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Yeah, but we've seen him do it. Just not often. I think that's the reason for the taller WRs. Would likely be a problem finding someone like Jimmy Horn in the mess.

That's surprising. Most young QBs are more at ease throwing between the hashes. I think the real question is why. Is it because he can't see over the middle? Or is it because we lack TEs and slots to be consistently effective there?

My biggest problem with Bryce is his reluctance to throw deep. You have to take shots every game to keep defenses honest. Otherwise they just jump on the underneath stuff all day. Now if I recall correctly he did take a deep shot to TMac in the Seattle game and he dropped it trying a one hand catch. No agenda. Just saying. Regardless, 54 yards passing in a game is pretty friggin abysmal! But you can't believe that's all on the QB. That's likely a failure in a lot of areas.

Or... maybe... Bryce isn't as bad as YOU think he is. You don't watch the film knowing the plays and what everyone is supposed to be doing. How do you know someone didn't run the wrong route? Or get proper depth? Or read the hot? You don't. SO WEIRD to constantly be down on your QB. Even when he plays well, there's a but. I guarantee you the Panthers will move on from Bryce Young if they don't think he can win a Super Bowl. As they should. But I'll trust the coach and GM with years of inside NFL experience.

Seems they are looking for mobile QBs like they said they were. Vice looking for guys that can't challenge Bryce Young. Such a weird take.

Didn't Dave bench Bryce after his first 2 games? Am I missing something? Why do you think Bryce is being coddled or isn't being challenged by Dave and Dan? Serious question. I think Dave was completely out on Bryce when he benched him. The chances of him coming back after that was very slim. He only got back in because of a freak injury from a car accident. Then he absolutely won that position back. It wasn't given to him at that point. He earned it with his play. And please know that Dave did not bench Bryce without getting agreement from Morgan and Tepper. Everyone was ready to go to plan B.

I think it's short sighted to judge a QB or HC in a vacuum. They both need good players to be successful. That's the GM's role. And he's young in his role too. His general experience in the league gives him a bit of an advantage/perspective that everyone doesn't have. But he still has to perfect his role as a GM. But whether they're good or not, they are young in their roles. That is the point I was making. Could they be better at what they do? Of course. But it's hard to have early success when you have so many major areas still figuring out how to do their jobs at the same time. Asking a QB to pass for 4000 yards when neither of his 2 best WRs have played a full season is a tall task. Asking a HC to be an effective HC while he's calling plays when he's only done it for 3 years, and he has a young roster is a tall ask. Especially with a roster with so many holes and lack of talent. But that young label is definitely coming to its end. It's about time to start showing major improvements on offense, defense and coaching. Dan has had 3 drafts/offseasons to improve the roster. Dave has had 2 training camps. Bryce has had 3 seasons, though that first season was a pretty tough situation for anyone to learn, let alone have success. The QB is on the hotseat. Mostly because it's pay up or shut up time. He's ran out of time. Doesn't matter if he has reasons or not. Not getting into the other stuff. Too many layers to pull back.

I guess so. Don't think I was involved with previous discussions. Tepper is one of the newest owners in the NFL. Dan is going into his 3rd season as a GM - ever. Dave is going into his 3rd season as a HC - ever. Before becoming a HC, he was an OC/playcaller for one season total. Idzik is about to go into his 1st year as a play caller - ever. WRs are rookies, sophomores and 3rd year guys - though the experienced 3rd year guys are XL and Coker (who has missed a ton of games). TEs are guys going into their 2nd and 3rd seasons, and Tommy Tremble - though Sanders has missed a ton of games. QB has played 3 years. Chuba is an experienced RB, but Brooks and Etienne have taken very little snaps at the position. O-line is more experienced vets with some talent - which is HUGE. Need them to stay healthy. I mean the offense is very young in every aspect except O-line. You see it differently?

I can see 9 wins. Not confident about any more than that. This season is again about development. Still a young team all around - players, coaches, GM and owner. Everyone is still finding their way. But they all do seem to be learning and getting better.

Going all out for a QB in 2023 was an incredibly dumb move. It didn't matter who they drafted, he was going to fail here. Adam Thielen as your best pass catcher for 2 of 3 seasons is a recipe for disaster. No explosive RBs, WRs or TEs in any of his seasons. And an o-line that needed league leading cap just get to a little above average. BY has been an F if judging by all 3 seasons. No doubt about it. 2023 was so bad, it brings down every year since. But by year I would give an F- (if that's even a thing) for 2023. C- for 2024. C for 2025. Honestly I think a little more speed on the team serves him well. Remember his rookie season, he was overthrowing Mingo and Marshal whenever he went deep early in the play. And he was used to smaller but faster guys at Alabama. He seemed to lose confidence after that and turned into a dink and dunker. Well that and the o-line getting him killed if he held the ball too long. We'll see if he continues to trend in the right direction. There's at least a glimmer of hope now.

With some weapons finally.

Some of those reach blocks are crazy! Like high high level.

Awww! You really do care.

Man I hope ICE ain't there

Bro...? On draft Saturday?! F them kids. Even if they aren't actually born yet.

Yeah, I remember his receivers making great plays and bailing him out a ton.

They have a young QB (well inexperienced anyway). Passing stats are as much a reflection of your WRs as they are your QB.

I stand corrected sir.

Remember Evero said we couldn't blitz against the Rams in that last drive because he didn't trust his guys in man - or something like that? This is the solution. And he's an actual solution.

Step brother. Different mothers, same dad.

That's a great pick. They are looking for a big nickel. One that can play man against TEs and slots.

Agree in zone. But he'd be our best man coverage safety - by a long shot. Allows us to blitz from nickel.

He's supremely confident in his coaches.

How do you know my wife?

He's mostly a one trick pony. But dam he's a killer at that trick.