Navy_football

Ok. You're right. Let's just hope every team plays Bryce in "prevent" the rest of the season. Peace out.

Just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth. I think Bryce decides who he's throwing to before the snap too often instead of reading what he sees post snap. Now alot of that is trying to influence the safety, but if the safety doesn't bite, he gets stuck and it turns into Bryce trying to make a play off schedule as the other options are gone. Cam did the same thing when Kelvin and Smitty were in the game. Bryce sees the field. He just gets a little stubborn sometimes. And that's when he gets himself into trouble. That and he doesn't trust guys to make plays on 3rd down. Instead of throwing to the open guy and letting them get the remaining 3-5 yards for the first, he'll wait until he can throw a guy to the markers. I don't think those physical limitations that keep being brought up is that real for him. Well... until he gets tackled and fumbles the ball at an alarming rate. But he has a strong enough arm, sees the field, and doesn't get injured by regular hits.

You do realize that first play was at 9:16 and they scored a TD before the 2 minute warning. 7 minutes is not a super long drive to come out with a TD. Longer developing plays is what helped get Carolina in the situation they were in. So you're suggesting they should have kept calling the same plays that weren't working? Are you suggesting Bryce keep throwing the same passes that weren't being completed? They were not in soft zone coverage. For comparison, this is Carolina's first defensive alignment in the 3rd quarter, and that's with only 1 WR on the field. Cardinals were in a normal alignment/depth to stop run or pass. Not a soft zone to give underneath passes to TEs/RBs only. The LBs would likely be closer to 10 yards deep and the DBs more like 15-20 yards in that scenario.

Agree he needs to clean up the costly turnovers. My opinion is that he's pretty good other than that. But that's kind of a big deal, so absolutely needs to minimize that stuff or he can't succeed. I don't beat up a QB because he occasionally doesn't see a guy come open. Every QB does that - occasionally.

Yes, that was the first TD pass to Renfrow in the right corner. Here's the presnap defense on the TD pass.

I don't know if they did or didn't. I do know they weren't giving up everything underneath.

Roger that. So 3rd quarter and on? No poster has framed it that way either. All I've heard was all of his yards were garbage time stats. Would it help if I showed the presnap defensive alignments starting in the 3rd quarter? Again, not trying to argue or show anyone up. Just trying to inform. For the record, this is the first offensive play in the 3rd quarter. Only 1 defender 10+ yards deep. 8 defenders are within 5 yards of the LOS. That is nobody's prevent formation, giving up everything underneath to TEs and RBs. I can do the entire drive if you want. Let me know. Here's 3rd down of that drive. Press with 7 on the LOS.

If Bryce protects the ball, we have a chance. If not, it gets ugly. Our Safeties are an absolute problem in coverage, so the offense will need to score - a lot. Our run defense is actually not that bad right now. Especially if Evero pulls Nick Scott after missing the tackle on the the first big run from Bijan. Ransom is a tackling machine. Neither seems great in coverage so at least put the strong tackler in the game.

Right! They really didn't send more than the front 4/5 the whole game. The first 2 times they did, and Carolina was passing, were BIG plays for them. Agree. I only mentioned the TD plays because they're scoring plays, and they tend to carry more weight. The main point is they were not sitting back in soft zone with everyone 20 yards back for 3+ quarters. They ran a lot of man and every completion wasn't a gimme. There were some tight window anticipation throws. He avoided pressure and made good throws - some were caught, some weren't. The bigger concern is he needs to take care of the dang ball. This isn't the Bryce we saw his rookie year or the first 2 games last year. That guy was afraid to throw the ball in a tight window or down the field.

I don't think they changed as much as you think between the INT and the final sack (immediate pressure with 4 linemen). They definitely stopped blitzing as much, if a blitz means rushing more than the front 4/5. They definitely did some exotic packages where they sent LBs/DBs and dropped linemen into coverage though. The fumble and INT were both blitzes. And yes they were successful. And yes, I agreed with Bryce not taking care of the ball. Really not many answers on those plays - just take the sack and live another play (unless you're Lamar). Which he didn't do. And no, you can't run prevent on the goal line. What's prevent defense to you? Alignment, personnel, cushion, etc.? Just curious. My reply was to the post that they sat back in some soft zone the whole game - until the end, when it mattered. That's not true. They blitzed, they disguised coverages and blitzers, they pressed, they bailed, they covered the flats, all of that. Not trying to argue. Just trying to inform. Actually they only blitzed once on the final drive, and the DB got away with a bad hold on Tremayne. Otherwise looked like it would have been a completion for a first down. The Cardinals' final drive defense looked a lot like the rest of the game. I know it's easy to get upset after a lose (I'm guilty), but Mondays are when cooler heads prevail. Right? Emotions can make us seem like we don't know what we're talking about. The Huddle isn't supposed to be that. I always saw it as a place to go discuss the Carolina Panthers with more than the casual fan, and their emotionally charged opinions. I can get that at the local grocery store, where they don't know anything about NC/SC, let alone the Panthers.

Sure did. So did the rest of the offense. Bryce mostly put up prayer balls, receivers didn't make plays on them, and the line turned to crap. Just like they started.

