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Agree. I can't hold him to wins/losses (that's a team stat), but he has to command the offense and put up more competitive numbers. In my opinion, there should be enough on the offense to have success right now before the draft and FA - even with Yosh as the starting LT. 2nd year TMac, 3rd year Coker, 2nd year Etienne, 2nd year Horn, 2nd year Evans, 3rd year Sanders, Chuba, and Tremble. If Brooks is back to form, then that's the homerun threat we've been missing out of the backfield. If BY starts reading deep to shallow, instead of shallow to deep, then you'd likely get something out of Legette too. Either way, it's enough to put together a "respectable" offense without so many complete lapses in games. Difference between me and you is I think his biggest issue is not being aggressive often enough. You seem to think he just doesn't have the physical ability to be a QB in the NFL. This may be his last chance in Carolina to prove us wrong. If he doesn't, he'll play 2027 on the 5th year option as they look for his replacement.

Remember when Isiah Simmons was a can't miss Butkus award winning LB prospect picked in the top 10? Ridiculous (in a good way) combine. Ended up being the least productive LB in the first round of that draft class.

Not the next highest paid QB type money. Heck no! His inconsistent play is his biggest issue. His ability isn't as inconsistent as his mindset. Some games he's just out there dinking and dunking and completely ignoring anything over 20 yards. The statement I was responding to was he hasn't flashed in 50 games. That's just not true. When you throw for 450 yards in a game, but average under 200 yards, then that's absolutely a flash. He's shown that he can be productive. He just plays uber conservative some times. Game to game. Quarter to quarter. It's mind numbing some times.

Whoa! I'm not defending BY as a franchise QB. Just saying he has flashed. I mean you can't flash any more than that. That and the 2024 Atlanta game with 5 total TDs. Agree that consistency is his biggest problem. Some games he just flat out refuses to throw the ball deep. It's so frustrating to me.

I kinda agree that Yosh will be the answer next season. Maybe a day 2 or 3 guy at offensive tackle as a developmental project. They have to take a stab at a blue chip pass rusher and/or ILB early.

Why is that a hill to die on? That's the very definition of a flash. Definitely not the norm. Huge flash.

So the single game passing yards record in franchise history isn't flashing? Here or there?

That's just not true. It may feel that way to you, but if you look at his passing charts, most games he's completing more passes in the middle of the field than the outside. Even in his 100 yards stinkers he's completing more passes over the middle than the outside. Probably gets more yards throwing outside the numbers, but he usually completes more passes over the middle. A tight end that knows how to post up and box out for the ball would definitely help. In my opinion, he needs to take more deep shots outside the numbers and less short passes between the numbers.

Seems you found the "exception" to the OP. Eli wasn't actually drafted by the Giants. But that's the only team he ever played for since he refused to go to San Diego.

I honestly wouldn't draft a QB if my team earned the first pick, unless we're talking Luck, Cam or Stafford level talent available. Generational type guys that can lift a bad team. They are rare breeds though. Trade back for a king's ransom and come back when you've gotten your ish together - see Chicago bears. As far as yards and scores trending down, I think it has a lot to do with how teams are playing defense now. Most defenses are in some form of nickel/dime most of the game, with exotic blitz packages using DBs to pressure the QB. They're taking away the passing game, and teams built to pass without a complimentary run game to keep the defense honest will struggle. Maybe RBs will become top draft picks again.

A big time standup LB (QB of the defense), improve the pass rush, improve oline depth. Get lucky with injuries. They can win over 6.5 games. Fail in any one of those areas and the bottom falls out pretty quickly.

Teams drafting a QB in the top 5 are usually just really bad personnel wise and/or not smart in the front office. Establish a strong front office and coaching staff that drafts well for multiple seasons. Then and only then do you go in for a QB. A good team is not drafting in the top 5, even if you have mediocre QB play. A good QB on a bad team won't win Super Bowls. An average QB on a really talented roster and FO can pull it off.

A'Shawn Robinson is a prime candidate for cap cut. I think he's a good player but his production could be replaced early in the draft. I don't believe in Wharton and B. Brown is a NT.

