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Rooney satisfaction. Though they have a black QB so maybe since Kyler is rumored to have ''next coach'' input I can see it.

Not as a HC, I want to say he garnered some attention as a DC, we are talking about HC options atm. So if you are Wilks and your goal is to be a HC why would you interview for less. Flores was added to Pittsburgh roster due to Mike Tomlin creating a job as he was not a coordinator. That was ''minority'' coaches sticking together. You expect a one year OC, turned first year HC to ''out plan / out coach'' seasoned NFL veteran coaches? Look what we did to Ben Johnson's offense... Held their run game to 2.6 ypc Kept Amon-Ra under 100 receiving, and outside CJ getting mossed (51 yards) Chark was 3 for 57 _________________________________________________________ Are we talking about that kind of ''out planning / out coaching''? I mention Ben as he was the ''hot'' name. Ya'll forget Rhule was one of if not the ''HOTTEST'' name that cycle with a ''reputation'' for rebuilding programs. I'm just saying thinking that a 1st year OC turned HC is the way to the promised land is ''wishful'' thinking at best. And I get it offense has been so inept here, and we see NFL trends etc. but you also can't buy into the ''hype'' too much. Which is why I suggested Wilks on a 3yr / avg sal contract. Short enough to move on if needed, or room for an extension if earned inside two years. What we need more than anything that ALL of these OCs that people love so much have, is a QUARTERBACK. A Pep Hamilton pairing, I'd be open to Scott Turner returning, bringing in a coach from the SF, or LAR staff to be the OC makes sense to me as well. I'm just not sold on the ''inexperienced HC route''. Not after Rhule, and not with all the failure we've seen when teams try to ''find the next''. We can talk about the MIA coach, but look at the team he inherited...and what they did with all that cap space (Hill / Armstead / Chubb / etc.) Taylor and CIN, hit on a number one QB overall, and as time has shown you have about a 50% chance to hit. Kingsbury flamed out in ARI, and ended up at odds with ''his guy'' at QB. Nathaniel Hackett GB QB guru - 4-11 and fired with Russell Wilson, as bad as a season as they had, we all have seen Russ up close versus us over the years, he's not like what we saw this year. There are other examples over the years, if we went the offensive coach route, give me Reich or Caldwell, I want experience first and foremost and they have legit resumes.

Each of those coaches got us to a Superbowl... Not a strong argument, hell even with no QB in WAS Rivera made the playoffs, but you want to turn it over to an even less experienced person that Matt Rhule that just happens to have a year under their belt as an OC? I understand the trend, I also understand that trend has failed in several places that tried to follow suit. There's only so many McVays / Shanahans. Ben Johnson 1st year OC, Ken Dorsey 1st year OC, etc. I want more offensive focus, but I also want a legit HC, Wilks showed you what he could do with basically nothing. The time in ARI in my opinion is a wash all things considered which I outlined above.

I think many forget he's suing the NFL... I'd wager that has more to due with outside lack of interest, Brian Flores ring a bell for any of you... Not saying we need to agree, but it's more than his resume' And the year (2017) he was the DC was the year we had the worst secondary personnel I may have ever witnessed outside of Bradberry, who remembers Daryl Worley, Kevon Seymour, old Munnerlyn Ladarius Gunter...like let's keep it a buck, that 2017 defense outside of Luke, and an aging TD58 was trash. Kawaan Short was two years removed from his record setting year, Charles Johnson was in his LAST year with the team, and Addison...that defense was trash every day of the weak, and 2x on Sundays. And even with all of that to consider...we were 11th in points allowed, and 7th in yards allowed -- https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/car/2017.htm The frustration you are likely recalling was tied to the BEGININNING of that season as he was running a lot of man with pressure and guys like Worley was getting chewed up, when we went back to the ''keep it in front'' style based on personnel we ended up with one of the best defenses in the league which is WHY he got the HC opportunity in the first place.

