays to be made and guys to make them. Panthers receivers are happy just making the catch. They ain't trying to make a big play.

If a running back is actually BPA after the 3rd round, then yes it's time to draft running back.

That sounds good in theory, but I don't believe a QB makes a WR better than he is. A good one can help him reach his potential but not necessarily surpass it. If he ain't a playmaker, a QB ain't gonna make him one. However, a good WR can help QBs look better than they really are though. Bryce is not Brock Purdy. Bryce Young is actually most dangerous when the play breaks down. As for Cam in 2015 - his 5th year in the NFL. No QB has ever done more with less. That's not a fair comparison for Bryce Young. He isn't built that way. Cam could lead the team in rushing yards and TDs, rushing attempts, and passing. Heck if he ran a couple of routes a game, he probably would have led the team in receiving too. All he ever needed was average protection and a couple of speed guys to stretch the defense. How friggin hard was that? Hurney and Rivera suck A$$ for what they did to him - truly a generational talent that flamed out in his prime ala Bo Jackson.

Now that would be disappointing. Not saying you're wrong, but disappointing nonetheless.

Right. My point was that stats were data points, sort of like the combine. They are both objective, but only chapters in a bigger story. I have no idea how he came up with those rankings but they obviously weren't only stats focused. Likely opinion based after watching film.

Obvious he isn't focused solely on stats here. They don't tell the full story. Just another reference point. Kind of like the combine.

Or the deep ball against the Saints that the DB took from him. Or the possible game winning TD pass against the Eagles that he dropped. I remember another deep pass down the left sideline that he dropped as well - just can't remember the team. Look, I think XL is a rookie with the yips. He has to get out of his head and just play. It happens. But it's inaccurate to blame his issues on the QB. Bryce had to overcome his own issues early in his career as well. XL seems to have the work ethic to overcome and regain his confidence.

You mean our own Taysom Hill? Sign me up.

I don't even think it needs to be a WR1 or X type. Just a guy or two that can consistently catch the ball, and make people miss and gain yards after the catch. That or get a guy in FA like Higgins or Wilson. It really looks like JT gets open regularly, but Bryce tends to force to Thielen on those plays instead now. It feels like JT got alot more looks from Bryce before Thielen came back.

I'm not 100% sure what that means, but a couple of YAC receivers is greatly needed - for whoever ends up being the QB.