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Pretty sure it was for the same deal. WAS just didn't offer until BUF did.

He may have started that way, but I think the market is humbling him a bit, to be fair, there are a lot of corners sitting they may be waiting on Gilmore's deal to possibly establish the market. I can't think of any marquee corners signed off the top of my head, though there have been ''some'' signings in what feels like the middle tier.

With the ''trade'' business out of the way the focus has shifted back to FA, as we round up some of the moves / current roster, we are starting to look like we're in better shape than last year with the exclusion of a proven edge rusher opposite Burns. The plan could be to see YGM's role increase with Haynes being rotational as he has been, though I'd still like to see a veteran addition. ___________________________________________________________________________________ EDGE - Burns / Haynes -- We need to add depth here vet FA's availabe -- Clowney / Ingram / Hughes DL - Brown / Ioannidis / YGM -- I like our depth here with Roy / Nixon / Haskins -- the three referenced above can pay the Nickel / 4-3 DE positions opposite Burns ILB - Shaq / Luvu / Wilson / Chinn on passing downs, and in some base sets -- depth is still a bit of concern here, but off ball LB'er is general cheap in relation to depth CB - Horn / Henderson / Taylor -- I could see us adding Jackson back, he's a niche corner and had that role here as the move piece to match the smaller quicker WRs S - Chinn / Woods / Tre' Boston's mystery FA -- Hartsfield / Robinson are nice depth -- I honestly wonder if Chandler and Franklin make the roster this year

Ioannidis signing

So this may be more exact, I found this after my post; none the less, we have a good amount of cap to address needs, considerably more than last off-season with a lot of talent still out there.

So far as I can tell Spotrac is yet to be updated as we still show the following: Cap Space (w/All) $21,852,673 Cap Space (w/Top 51) $28,437,673 Robbie's restructure freed up roughly -- 5.8M Math leads us to an estimate of (and I'm rounding down here) -- 28.4M + 5.8M = (34.2M w/ Top 51 -- 27M'ish w/ All) Either way that is a considerable amount of cap to work with, outside of QB immediate areas of need would seem to be: Edge IOL IDL CB I could see good money being invested at the IOL positions as I believe we are looking at Brady as a viable young LT, I'm not against adding a proven ''quality'' veteran at LT either; I just think it's a little lower on the list versus the interior. If we plan to have a true power / more vertical run game IOL is where we need to see improvement. Available FA's: Bozeman / Tretter -- I like both of these options as to me Elflein is a fringe starter at G, and is slightly better at C where he is currently forecast. I like the idea of upgrading C, and giving Deonte Brown a look at LG where he spent a good amount of his time at ALA. There's not a lot behind Brian Burns on the edge, YGM, and Haynes have flashed, and have shown potential, though having a veteran as a part of the rotation I think could do us some good. There are some veterans out there who could probably get you 5-9 sacks, add that to the YGM, and Haynes rotation and you can replace Reddick's production while creating valuable depth to get through 17 games. Available FA's: Clowney / Ingram / Hughes / Houston / Carter -- these are all middle tier veterans that shouldn't have to high of price tags, but should be able to pair well opposite Burns, they can all play in a 2, or 3 point stance considering we have a more hybrid front versus a traditional 4-3 or 3-4 The interior DL could also use a veteran presence - Brown / Roy / Nixon / Hoskins, are all 3 years or less NFL experience, we could use a 3T to pair on the inside with Brown for more push on pass downs and maybe that's Nixon, but I think we could use an upgrade behind Brown. Available FA's: Ioannidis / Hicks / Richardson -- Ioannidis is probably my preference over anyone else in this group, considering his experience in multiple fronts, it would forecast to be a good fit, and a premium upgrade over Fox. Hicks, and Richardson would be nice supplemental options. The cornerback room to me even with the loss of Gilmore, and Jackson is still in really good shape. Horn has the potential to become a top tier corner in this league, and Henderson is as athletic as they come but also has the size (6'1'') to play big WR's as well. Taylor, Pride off the ACL in PS, Hartsfield, and STO are all nice depth, but just like the other positions could stand to add a veteran presence. This group combined with the return of Steve Wilks has me honestly excited to see what they can become. Available FA's: Jackson / King -- I think it makes sense for us to bring DJ back, his stature will likely limit his market, and with our available space we could make it work. King is coming off injury, and has the size / athleticism this staff covets. After these two I'm not overly impressed with the available FA's and Gilmore seems as good as gone.

