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He's coming off an ACL tear, so his leverage is gonna be limited to a certain degree. I'd imagine a deal similar to what Odell got no matter where he lands.

I'd say Fields dynamic ability is attractive, but his passing is too inconsistent. Factor that with we traded up for Bryce, there's no way they'd invite that media circus here.

I'm not as low on Sanders as some, he and Chubba were both under 4 ypc under the last regime. Chubba - 3.8 (1 FUMB) - https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4241416/chuba-hubbard Sanders - 3.3 (2 FUMB) - https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4045163/miles-sanders --------------------------------------------------------------------- In my estimation the scheme / personnel were simply the issue because in 2022, and we won't even bring up Sanders (then) or even Swift (most recently) behind the PHI OL. Chuba behind ours in 2022 averaged 4.9 ypc, so even he averaged 1 yard less YPC in 2023. Last season offensively was a complete cluster, and while the personnel is still being put together it's hard to argue that really both of those guys suffered from the same issues this past season as neither was really better or worse than the other. It simply felt worse because they went out and spent some decent money on Miles, and Chuba is a 5th round guy that has improved since a rough rookie season.

1 or 4 down, with the Wonnum signing. Is he better than Brian...no, but he also costs 5x less, and is unlikely to have a season 5x worse than what Brian does in NY.

I know a lot was made of the Burns deal and lack of return, but it's common sense that when a team is gonna pay a guy -- 150/5 -- the trade investment will be less....should we have traded Burns maybe, but we also expected to retain him for less than the referenced amount. I lead with that to get into the following as his absence opened up 24M in the additional cap, and it looks like it is being put to good use.... The Defense: (* represents free agent) DL - Brown / Tuttle / Robinson* Edge - Johnson, Barno (TBD - Clowney*, Wonnum*, Young*) ILB - Shaq, Jewell* CB - Horn, Jackson* Nickel - Hill FS - Woods SS - (TBD - Fuller*) With Clowney, Wonnum, Young, and Fuller all visiting today / this week, we will possibly sign some combination of the four. For the sake of the exercise, just looking at those names in those positions above it's hard not to say this would be an improvement over last years personnel even with the absence of Brian. Not to mention the potential to add a piece or two within our first few top 100 selections. ____________________________________________________ The Offense: (* represents free agent -- ** represents a trade) QB - Young, Dalton HB - Sanders, Hubbard, Blackshear WR - Johnson**, Thielen, Mingo, ISM, Marshall TE - Tremble, Thomas T - Ickey, Moton G - Hunt*, Lewis* C - Corbett It's been a lot of commentary as to ''what is the plan'' I think anyone paying attention should see the plan is beginning to show itself, Morgan, and company have taken an ''inside, out'' approach to this free agency. The first three acquisitions were all positions closest to the ball on each respective side. Two guards, and an interior defensive lineman. From there the next acquisitions were -- ILB, CB, traded for a receiver If you believe in a more ''traditional'' approach to building a team this is the format, it stands to reason skill positions will likely be the focus of the draft with some depth interior pieces added per side of the ball. It will be interesting to see how all of this comes together over the Spring, but once you get past the Burns trade, and look at the comparison of Jewell to Luvu, it's easy to feel better about the decisions that are currently being made, especially if they close on a couple of the edge guys visiting currently.

It was a 3rd / 4th string caliber QBs til murray returned. Something to keep in mind.

The talent that was here was apart of losing seasons dating back to 2020, and some prior... We just came off a 2-15 season moving on from guys that are 27+ years old, and in some cases (Jackson) were average AT BEST is not a big deal.... Burns is a bit over-rated - #2 DE money is insane, but he got it Jackson couldn't cover anyone over 6' Bell is replaceable Luvu is a fan favorite, but 12M a year for a guy who is LB #2 and was never better overall in comparison to Shaq is also too much...he is also a coverage liability, he's serviceable there, but he's a down hill player, that's tough and plays hard. Every team needs guys like that, but not at 12M annually. 42M just for Brian and Luvu....nah man that's not it.

The situation then was not the same as today, those firsts were two, and three years away respectively at the time. And it stands to reason they believed they would get Brian resigned, but once he started talking 2nd overall DE money conversations crumbled and here we are.

You also run the risk of them paying a Danielle Hunter (16.5 sacks in 2023, only 29 Burns is 27 iirc), or going elsewhere, we didn't have leverage, and with Burns gone, our cap jumped even after the acquisitions. Per OTC - $25,483,547 in cap at the moment AFTER the initial signings, and we have well over 90M in 25' to help spread out extensions / signings. I like Burns as much as the next but not for 30M on average, is way too much, and that money is better spent building up the team in general.