14th in rush yards allowed per run 22nd in pass yards per game allowed 22nd in total yards per game allowed 25th in sacks 23rd in 3rd down percentage 19th in points allowed ____________________________________________________ I wouldn't call the defense awful -- let's put it in context, no one after Brian Burans (12.5 sacks) that can rush the passer, no one after Jaycee Horn, and in some of your cases begrudgingly so after Donte' Jackson. A list of JAGs on the IDL, and Off-ball LB'er, Shaq is good but over-paid, Luvu had a career year but has limitations, Wilson fell out the rotation, and Littleton was a decent contributor. With the emergence of Derrick Brown, and IO the IDL depth was weak. Even with those things, finishing 19th in PPG allowed is relatively impressive, for an offense as limited as ours was it was clear in several games the team just got tired on defense. Being top 15 in the league versus rushing yards per play is impressive as well. Some Playoff teams worse than 19th in PPG allowed: 18th - GB (included as they were one rank above us, but have a HOF QB) 21st - LAC 24th MIA 25th - SEA 29th - MIN 30th - DET (included since they were a fringe playoff team if they could beat us) _______________________________________________________ The one thing all those teams have in common...they all had legit offenses with either a combination of competent coaching, quarterback play, or both. No one here is gonna say Darnold is competent, at best you could maybe say streaky...he's inconsistent. The saying is, and always will fall back to, ''the best defense is a good offense'' and we haven't had a ''good offense'' since 2018 before Cam got injured.

There's a lot of buzz out there and rightfully so, but I think we should hire Steve Wilks. Think about where we were in as recent as 2018 -- 6-2, on the verge of a playoff caliber season, and then the hit happens. Fast forward to 2019 -- Lisfranc ends Cam's season in by Week 3 I believe it was (The TNF game where CMC came up short to win) 2020 - 2022 - The biggest poo show I have EVER witnessed at the professional level (outside Meyer), Rhule comes in preaching a college style rebuild, strips any and all ties to what makes the Panthers the Panthers in the first place, and inserts his generic ''insert team name here'' OOU crap (if you don't know about the OOU stuff look it up) In this time we cut Cam, and replace him with Teddy B for ''MORE MONEY'' only to trade him a season later for a 6th or 7th while eating dead cap, we pass on QBs in the 2021 draft because we traded for Sam and gave up a haul to get for a QB who was a bust at that point, and before the 2021 draft ends, we've guaranteed his 5th year at short of 19M. Sam and the OL are a complete poo show in 2021, in 2022 we trade for another QB his current team wanted to replace / upgrade from Baker Mayfield, who somehow even with the new OL, CMC, and DJ was worse than Sam, and ends up benched in favor of PJ Walker. In this time Rhule won 11 games - 5-11 / 5-12 / 1-4 - two and a half years into his ''7'' year plan. _______________________________________________________ I say all of that to set up the following, anyone with a set of eyes knows that Wilks was set up to fail once management decided not to let him select his QB - ''see Josh Rosen since his time in ARI''. People may forget how old that team had become after the Bruce Arians run there with Carson Palmer. Wilks finishes 3-13 and is replaced by an inexperienced coach, who was just FIRED in college, and is given the chance to draft ''his guy'' Kyler number one overall only to be fired after the 3rd year. Wilks helped the Panthers become a serious team again going 6-6 over 12 games winning more games in a shortened stint than Rhule ever did in any full season, and did so with even less than Rhule had at his disposal at any point in time. CMC was injured under Rhule...ok he was traded for a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. Robbie who was a thousand yard receiver became a JAG with Sam, and Baker, he was eventually traded away for a 5th from ARI if memory serves. Chuba who many of us likely loathed after the bad hands / fumbles in his rookie year, all of a sudden became a legit contributor, and D'Onta established himself as one of the better backs in the league run production wise, and was less than 100 yards away from a 1,000 yard season had it not been for a weak ejection in Week 18. Then the biggest Rhule snubs TMJ, and Bozeman, TMJ showed you why he was a 2nd round pick flashing the 50/50 ball ability, along side his speed / size / athleticism. Bozeman came in and immediately anchored the OL a unit that was as sound as any for the majority of the year even with a rookie, and two new additions in free agency and Brady C in year two. ''But he's too conservative'' let's be honest, looking at what we had on offense / who was calling the plays, alongside the fact that our defense while solid / good is limited no 2nd pass rusher, question marks in the secondary, speed at the second level, etc. we were not constructed to be overly aggressive, for the most part we were aggressive when needed for the most part, and maybe we left some plays out there we'd like to have back in hindsight -- news flash, all coaches / every team feels this way. Considering Wilks took a 1-4 team, and got them to 7-10 with all we had surrounding us is about as impressive as it gets, and what's more...the players respect him / his approach. He helped set franchise....let me repeat that FRANCHISE records offensively even though he has a defensive background. To me if you are Tepper, let's see where this goes under his leadership, let him hire ''his'' staff. Many of you may not have known this but see this quote from Rivera: “The hard part for him there, he was the last guy hired,” Rivera said for Sports Illustrated. “So all the guys that were on his coaching list, they were already locked in. He had to hire guys that he really didn’t want to have to hire. He had to keep guys he didn’t want to keep.” https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2022/02/04/ron-rivera-steve-wilks-coaching-staff-with-cardinals-was-part-of-problem-in-2018/#:~:text=Offensive coordinator Mike McCoy was,Foote%2C Steve Heiden and others. That is huge, I don't agree with giving coaches ''full'' roster control (what is rumored for Payton), but they need to be able to hire their staff, these are the guys they work with week in and week out, you need that group of men to be on the same page if you want to see results. I think we have the right guy, we just need to give him the opportunity, 3 year deal, league average salary, and let's keep Panther's football moving forward -- #KEEPPOUNDING

