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Agree. A forty time isn't an end all, but it is a data point used to confirm the eye test. Though to be honest, I've seen guys train for it and bring their times down .2 seconds just with technique. Like in a matter of weeks! Based on the eye test, Jameson Williams, Njigba and MHJ are alot faster than our receivers. That's ok to say. Doesn't mean they're better, just that they are faster. And defenders/defenses will play them differently because of it.

There is a difference between a jump ball guy and a guy that blows the cover off of a defense. One you play tight (press if you can or at least get a hand on him) and the other you give a lot of cushion to. That or keep a safety over the top.

Agree and I definitely understand that. Do you think Jameson Williams or MHJ really run 4.5 or higher forty times?

You act like you know me. Who am I? What do I know? What do I do?

Nope. Just when I need to call out stupid ish from stupid folk.

You ignorant MOFO. You actually think you're smarter than AI? You actually think because you took 30 minutes to find info, running around multiple sites, when I let technology do it for me makes you smart and me a dipshit? You're dumber than I thought.

You do realize that AI doesn't "make numbers up" right? Everything listed there likely came from a Google search of info that was condensed into a smaller representation. Don't be an old fug and get with the times. If you're trying to sell Jameson Williams as a 4.5 guy, then you have no earthly clue what you're talking about. Literally just making ish up.

Roger that. Site your references then. Or did you just make up some numbers and thought I'd say ok? I misread you comment. My bad. I meant All of my results were from AI.

Your numbers aren't correct. All AI generated: 1. you admit both AJ and Devonta are sub 4.5 guys. 2. Jaxon Smith-Njigba's unofficial 40-yard dash time was 4.48 seconds at his 2023 Ohio State Pro Day, though some scouts clocked him slightly faster (around 4.46-4.52), with a goal of 4.47, showcasing his agility despite not running at the NFL Combine. He excelled in short-area quickness drills, with a 6.57-second 3-cone drill and 3.93-second 20-yard shuttle. 3. Marvin Harrison Jr.'s 40-yard dash time is often reported in the low 4.4-second range, with specific unofficial times varying from 4.39 to 4.49 seconds, though he didn't officially run at the 2024 NFL Combine, with reports based on his impressive game speed and pro day figures suggesting exceptional speed for his size. He himself aimed for the high 4.3s, and scouts were buzzing about his elite speed, with some sources citing a 4.42 or even a faster 4.39 from other sources. 4. Bourne and Jennings are the 3 and 4 in SF. They were not slated as 1 and 2 before injuries. Ricky Pearsall ran an official 4.41-second 40-yard dash at the 2024 NFL Scouting Combine, showcasing impressive speed and athleticism that contributed to his first-round selection by the San Francisco 49ers. Brandon Aiyuk ran a 4.50-second 40-yard dash at the 2020 NFL Scouting Combine, though his team and coaches noted he played faster in pads and his time was impacted by a recent core muscle surgery, with some believing his true speed was better than that number suggested, similar to how Jerry Rice played faster than his combine time. Ran a 4.5 after core muscle surgery. He's definitely a sub 4.5 guy. 5. Agree with Adams and Puka. They are the only other example. Really good frigging example for your argument. But the only ones. 6. Jameson Williams is a speed demon. No way he runs more than a 4.4.

AJ Brown and Devonta Smith are both sub 4.5 guys. Williams is definitely a speed receiver and sub 4.5 guy. Smith-Njigba is a sub 4.5 guy. I agree Adams and Puka are not sub 4.5 guys. And they are absolute monsters on the field. Great example. Bourne and Jennings are not the two best receivers in San Fran. It's Aiyuk and Ricky Pearsall. Bourne and Jennings only got so much run because of injuries. Aiyuk and Pearsall are sub 4.5 guys. MHJ is definitely a sub 4.5 guy.

What are you even talking about? You said Delhomme made deep passes to Muhsin. I said Young made deep passes to TMac and Coker. I never once said Muhsin was some blazer, but he did have more speed than TMac and Coker are. He also had a speed guy on the other side of the field to help open things up for him. Just because I'm not crapping on Bryce doesn't mean I'm defending him.

Yeah Murray is a freak! Small, fast and crazy arm talent. Doubt he'd come here for peanuts though.