I would rather see us add IOL upgrades, I personally like what I saw from Brady at LT. I think he only gets better with more opportunity and more consistent OL play. I think the ship has sailed on trading for a QB, trading for a lesser QB than what we targeted last year landed us Darnold. Let's avoid that mistake. Picks for Jimmy G who couldn't get it done on a STACKED San Francisco roster IS NOT the answer, neither is Baker, and neither is a guy like Minshew.

Ignorance is bliss, context doesn't matter when you live in ignorance.

Ryan has a NTC if memory serves. EDIT: NTC confirmed

Will not make my Madden 23 Franchise roster lol

I'm just dealing with the surface numbers. This was designed to provide a summary and the 35M is what is referenced in most reports so I kept my thoughts tied to that amount. If you're referring to OTC as I used Spotrac -- the 16.2M is the dead money, and the 24M is the cap savings. If the trade is made and designated as a ''post'' June 1st trade -- the 5.4M is the dead money, and the 35M is the cap savings. So we are both right, I'm going off the one that is more so in HOU's favor / reported on the most that I have seen at least -- ie: the one with less dead money for HOU and most beneficial to them cap wise** https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/houston-texans/

They do this by restructuring contracts, and turning the base value for the current season into a signing bonus which is prorated over the life of the contract, even across ''voidable'' years. By doing so they can lower the cost of a player on the current seasons cap, and using the basic fact that the salary cap will increase each year they're able to continue this trend of ''over the cap, then back under the cap''. There's been some times where it's limited them as every so often the money catches up, but when you have likely a HOF coach, and QB, you can generally get away with it. We saw an example of it catching up to them with Armstead hitting free agency.

Deshaun Watson QB $35,000,000 $5,400,000 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/ The 35M is his BASE salary, the part that HOU ''is not'' responsible for in a trade -- CAR / ATL / CLE / NO would pay that. They are on the hook for guaranteed money owed - the 5.4M Obviously things like salary / who pays what can ALSO be negotiated -- see the Teddy trade to DEN as a recent example.

Thank you.

I would like to see Deonte Brown at LG -- I'm not against the above, but I liked what I saw out of him in the time he played. He MOVED the LOS at his spot, and seemed to hold up well versus the pass. Was a starter at LG for ALA, so the familiarity is there, as I am also interested to see what Brady can do in a full season at LT. I would prefer a trade back inside the top 15, and acquire a future 1st, and day 2 picks for this year to add more depth in other areas, and still have the chance to select a QB with a better all around roster.

I never said it could not be done, I was pointing out that it ''has not'' been done, and signing Maye wasn't a catalyst for it to have been done.

Marcus Maye FS - - - - - - - - - 0.00 I go by what the site says my guy, his values on that deal are not out yet, and a 3yr / 28.5M deal does not mean ''30M'' in cap was created. 15M guaranteed over 3 years is 5M prorated over the life of the contract meaning at minimum he'd count as 5M this year + what ever the base salary is. There is also a possibility of void years after those three to lower the cap hit even more. None of that points to ''30M'' in cap being created.

Not true -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/ Cap Space (w/All) $-4,090,219 Cap Space (w/Top 51) $4,024,781 ____________________________________________________ It's possible they clear the space to add him, but the question is who will be on the team to play with him worth while, they've already restructured most of their main guys. I'd wonder who else they could look to after having to make room for him that they could then restructure to create actual cap space to address their other roster vacancies.

