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I hear you bro, but you really don't know what the kid will turn out to be. None of us do. He is 5 games into his 2nd year. Why not be entertained when he shows some improvement while actually winning games? And yes. He will likely look horrible against the Chiefs and the team will likely lose by alot. This a young team with little talent. But we can still cheer for them. They aren't tanking and no one is giving up - that I can see. Except maybe Diontae, but he's gone now. That says a lot about the leadership.

Nah frank. Improvement doesn't mean good. No one on this board thinks Bryce or Dalton are good. I think we should be able to objectively acknowledge that Bryce has shown Improvement the last 3 games, without crapping on him and the team every time someone is positive. And I get it. There are different types of fans and most are bipolar. I've been at parties where fans were literally crapping on Dak and Lamar last season. Not realizing how much worse it could be. The huddle has had its bipolar moments in the past (with Cam and Jake) but this is the worst it's ever been. The defense could shut out the Chiefs and a group here would find a reason to downplay it. Bryce could throw for 200 yards and 3 TDs and it'd get picked apart. But you're right. We should accept each other's point of view and keep it civil and... maybe show a hint of optimism. Sports are supposed to be entertainment and make you happy. Right?

The huddle literally sucks right now. You guys could make a clown sad. Miserable mofos can't even enjoy back to back wins and improvement from the most important player on the team. Just forget it. It's all over. Throw it away. Sell the team to Yemen.

They seem to have a plan. That's all you can ask for. Strong convictions but also willing to make adjustments when necessary. And they aren't married to any player. Regardless of salary or draft position.

This so much! Need a guy that can make people miss in a phone booth and saucy off the press. Lateral quickness and straight line speed. I don't care how big he is. Diontae Johnson could have been that guy, but apparently he's a bit of a head case. So hopefully the front office at least sees the need too. Deven Thompkins fits the mold. Not sure he's very good though. Hopefully they find a way to get him involved.

Just curious. Are you suggesting they should have spent that money on defense instead of offense? Because the only defensive player that walked and was worth bringing back was Luvu. And they tried to get him back. He wanted to leave. Paying Burns $30M a year would have been the worst thing they could have done. Even worse than moving up to draft Bryce. That contract would have been crippling to the cap, and for a mediocre player. And I haven't done the math, but it seems there are just as many new players on defense as there are on offense. Injuries have been the biggest issue with that side of the ball. Improving the worst unit on the team should have always been the priority. Plus a stout o line will attract offensive players like that vet QB everyone wants. Chuba is having a career year. And yes, even Bryce Young is showing some signs of improvement. Change doesn't always happen overnight. But those were the right moves.

I don't think he was too small. He was about 220 and they played him there alot his rookie year when he was 2nd place DROY. Maybe another 10 pounds would have helped, but not absolutely necessary.

I don't think they'll take a 1st round QB. So any drafted player would be a later round project. I think bringing Dalton back for $5M-ish again would be fine. But he was brought in to be a backup on that contract. I don't believe they could convince him to come back at backup salary again. And he just isn't worth $10M+ at this stage in his career. We were already starting to see him break down after starting 3 games.

The closer he is to the LOS, the better he becomes. To me, he's a Robber or WLB. Lining him up at FS is beyond dumb.

The Panthers really shouldn't be planning to bring back Dalton for a starting salary. It would 100% be a desparation move by the front office. He's only good for 3-5 games at a time. Same with Theilen. He shouldn't factor in the Panthers' plans going forward. If anything, do him a solid and trade him in the off season - if he's still on contract.

I like Sanders too. He's absolutely fearless. And I love that. An athletic Jake Delhomme. He needs targets that can play though. I think the Panthers are getting there. Just need that smaller speed guy now. He'll have a Manning type career early on (lots of TDs but lots of INTs), but if they stick with him, he'll be successful after a couple of seasons. If he's available and our BPA, then they should absolutely take him.

I think a healthy Derrick Brown solves alot of problems with this current lineup. Losing him was huge. Remember, he usually plays every defensive snap. BTW, I think they should pull back from that. A guy that big should really be at around 70-75% snaps at most. If they can draft a contributing rookie pass rusher or defensive tackle, and then bring in an above average pass rushing vet, I think this defense takes off - with a healthy D. Brown. Oh and lock up Horn asap. The longer they wait, the more it'll cost. Secondary is good enough - starters and depth. Inside LBs need an upgrade and/or depth injection. They aren't that far off. Injuries have hurt them a ton.

