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The question is which Bryce shows up game 1. Do we get week 2 (2024) Bryce, or week 18 (2024) Bryce? I will say that his progression after the benching last year was amazing. He literally got better every game - sans Dallas. Like every week he did something we hadn't seen him do before. And it wasn't luck, toss it up for grabs plays like Penix did against Carolina. Penix was just throwing the ball as hard as he could in the direction of a receiver and hoping they'd make a play for him. What we saw from Bryce was different. Decision making, reading defenses, recognizing blitzes and where they were coming from, knowing his hot, avoiding pressure and manipulating the pocket, throwing with anticipation, taking shots downfield, and running the ball surprisingly well. Stats don't always tell the story. Did he miss some throws that he should have made - sure did. But the clutch gene is strong with this one. One score game and Carolina has the ball with 2 minutes on the clock - I'm confident he'll give them a chance to win more than he doesn't.

I really like David Moore. He's a reliable WR. Smart, doesn't drop the ball and he's where he's supposed to be. Now, he ain't gonna route up a DB. He ain't gonna 50/50 ball a DB. He ain't gonna run by a DB either. But he runs a good enough route and catches the ball - definitely an NFL average WR. Every team could use a David Moore. Now if this receiving group can force Dan and Dave to let him go, then this team has come a long way since 2023. A LONG way. But I will say that Horn's speed is a big deal. They don't really have another guy with speed and quickness to blow the top off the defense and make guys miss in space after the catch, though he is still a rookie and hasn't done it in the NFL. If he and Renfrow push Moore out, then we might actually have something gents. Plus I see Renfrow as Thielen's replacement in 2026. I just don't think Coker is the reliable, move the chains guy like Thielen. Could be wrong.

Yeah, criminally underrated but definitely not top 10 all time.

Say what you want, but last year Bryce gave Carolina the best QB-play we've seen a very long time. A very long time. Often with rookies at WR and TE, and a RB not known for his receiving abilities. There is much reason for optimism with added weapons, and consistency/ chemistry on the offensive line and coaching staff. Now if the defense can get to average instead of a heaping lump of dog doo, this team should win a lot more games. This season is a turn the corner season. Next season is the year to press the accelerator to the floor.

You ok bro? Too much offseason left for you to be going full "crazy" like this.

#1 defense in the NFL. A bunch of rookies wasn't gonna help that unit. Yet out there with UDFAs starting on the oline and nutting up the Super Bowl.

Stupid! Run the defense back, and beef up the oline with high draft picks, high pedigree players. Instead, let's draft all defense and completely ignore the reason we lost the Super Bowl - oline!!!!

AJ and Free are the only 106 and Park hosts I recognize. The show was dead to me when they replaced them.

Big shoes to fill with that name. "106 and Park" on BET was one of the most popular shows in the African American household at one time. Many actually cried when it was cancelled.

Bro, they terrorized QBs! Especially Brees and Ryan. I loved it!

And they're so young. This group could be around for another 10 years.

Very possible. But, I think TMac and XL both have much higher ceilings than Coker. Will they get there is the question.

That's the caveat that many of us are skimming over. And it's a big one. Most of that room is really young, and we've seen our share of early success in Carolina at the WR position that quickly faded into obscurity.

Well... chicks do dig the long ball

Not sure why I keep hearing how good this receiving group is. They have potential. Yes. Reality of what we're counting on - 2 rookie draft picks at WR - one was a 6th rounder, another 2 rookie UDFAs at WR, 2 second year WRs - one with suspect hands and the other with suspect speed, 2 thirty years olds WRs - one closer to forty and the other hasn't played in 2 years, a rookie TE and another second year TE. That's not exactly a group I'd hang my hat on. Not yet anyways.

Wasn't that Brady's kryptonite too? Middle pressure doesn't allow any QB to step up to avoid speed rushers, or allow them to step into their throws. Not just a small QB issue.

The biggest concern with taking Jonathan Brooks so early was injury. Had he not been coming off an ACL, he would have been a huge contributor last season. A bigger, stronger Bucky.

If Dan signs Ramsey and Blackmon...!!! He's the GOAT Panther GM of all time! Not really a high bar, but still...

Guys are running free in Carolina's secondary all the time. Why don't we ever have guys running free in secondaries?

Soft tissue injury? Where? That's such a vague statement.

Of course I'll admit that. He doesn't have the strongest arm either. On top of that, he tends to not throw with a lot velocity on purpose, opting to anticipate where the receiver will be rather throwing it to him where he is. Will you admit that our receivers (at least in the last 2 seasons) couldn't make defenders miss in the open field?

You're right. The QB and playcaller have alot of input too. But screens are a tell. That's just a guy being a playmaker. It was bad. And Canales knew it. You should be able to call a screen to make defenses stop blitzing and being so aggressive. He even tried to get the little speed guy involved at the end of the season because none of the regulars could do anything with the ball in their hands. They had tons of opportunities to make plays and rarely ever delivered. Diontae was elusive, but... Sanders and Tremble seemed like the biggest YAC guys after he left. I remember one play when Legette made a few guys miss, and one long run on a busted coverage by Coker. Neither of them were screens. I honestly can't recall another play where receivers outran defenders after the catch or shook guys in the open field. That puts a lot of pressure on the QB to constantly move the chains when teams stack the box.

Yeah, Bo surprised me a lot. I don't like his game, but it's effective. He's a real gunslinger!

They were the worst receiving group in the NFL last season after Diontae lost his mind. We're putting a lot of faith in 2 second year players developing, 2 rookies (1 being a 6th rounder), a 30 years old that hasn't played in years, and a bunch of UDFA. Hopefully Dan and Brad can work their magic.

So 2024 draftees count if they're ahead of him, but not if they're below? Probably better to just compare him with QBs with equal or less NFL experience? There are only 3 other first or second year QBs ahead of him. So he's 4 of 11, and on the rise. We'll see if Jayden and Bo can hold their spots. Either way, all of them had better receivers than Carolina. Hopefully your boy TMac can help in that department. Watching the games, CJ and Bo didn't look better than Bryce the last 8 games to me. Now Jayden was friggin lights out. That kid can spin it.