Cupp is another 100 skill level player. If we think TMac and Coker are on that level right now, then that's just not being honest. And the Rams have always had a blazer out there that teams had to back up for. We have XL. But I agree, Bryce needs to take more shots deep.

Right... and Bryce Young has thrown it over defenders' heads with a rookie TMac and a 2nd year Coker. Both considerably slower than Muhsin. Speed matters. It's not always running past people straight down the field. A guy that can run routes and then blow by you is dangerous and will always need to be accounted for - usually with more than one DB.

Yeah. Find me another team in the NFL where their 2 best WRs run mid 4.5s. Speed ain't everything, but let's not act like it doesn't matter in coverage. The narrative has been that defenses creep up because Bryce can't throw over their heads. Nah, it's because our receivers are slow. Unless you want to count XL, Mingo and DJ Chark. But then that whole skill thing is thrown out the window. Edit: Actually the Rams don't have speed with Puka and Devante. But their skill levels are some of the best the league has seen. That's the only other team I can think of.

I agree. Prove that he can't do it or just let him have at it. Can't keep trying to protect him. I mean this is football.

Yeah I can't tell who's a LB from that still. Okay researched the numbers. #42 and #7 are LBs dropping back into coverage. Not sure who the free rusher is. They sent 4 guys against 5 offensive linemen and ended up with a free rusher. That's friggin insane.

Yes on his only attempt.

That and a lack of situational awareness there. He's just better when he has room to operate and not have to think about too many things at once. Catch the ball, then run to daylight. Keep it simple and plain.

If Moore is back, XL will drop to 4th and backup to Coker. Probably best for now that'll give him favorable match ups inside the numbers. Keep that dude away from the sidelines.

Pretty sure Joe Flacco played his 5th year without an extension in place. I think they tried to lowball him and he bet on himself. It has happened before but that one comes to mind since he won a Super Bowl with the Ravens.

The QB replacements you named were #6 in the draft, #1, #1 and Mr. Irrelevant. i just ignored Mr. Irrelevant as he's an outlier to ever even make a team. Malik was a 3rd rounder and I wouldn't pay a lot of money to him. I'd probably be more open to the higher drafted guy that has shown me something in his career. And if Bryce earns a top 5 (or #1) pick, then that should be in play for his replacement. As for WRs, I agree. Speed doesn't mean good. Most teams have a good player like Thielen and Moore that can also run sub 4.5. That isn't the fastest guy by any stretch but it's fast enough to pressure a DB if he's a good route runner. A good CB will just sit on a guy that runs a 4.57. He ain't worried about him running by him. Horn might be a guy but he can't get on the field. XL? Well. I'm not hopeful for my fellow South Carolinian.

Love the analogy. Though I wouldn't marry someone for looks alone, if she looks good with sweats and a hairnet, she can get wifed up. That and she isn't bat ish crazy. Don't ever marry bat ish crazy. You'll have bat ish crazy kids too. Trust the old guy. Honestly Bryce is not in a position to make ultimatums. He just isn't. His case his unique and he knows it. So does his agent. We've seen QBs gamble on themselves before. Some have won. Some have lost. None have forced the team's hand if they have never put up numbers that demand it.

No way they pass on Jalen Carter at 9. That was a Star Lotulelei opportunity. Now every other pick is definitely subject to be screwed. As for those QB replacements, if we can find a top 6 draft pick that'll come in to replace BY for the cheap, that's different than paying too much for a 3rd rounder that's never done anything. If Bryce earns us a top 5 pick again, then we should definitely consider replacing him if our guy is available when we're on the clock. And still. I can't say for certain what Bryce will be. You're more confident than I am in terms of BY's final product. I think the team still doesn't have a strong receiving group. Though in a year or 2, this group could be really good. They're just young right now and make a lot of young player mistakes. A player like BY doesn't do well with that. He's been most productive with reliable guys that are where they're supposed to be when they're supposed to be there - even older guys like Thielen and Moore. Carolina really needs a guy like that, that runs a sub 4.5. Most NFL teams have at least one.

Adam Thielen had 1000 yards with rookie Bryce. I guess he's using that as comparison. Just kidding. Calm down.