If Bryce reverts back to playing scared, then he will definitely be replaced. If he keeps improving and giving his receivers a chance to make plays, then he'll continue to start. Second year QB isn't a finished product.

So he's out of runway after 5 games into his 2nd season, after he was picked #1 overall? Now that would be such a Panthers thing to do. If he's showing steady improvement, and doing the things that we thought he couldn't do last season and the first 2 games this season, then he needs to develop consistency. That's a better approach than running out to get another new QB that may or may not work out. Look. He's played horribly for the vast majority of his short career, but if he consistently shows improvement while winning games, then you don't just move on because he used to suck really bad. Particularly when he's still not in a desirable situation to put up numbers. Either way, continue to build the team. And when the team is good, then get the rookie QB if you need to. Until then, Bryce is showing enough development that he doesn't hinder the development of other players. Actually our young offensive players look better with Bryce than with Dalton. As soon as that isn't the case, he needs to go. Post haste.

Whoa!!! Take it easy. I'm only trying to give a little perspective. Good QBs with good WRs aren't really lighting up the Giants in the passing game. Bryce has been improving every week for the last 3 games. Agreed that his starting point was pretty freakin low, but at this point he isn't going in the wrong direction like the first 2 games. I get your take on him. You don't have to keep reminding everyone. I think almost everyone here agrees that he needs a lot of improvement to be handed the keys to the franchise. At this point, he's what we have. And Bryce Young figuring it out is the best thing for the Carolina Panthers. You don't have to agree. It's just the truth.

I think we're being a little harsh with the judgment towards Bryce right now. He is definitely showing growth. Just wish he could have shown this level of confidence last season. But to be fair, the oline and weapons were horrible for a rookie QB. So from here on out we should be able to see if the real Bryce Young can be an NFL franchise QB. Also can't forget he's playing with 3 rookies as his primary targets. The 7th WR taken off the board, a 4th round TE, and an UDFA WR. On paper, that's not a great scenario, particularly for a 2nd year QB. Take away a couple of drops and a silly illegal formation, and Bryce would have around 175 yards and 2 TDs Sunday. Here are some other passing numbers against the Giants this season: Burrows - 208 yds Hurts - 114 yds Daniels - 209 yards and 226 yards Darnold - 208 yards Watson - 196 yards Dak - 221 yards

I love the way he attacks the ball every time. That's a QB's best friend. Sanders, Legette and Coker all have that "go get the ball" gene. Unfortunately Mingo has the "let it come to me" gene. That leads to interceptions, PBUs and no PIs.

Burns type rushers are Ickey's worst nightmare. Better give him help. Would rather see a TE on Burns than Ickey

Ok I remember now. Thanks!

5 starter-level rookies and a likely 6th (consensus best RB in the draft) is insane in one off-season! Free agent moves were solid. Injuries hurt the defense alot. Plus traded a 7th round rookie for Michael Jackson who looks like a solid starter. I don't know man. I'm pretty impressed.

Was it really that bad? Don't remember seeing footage of when it actually happened. Sucks for him.

Yeah. Great athlete. Not an NFL wide receiver. Honestly think he'd be better on defense. In the future, carolina needs to make sure receiver prospects actually have ball skills. How does he track the ball, does he catch with his hands, does he highpoint balls, does he catch low passes, does he catch in traffic? Maybe start there. Then field awareness and route running. All of that is infinitely more important than size and 40 time.

Huge difference in this game. Biggest improvements being in Bryce's confidence in himself to throw the ball downfield, trust in his oline to protect, and trust in his receivers to make plays when covered. Nothing new with regards to throws and anticipation. He's always done that stuff. Just not consistently.

Frankw that's not what he's saying. Dalton has the best body of work so far this season. No one denies that. But you have a 37 years old QB who will be a FA next season that is trending down, and a 23 years old on a rookie contract trending upwards. You go with the young guy if possible. You find reasons to go with the young guy until he makes you go the other direction.

Would rather see Jordan Matthews out there than Ian Thomas.