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Said it before the first game, when we learned of Coker's injury. The QBs will be playing with a group of receivers where they've only completed a pass to one of them ever - Legette. That is not a good place to be, especially when the other receivers included two rookies, Tremayne and Renfrow who hasn't played football in 2 years. Throw in a second year TE and a rookie TE. I mean I love Tremble, but if he's your vet receiving TE you're not in a very good place.

So because people cheer on their starting QB, you think it's your responsibility to bring them back to earth? I mean it is a Panthers fan forum. But if that works for you...

How many passes have you seen that were not completed due to a lack of arm strength? I mean I get he doesn't have the strongest arm in the league, but this narrative that he can't throw the ball 50 yards is ridiculous. Now can he throw it 40 yards on a rope with a defender at his feet? I seriously doubt it. But those QBs are a rarity. Not the norm.

I guarantee Horn would have more receptions, receiving yards, YAC, rushing yards and game impact if he had XL's reps and opportunities. He's just a better player at the position. Not a better athlete or prospect, but a better player. I could see him being a Josh Downs type of player. XL is a Mingo type of player.

Pretty sure they were in the same draft class.

Yeah... and there'll be another one once Jimmy Horn starts taking XL's reps.

How does a discussion about Shough being rookie of the year vs TMac turn into a put down of Bryce Young? Yall really sick.

That's an insane take. Dude can barely throw 40 yards with his whole body - and he has a lot of body. Is he better technically and reading defenses? Of course he is. He's better than most of the league in that area. He picked up an offense in 2 weeks. Like mastered it. That's because he's already seen and done it all. It's just learning the new language at this point.

I sure hope so. Even the back shoulder catch yesterday was a mauling! No flag. I'm just like how in the he11 is that not DPI or at least holding?!

Does anyone else think TMac is getting the Shaq treatment? He is constantly being held and they're pulling an arm back. I give him crap for not using 2 hands, but it kind of looks like DBs are taking an arm away and refs aren't calling it. Like never.

And honestly, Jimmy Horn needs to take XL's reps. Everything looks hard for XL, while Horn is a smooth and natural receiver with just as much speed but more quickness.

I don't think anyone here is saying Bryce Young is the future franchise QB we've been waiting for. But let's also not act like he has this great supporting cast. Receivers are not good right now. They're improved, but not really a good group yet. The oline has never really been great at pass pro, no matter how much they're getting paid. And the most expensive one isn't even on the field. Kinda weird that you keep circling back to that narrative.

Roger all that. Do you think BY avoided any sacks last game? This oline is not what you're touting them to be. They are much better then 2023! Much much much better than 2023. But come on now, you'd expect this expensive oline (most are run blocking specialist) to at least dominate in the run game every game. And... I keep telling you our WRs and TEs are not that good yet. I mean last Sunday was a prime example. Our receiving targets never make plays like those. Never. And this is from one of the worst teams in the league. Shough could have easily had 3 INTs if not for his receivers making plays on the ball. Our guys just don't do that. XL almost allowed an INT backing up out of bounds instead of coming to the ball. And everyone would have blamed that on BY. That's why he doesn't throw to that dude. I can't recall a game except maybe the second Falcons game - maybe, where I thought our receivers could possibly be better than the other team's. I think TMac and Coker have a lot of potential. But they're aren't consistent. But they're young and WILL improve. I'm confident of that. I don't agree that BY was drafted to only stand in the pocket. He has always been best off schedule - for better or worse.

Do you think BY avoided any sacks Sunday? Just looking for your opinion.

Wow, didn't catch that! I don't think Chuba's a power back either but he's usually good at getting that 1 or 2 yards. That was an uncharacteristic day for him.

I agree about middle pressure. Blind side is a close second. You just never see it coming. And that's where you get alot of big hits on the QB.

Short list means there is a list. That means he isn't the worst. Not even in your eyes.

Yeah, I never said he wasn't. Though I don't necessarily agree with that. My only point was that sack wasn't on him. It was on the LT. You can argue alot about things he doesn't do well, but he definitely avoided 4-5 sacks in that game alone.

Definitely the loneliest. There's no one to bail you out when you're in cover 0.

Pick a team. I could do it for any QB on any team.

Yeah we're paying too much for offensive guards. That was never a long term approach. I expect some changes by 2027. I don't think the pass rush is as bad as it seems on paper. If Evero would keep Big Bobby at NT with Derrick and Robinson on either side, they'll get enough push on passing plays to allow Edge rushers to make plays.

Huge improvement! Defense alone is enough to call it that. Big step forward with such a young team and so many new faces. That usually takes time. Bryce hasn't really improved from the end of last season. Took him 12 games to finally throw the ball deep. Canales is... better. Love his aggressive style of playcalling. Still takes too long to make the right decision regarding personnel. But he seems to have a plan for everyone on the field. Will it work is yet to be seen - looking at you XL. Evero is inconsistent and too conservative. I just really don't like his defensive philosophy, but the defense is much improved. Players or coaching? They're still improved so have to give him that.

Unpopular opinion but he really could have gotten it. The line got enough of an initial push. Chuba jump cutting to the wrong hole instead of lowering his head allowed the defense to recover. That was on Chuba.

Nah, Chase is still pushing Ickey back when he tackles Bryce. Stepping up in the pocket is not a plausible option for either. It's really about whether or not they can escape the pocket. So you think there's room to escape in the first, but not in the other two? Chase is on top of Bryce when he sees it. He'd have to slip away and out run Chase from a standstill. Not realistic. Brown and Brown are beating their guys directly in front of the QB. Shough has paths to escape if he wants to. Even get positive yards. But he doesn't. The point is not that Bryce is better than Shough, or that he has a worse situation here. You could do this with any QB in the NFL. I'm just showing that when an offensive lineman gets beat this badly, the defender gets to you pretty dang fast. Either QB probably had a quarter of a second to make a decision. Heck, I'd argue that Shough had closer to a second with it being DTs instead of an Edge rusher.

We gave Cam the highest paid LT this team has ever had. That didn't work out so well did it? Doesn't matter how much they're paid or where they were drafted. Can they play? Our #8 ROOKIE WR is consistently being outplayed by our UDFA 2nd year WR. And... Ted Ginn's speed changed the way defenses played Carolina. No CB in the NFL could run with him. Whether he caught it or not, you had to honor that fact. That's his signifigance. And Corey Brown ran a friggin 4.37 at the combine. What did our current WRs run? Just saying.