I'd say this is a little pessimistic, coaching failed us in at least 1-3 games this past season. Five games won is a possibility, ''lucky to win three'', I'm not going that far. 6-6 with Darnold / Walker, McAdoo, and journeyman HB's with just one WR in Moore won't allow me to COMPLETELY sell on a functional offense in 24'. The OL in my opinion regressed because Frank came in and tried the ''my offense'' approach versus building on what we actually did well.

The difference between renegotiating, and restructuring seems to be lost on some. An extension would save money because you'd have more seasons to spread out the guarantees. Moton needs to stay, especially some consistency concerns with Ickey heading into yr 3.

Dunno why people just don't post it...

All y'all that wanna trade him to "get what we can" will be the same ones complaining about no pass rush. Burns, Brown, need to be built around ESPECIALLY while we have a rookie QB contract. Having more picks is just lottery tickets when you know you have a capable player. I would not pay elite money, but he deserves an extension.

Exaggerate much....1990...having a Power run attack with a 230 LB back is what MADE sense, we literally became a top running team.

So are we just going to ignore the absence of receivers that can separate, and the absence of a consistent, and reliable deep threat? What about the regression of the OL limiting time to throw down field? There were a lot of factors at play, and quite honestly we probably don't win a game without Bryce executing the comeback drives. Are people really so locked in on hating Bryce for whatever reason that the facts are continuously ignored as to the offense as a whole?

How does a QB make pass protection better when his blockers are beat at the snap... How does a QB create separation for receivers... How does a QB catch a pass that hit's a receiver in both hands when open... ---------------------- I get it some people weren't Bryce fans ( I wanted AR15), but at the same time, let's not be ignorant about the common sense aspects of this. Drastic differences for Stroud with Nico who no one knew of or cared about, and a mid round receiver in Dell, is that Stroud ACTUALLY has time in the pocket. Go look at Cam's season's with Bell, and Chandler at OT, we didn't do a whole lot those years. EVERY QB needs adequate talent around them, it is the most dependent position on the field, because you can't do a damn thing at QB without 1) a legit OL, and 2) weapons. We are not even going to get into scheme, like do you think Purdy is making -- CMC, Debbo, Aiyuk, and Kittle better....no, they make him look good. Trent Williams at LT you think Purdy is helping him block at the point of attack? Ya'll gotta stop these ignorant ass posts....

He was in the first...better than Getts, and Fitt....

Imagine those teams without Cam, Settlement was the worst GM.

Bro stop... Roquan Smith, Patrick Queen, Justin Madabuike, Marlon Humphrey, Kyle Hamilton....Oweh and Ojabo off the edge... And you got rhe nerve to say garbage....you don't have 60 sacks with garbage personnel. And Jadeveon and his 9.5 sacks would lead our team...

Letting him walk for nothing....and y'all the ones hating on Fitt smh. Franchise, work out a deal both sides can stomach, or trade. You don't lose him for nothing, that's simply not smart.

I think after a pick swap, the first this upcoming draft, DJ, and a 2nd in 2025 common sense would say to let it play out next year without allocating any more ''potentially'' unnecessary resources toward the QB position. IIRC we've invested 11 picks and have had 6 or 7 different starters at QB since 2020. So while I don't think anyone would be told ''THIS IS THE GUY PERIOD'' our situation does not lend itself to any other viable option at QB moving into next season. This is why most believe 25' is the first year we could see real change, that gives any staff a season to assess where we are under that new regime. Drafting / trading / signing a QB doesn't do anything for us based on the likely available options. We don't have the ''current'' draft capital to select a QB either without trading back to acquire picks so we can still address depth issues.

Bryce will probably get through next year as the starter, but I can see it playing out similarly to Fields if we find ourselves with a top 5 pick in 2025. Don't pick up the 5th year option, and have a ''possible'' trade asset. I'm half of the mind to tag and trade Burns ''if'' we can get a quality first plus some, if not you just have to pay him, and Brown and continue to build the front 7 around them as they both need solid compliments around them. We should be trying to add assets where we can via the cap space we have since our QB is on a rookie deal. I think we forget how big a loss both our starting Guards were because we didn't look this bad versus ATL Week 1, and they even managed to finish 7-10. We need to bring in a proven WR one, trade Thielen as it's clear he wants to move on to get what we can, and we need to add guys with some YAC / separation / vertical ability. Higgins / Chark (who is at least a vertical threat) / Mingo / and a quick twitch (Flowers / Dell / Hollywood Brown type) would round out the receiver room nicely. Similar to Tua, we have to acquire real legit receiving options.

We never started over a first time.

We get 4Ms foe next year, relax people. Houston was coming off 9 sacks last season, slow start with no camp then went to IR.

Corbett, Horn, Ickey, Chuba, Bozeman, not holding poor play under Reich against them. You could also consider Morgan Fox, Iaonnidis, and also Perryman before Rhule ran him out over vaccines. Scott has his faults, and the 2 and 12 highlights them, but there have been some solid moves as well. Rhule overlap hurts.