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TBF looking at 23' I think I'd take the future 1st, we will need ammunition to move up for a QB, prepping for that during this off-season / draft would go a long way in solidifying that position moving forward. I'm also not against selecting Willis while adding OL via trading back a time or two if the cards can fall right.

You can't trade either, CMC - Has a 26M DEAD cap hit for 22' and would create -12M in cap space Robbie - Has a 15.6M DEAD cap hit for 22' and would only save 1M People need to do some research before things like this are proposed, Teddy was moved because the coaches thought they could replace him with Darnold, and still had to eat a considerable amount of dead cap. You can't operate / waste cap that way two off-seasons in a row, especially if there are talks of trying to figure something out with Sam... Could you trade DJ Moore, yes but he's on a 5th year option, and a team may not be willing to pay a premium price for a receiver on a one year deal, and likely looking for premium compensation. You also don't get better trading away your best players, imagine where the passing game would be in his absence in this past season. I would not consider this team with a competent staff in ''burn it all down'' mode. Use the 6th to acquire more picks, and solidify the roster as a whole. IMO find a way to move Sam if a team agrees to take on some of the guaranteed salary and keep Cam as he'd perform the better of the two with a competent OL. If you can't find a partner for Sam, we are forced due to his 18M guaranteed to likely ride it out with him for 22' and Cam is released...again. In 23' we should be in a better position roster wise to move up for a QB where the talent is expected to be higher.

This is what we need to hope, and then kick ourselves for not operating with intelligence last year as we owe a bum 19M. For all the talk of treating Sam like a rookie, oh he's just one of 53, you opted to pick up his 5th year without one snap and committed guarantees to him as though he was NOT A ROOKIE. He was 4M in 2021, that salary will more than quadruple for 22' that is insane roster / cap management, we all know Sam is not an answer moving forward. And we passed on a QB to take a corner. Could have had a REAL competition, and went with the best man, yet here we are still trying to figure something out.

3 to 12, not 6 (where we are) to 12; and that trade up was for a QB most people at that time was thought to have the highest ceiling. Pickett, Corrall, Howell, Willis, and Ridder -- I don't think anyone is going to come out of pocket ''like that'' to move up for one of them.

I'm putting that trade on Rhule, Scott facilitated the request. If we feel good about Christensen at LT, I'm ok with 1-2 first round trade backs to put us in position to address IOL with multiple day 1 / 2 picks. Fix the OL IMO has to be a focus this off-season, if you can pass pro / run block everyone gets a little bit better.

Yeah, but you also have to be careful passing up good players to acquire more on day 2 and 3, it's a balance, SEA trades back a lot and their drafts overall have not been great these past few years if memory serves off the top of my head aside from Metcalf. Fitterer IMO had an impressive draft, but Rhule / the staff not getting guys like - TMJ, Christensen, Shi, and Brown on the field more while Tremble at least saw some work is what really concerns me. All of them showed well from what we got to see from camp / pre-season, yet our 2nd round pick TMJ hardly ever seemed to be involved in the offense even though we spend a good amount of time in 11 personnel.

Will Rhule survive Monday, January 10th...aka ''Black Monday'' That's what this will all boil down to, and even if Pickett is his guy, we have cap with some names to secure long term (Moore, Jackson or Gilmore, etc.) so money for OL will be limited in free agency to some degree. We almost don't have a choice in regard to trading down to make sure we can acquire some top OL talent since we don't have a 2nd or 3rd this year, and I doubt if we did it's outside the top 15, Fitterer was quoted if memory serves talking about the drop off around that point in the first. I am truly intrigued to see what happens this off-season, we have a lot of talent at some key spots, the OL, and QB play really held us back, I'm honestly impressed with what the defense did all things considered.

So with things essentially set with us picking at 6, and at best 4th if miraculous wonders are worked, how would you feel about the compensation below. Moving to 12th, added a 4th in the same draft, and a first the following year. I know many were speculating trying to recoup a 2nd and possibly a 3rd, with no real ''top tier'' QB talents like we saw in 2021 what will we be the value of the 6th pick, and what will we be able to recoup in a trade back; or would we trade back multiple times in the first, or after in order to do so.