Let's not discuss the ''player'' let's look at the rumored destinations, and how these team's cap situations look as of today...3/16/22 New Orleans - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap/ Cap Space (w/All) $-4,090,219 Cap Space (w/Top 51) $4,024,781 Cleveland Browns - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/cap/ Cap Space (w/All) $13,452,601 Cap Space (w/Top 51) $16,977,601 Atlanta Falcons - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/atlanta-falcons/cap/ Cap Space (w/All) $17,424,973 Cap Space (w/Top 51) $17,424,973 Carolina Panthers - https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/cap/ Cap Space (w/All) $26,162,673 Cap Space (w/Top 51) $30,392,673 __________________________________________________________________________________________________________ It's pretty clear Carolina would have the least amount of work to do to ''fit'' the salary (35M for 2022) and with an immediate extension as this would apply to all teams interested could lower his cap number to help with the transition. With the NTC available, it will be really interesting to see how these other destinations make the numbers work as they'd need to do the following... Cap Space Needed to be created: (Based on ''With All'' and round up) NO - 40M CLE - 23M ATL - 18M CAR - 10M ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ With factors like these in place the winning bid will have to do some cap gymnastics to make it work, it's been reported HOU prefers not to deal in the AFC, and the player prefers a warm weather location (SEA was not even given the opportunity to meet based on reports). With that in mind it feels more like CLE was brought in to drive up the cost for the out of conference bidders, NO / ATL / CAR. It's interesting that ATL is in this race considering Matt Ryan's contract -- it's unlikely he'd restructure to accommodate a deal to be traded elsewhere and IF released he has a dead cap hit of 55.25M -- Not to mention the cupboards are bare at the skill position, Ridley suspended for the year, Cordarell is a FA who could likely cash in elsewhere, and that just leaves Kyle Pitts. Looking at the situation in NO, just having to create the 40M in cap even with their history of cap navigation is a huge amount ''just to fit the player''; take into additional account filling out the roster, and draft picks. This effort would be a considerable challenge but obviously worth the trouble if they're the choice. Aside from that they are thin offensively as well; Armstead is a free agent, Kamara could be facing suspension after the issues in Vegas, the only established receiver is Michael Thomas and we've all seen the Diva he can be with no other real threats behind him, the TE position is also a ''?''. My question there is how would they build around him, and that defense is a bit older / expensive. This also goes without saying, as much as you may hate him, there's no Sean Payton; it's Dennis Allen, the consistency on offense at least that he provided won't be there. Finally, looking at Carolina, even if they're not the ''1st'' choice, we are probably the best landing spot for a chance to have success moving forward, we have the least amount of work to do to make the trade possible, and have more young talent to help offset the lack of draft capitol once a trade is completed. To me Rhule is not an attractive proposition much like Allen in New Orleans, at the very least I'd anticipate the Carolinas would embrace him given the Clemson ties. Depending on what we'd have to give up, I think we're in the best position to lose some pieces, but still be in position to add if we're able to sign ''the player'' as we have the most cap and would require the least work to fit him in. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ With some of these factors in mind, my head says Carolina makes the most sense, but these things are not always about that. I'm not for or against the move, as I think trading back and allocating assets for day two and a future 1st while adding a rookie this year makes the most sense in the long run. However I am not an owner with 4 straight losing seasons, nor a coach with just 10 wins in 2 years either. I still blame them for not taking IMO Fields who had the most upside between him and Jones last year as we could be in a position of BPA, trade back to offset the picks from the Darnold deal while continuing to build a roster with the value of a rookie contract at QB.

Those voidable years still become dead money, they just allow room in the current year. So even when the dead money starts to hit you just do this for the other contracts on the team to ''create'' more space. The cap essentially goes up EVERY year, and the NFL isn't ending anytime soon, so with those factors in mind, you could as we have seen with them do this EVERY year.

You just have to let some people remain ignorant... Haynes was a good signing as depth, 2yr / 2M is peanuts all things considered, when you look at his production over play time (aka spot duty) it is easy to see the value as a rotational rusher on passing downs. 2021 - 3 sacks 2020 - 4 sacks No reason to be upset about retaining a guy that can give you ''something'' off the bench and for cheap.

No, I'd rather draft a rookie, and keep the assets. For his situation, the price is too high. We're not a QB away, and trading any of our young defensive pieces while paying premium for a QB and no draft picks for a guy who ain't played in a year.... Miss me with that shiiiiii

Likely because they're prepping for Keenan to be gone in a year or two and projecting the value to some degree.

And any other backup is likely to be just as bad but cost more so...appreciate the input Not to mention that is a non-guaranteed contract there's no dead money tied to it. So uhhhh yea good talk my guy It's literally non cap impactful no matter what happens, but at the very least you have the position accounted for. Or would you rather a more experienced, more expensive, still shitty back up...oh wait that's Darnold

You really whining about this -- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/phillip-walker-22025/ $895,000 to have a back up QB for CHEAP knowing that there are other cap allocations needed elsewhere? The PJ extension shouldn't even garner attention, we have a back up the end; yet people were freaking out like they set some kind of record retaining him.