Literally said horrible start actually. Stop trying to argue for argument's sake sir. I'm just stating facts mixed with my interpretations of replays. No emotions involved. That's for women and children. And you don't have to try to make me look bad to prop yourself up. That's immature. The Cardinals were in man for the last TD to Renfrow. Likely a cover 2 man under, but definitely man under. They were in man under for the pass to Renfrow to put it on the 1 yard line. They were in man under for Renfrow's first TD. They were in man under for Chuba's TD catch, though it was a broken coverage. Looking at the replays, not going off my feelings:( I'm not saying BY was 100% on point. Never did. No QB ever is. EVER. Except for a Jayden Daniels game last year. That was something to behold. I've called Bryce out plenty the last 2 weeks. WRs were obviously gassed on that final drive though. Can't say I blame them, but they were sucking wind, barely running routes. The only one that looked like he had something left in the tank was Legette. So, at least he's in great shape! But Bryce had given up on him by then. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a problem in the locker room by season's end.

Garbage stats? So he threw for 250 yards and 3 TDs in garbage time only? Well if that's the case then the worst teams should lead the NFL in passing every year. Geez. Slow start? Heck yes. Horrible start actually. But that doesn't take away from how he finished. A defense might give you one drive to close the gap, but they ain't giving you 3.

Few observations: BY is 11th in passing yards and tied for 6th in TDs. Of course there are negatives (like INTs and fumbles), but there is at least still some hope. Some. Bryce needs to cut down on the dumb turnovers. Accept when the play is lost and just slide, get down, and/or throw the ball away. 3rd year in, he has to figure this out at some point. Fix the horrible lapses in pass pro. Really need a Center that can communicate protections. Can't give defenders free lanes untouched directly to the QB. Surprised Bryce hasn't been injured yet. As small as he is, he is incredibly durable. Catch the ball when it hits you in the hands. That's a reasonable expectation for an NFL WR or TE. Renfrow dropped a TD that hit him in both hands and the DB didn't knock it out. That changes the end of the game. Sanders dropped a really good pass from Bryce on the run. The INT later in that drive probably never happens if he catches that pass. Sit Legette until he's ready - or at least limit his snaps. Forcing those 2 touches (1st and 2nd down) is what really led to the INT on that drive (3rd down). Tremayne is easily an upgrade. Shouldn't be a decision - at all. He's actually holding the offense back at this point. The run defense is improving, but they need a cover safety. Nick Scott ain't it, and Moehrig isn't good in that area either. Can CSW convert? Can Ramsom replace Nick Scott? ILB is hurting the team. Defensive line and CBs are actually pretty good now. Mike Jack is turning into a steal at the contract he just signed. That PI against MHJ was complete BS. He was looking back for the ball and had his hands in the air. He has as much of a right to a spot as the WR. Defense is closer than we thought they'd be. Offense needs to clean up a few areas, but they seem to still be figuring out who they are and developing chemistry with the WRs that will actually play. Speaking of that, time to get Horn in the game. Keep pounding Carolina! Still my team. Although I'm less than an hour from WAS and less than 2 hours from the Ravens. We're not a good team, but at least they were entertaining Sunday.

Yeah, not his fault he was drafted so high. But he might want to learn to play special teams. Have a feeling Tremayne will get a lot more snaps at WR next Sunday. Should probably get Horn up to speed too. Once Coker is back, they could have a real receiving corps.

Cool story. Again, this is the first time I can remember him disappearing at the end of a close game. Always thought we could at least hang our hats on that. Not so much tonight.

So we're upset that the team tried to win in the 4th quarter? Bryce has always been good at the end of games. It's the first 3.75 quarters he needs to tighten up. This is the first time I can remember him having a chance at the end of a game and disappearing.

Serious?!! Don't play with me. I can't watch the game.

So is Bryce looking respectable or are they still in prevent soft zones? Can't watch today.

This team is really bad. Really bad.

WTF. How do they have 10 point with 9 yards of total offense

Linebackers just aren't getting it done. Chris Paul Jr is on Seattle's practice squad and Dan should really go get him. He'd be starting here in 3-4 weeks.

I actually think David Moore needs to play ahead of XL right now. Or find a way to get Horn in the game. XL has some soul searching to do. Canales tried to make him a gadget player, but we can't even do that right. All the potential in the world but he's a work in progress.

Yeah, he could absolutely be more consistent. But what QB do you want me to show you how they miss throws every game? You could probably pick any QB in the NFL and do a cut up of missed throws in every game - and they'll likely have better WRs than Carolina. Well, there was that Jayden Daniels game last year where he completed like 90% of his passes. He was just in a friggin zone. Don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. But that ain't the norm.

No one. Why do you think that is? Because they love Bryce Young's media presence, or because they realize the TEAM is an absolute shiite show that very few QBs could have success in? Knowing what you know about Tepper, which do you think is the reason? Don't try to overthink it. It's the obvious answer. These receivers aren't good - yet. Did you watch last night's game? How do you think our receivers stack up to GB and WAS receivers? Hot take... Renfrow should have caught the pass he took a shot on. Sanders caught the exact same pass running the exact same route with the exact same hit later in the game. There was another pass down the sideline that Renfrow should have caught and got his feet inbounds. The pass that was thrown short was a bad throw by Bryce. He flat out missed that throw. No argument there - and a great play call/design by Canales. But a better receiver either catches the ball or draws a PI with the defender's back towards the ball. The defender never saw the ball. He 100% played the receiver. Bryce isn't exactly killing it, but his receivers aren't doing him any favors either. Their job is to make QBs right, not the other way around. Any Joe SHOULD be able to go out there and catch perfect passes in perfect calls where they're wide open. That doesn't make you an NFL wide receiver.