OL, DL, pass rush or off-ball linebacker. No 1st round offensive weapons in this draft. I'm a BPA guy, but that dog won't hunt when the oline or dline is getting manhandled after one injury. So, everything EXCEPT the #1 target from this list.

Yeah but the whole point of a LT is to protect your QB's blindside (right handed). Opening holes for RBs is not why they are far and away the highest paid linemen. The only linemen that are paid as much or more are the guys that can beat them to get to the QB. A LT that's a run specialist is like a WR that only runs screens and jet sweeps. Many here think the team can easily replace BY. I think the same can be said for Ickey. Heck Yosh may not be that much of a drop off - if any.

Honestly thought Ickey was fairlt average. That's just based on the eye test. I haven't seen any grades or anything to base that on. Usually when the QB was pressured, it seemed like it was coming from the LT or RG.

Yeah. He going to jail.

WR is absolutely a priority. Don't need a high draft pick WR, but a speedy, quick twitch WR is needed here. That guy can be picked in the 4th round and later. Most teams have a couple on their practice squad. So might make more sense to pick up a vet (2 or 3 years) that's buried on someone else's depth chart. Smaller, quicker version of Brycen Tremayne. Maybe Jimmy Horn steps into that spot next season. Remember he's a 6th rounder. Really wanted Tez there, but...

It appears that he sees things differently than the QB and OC, so Cam's advice is spot on. It isn't about number of targets, it's about quality of targets. Trust and being on the same page. BY doesn't know how to anticipate what XL is doing. And XL doesn't like where BY is placing passes. One on one film study would go a long way. More for BY than XL though. He has to adjust to XL. I really don't think XL can adjust on the fly.

If the team shows improvement, then he shouldn't be in danger of losing his job - even if the record doesn't reflect. This was a very young team (with a lot of new vet starters) that overperformed last season. Somebody's doing something right. Consistency is key with so much youth. And we're potentially looking at new starters at ILB and FS. Those are positions that take time to fully understand the defense. ILB calls the front 7. Safety calls the back 4. Injuries at WR and IOL killed the offense last season. Depth needs to be upgraded. Same with Edge. I think they would have won more games if Pat Jones doesn't go down early. Be smart with the roster and draft. Trade players for assets when it's time to pay them more than they're worth - yes, that includes BY if he doesn't make a pretty big jump. That's one of the many reasons Tillis is as important as anyone to the future of this team.

Gotcha, I see what you're saying. But I'd think they'd be trying to get on another team's payroll instead of Carolina's. If this is a new stat, then I could agree. If this is an existing calculation that hasn't changed its variables, then my point still stands. And they likely wouldn't rate him so low on other calculations.

So FORMER employees influence your current analysis? Honestly sounds a little conspiracy theory like to me. But it's possible I guess.

This is what I mean. I am not some huge BY fan. I honestly don't look at QBs the way a lot of you guys do. Right or wrong, I've always looked at them as just another cog in the machine. Didn't want BY or even a trade up for a QB in 2023. We saw in the Super Bowl how important the rest of the team is on any given Sunday. Now... so PFF, who has no reason to prop up BY, says he's first in 2 stat lines and Panthers "fans" are arguing why it's either wrong or a made up stat just to make BY look good. Even though they have multiple stat lines where he's literally last in. Like 32nd in the NFL. Some he's even lower than 32. Take a step back. Try to objectively self analyze. This is just not sensible. Same thing I see with other teams' fans and their QBs though. We analyze every single throw on every single play. For every other QB, most here are only using highlights to judge. Makes a difference. We saw Stafford miss throws when they played Carolina - both games. We saw Love throw crap up when they played Carolina. We saw Dak miss throws when they played Carolina - and Pickens was putting on a SHOW. We saw Josh Allen win a game with 163 yards passing against Carolina, but if BY does it he's crap and can't pass for 200 yards. Gents... come on.

Please explain. Not understanding Thielen as a training wheel.

I don't know. The NFL makes up their own rules, particularly under the personal conduct policy. I wouldn't expect him to play much next season, even if he hasn't had his day in court.