It's 1000% there

Bahahahahahahahahaha, I love this answer, I was at the game, we're poo, even when the score is within a possession, we don't / can't put a drive together outside the opening one.

Brady did play well, the sacks were from the IOL, there was nowhere to step up. Those aren't on Moton or BC.

To be fair, most of this staff is Rhule guys so even firing him now who would you promote. He's going down with the ship, and I feel it will be reset in the off-season, let the GM do his damn job. Rhule had two years to ''build his program'' it's in the same state it was to end last year, the OL is bad all over again, and he's throwing the starting QB under the bus again. Anyone watching unbiasedly could argue the team has regressed under him. We had DJ - 1K +, Robbie 1K +, Curtis Samuel 1K plus combined yards. + ,and Mike Davis 1K plus combined yards on offense last season. Now the only one sniffing that is DJ, and some fans have the nerve to critique his ability when he's been the only real consistent threat on offense this year. CMC stays nicked up, and the staff keeps trotting our Erving like he's ''All NFL'' the one time I saw Deonte Brown on the field he was man handling a guy, and even if Christensen is inexperienced, he can't have less upside than Erving. This offense has just been mishandled completely, and to be fair the defense is fairly impressive and would likely be even more so if the offense was not so inept.

Can't do all that and draft Howell with no 2nd, or 3rd round picks, with guys like Gilmore, Jackson, and Reddick on the re-sign dockett. Getting a 1st round QB needs to likely leave people's minds. We NEED to trade back, and accumulate more picks inside the first two days of the draft. Our best bet is keeping Cam on a 1-2 year deal, he needs to be the bridge, off-load Sam (even if that means eating 3/4 of the guarantees) Use the newly acquired trade capitol to address the OL on the first two days of the draft, and with extra picks if a Malik Willis falls due to ''needs time to develop'' we can afford to do so. But Rhule needs to go, he showed his true colors ''not wanting to hurt Sam's feelings'', versus sh****** on Cam each and every chance he gets, it's clear he NEVER wanted Cam, though Cam's resume' at the NFL level still usurps Rhules and he knew it. This ''program'' crap is not an NFL ideal that can be realized.

Take the 1st step, I think Tep clears house this off-season as far as Rhule and his hand picked staff.

Its hard to see WHEN YOU HAVE AN AGENDA

Because people are stupid, this teams needs a real coach, and an OL.

This is the only logical option, we don't have a 2nd or 3rd, we need to trade back and acquire multiple picks. Spend money on a PROVEN tackle if available, and use the picks to supplement the interior OL where there's usually more options, unless a Tackle falls to our new pick via trade back. Since this is logical, we'll likely draft a LB'er.

Yo, Matt Rhule has got to be the pettiest f****** coach in the NFL, when you're not one of ''his guys'' this is the treatment, he handled Teddy the same way late last season too. Matt has got to go, he's not an NFL caliber coach.

Because these coaches suck at coaching.

Walk ins because no one EXPECTS him to run are NOT impressive. Sam is not good, has talent but not food, those INTs from clean pockets, fumbles, and meltdowns. No defense respects his presence. At the bare minimum Cam brings that, and we're not at the bare minimum with Cam.

This imo sums it up. Rhule's a control freak, ad Cam was the ONE player at the time that had more sway with the roster than the coach. NFL players respect Cam, he has a SB appearance and MVP to his name. Rhule came in with a nice college resume but nothing that would compare to Cam's at the professional level. Therefore to attain that power / voice Cam had to go, and Rhule screwed up QB TWO SEASONS IN A ROW.

His success there is more a product of the fact that they are likely on the field a lot on defense. He's a LB'er making tackles, he's still average in coverage and is a two down guy. We're not missing out on anything special, he's a solid run stuffing guy. Carter showed enough while Perryman was hurt / unvaccinated to win the job. It's odd people keep bringing him up like he'd make a huge difference here.

Moore and Anderson were why some thought Darnold could be ok to good here, two seemingly legit 1K threats, alongside a true three down runner. And then the coach forgot about this thing called an offensive line, and has made it worse with ''questionable'' position assignments. Note - I was never on the Darnold train, I wanted Fields*

It's simple, Rhule don't know how to evaluate OL, same as Ron.