He wasn't a final point for two years...he sat behind Jimmy as a rookie, then got hurt in like his 2nd or 3rd game this year. Considering the investment they made, I doubt they move him for low IF they even consider it. If he scratches his potential THAT team they'll be even better until they have to pay him. Now if they believe in Brock who has more time left on a rookie deal and is cheaper then they could bolster the roster with additional picks. But I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd.

Can't say this until you AT LEAST have a coach, and OC on the staff.

The ones that do, generally have a Good QB on a rookie contract.

After this FA period / draft this response could be considered flawed.

Iirc the former Vikes OC that became the Browns coach (Stefanski) and got a playoff appearance out of Baker is from the same coach tree as McVay (Mike Shanahan, Gary Kubiak) which features the PA RO, bootlegs etc. Those types of plays allow his (Baker's) stature to be less of an issue. Their OL isn't better than ours, the offense they run just suits him better and McVay is better than McAdoo. That's not hate, just a fact.

It's a little high for a C, but I'm also not surprised salary cap keeps going up so it's natural.

Nah, we have played the off zone stuff with them too, just think back to the slant game vs Chicago when they drove down the field on all slants. Any game vs NO, this board was livid when Wilks became DC and ran more man press with blitzes and we were getting cooked because only Bradberry could cover at the time.

This, Burns handled this inquiry as well as you could, while being in favor of Wilks. It seemed pretty clear.

If it is Wilks I'd be fine with that as right now who out there is worth a risk aside from Reich, just because an OC may be available, that doesn't mean they are a fit to come in and be the head coach. We all know Wilks got the short end in ARI, and he did well enough as a DC to get a HC opportunity even if short lived. You have LeFleur our here stinking it up with Rodgers, Kingsbury stinking it up with Kyler, McVay and the Rams and their struggles even when they were healthy, we've now seen a guy in McDaniels struggle two separate times, etc. We could look at the success in MIA, and in MIN, then you have to consider the ROSTER those teams have which are as good a roster as anyone, both with QBs most considered average with first year coaches with offensive backgrounds. There's more to this than just getting an ''offensive'' minded guy, can he lead a group of grown men and get the most out of them as well. You can avoid the offensive changes by having a succession plan in place for the OC.

With guys like, PJ, Sam, and Baker...not like we are trotting out a world beater on offense.

I'd rather BPA, and trade back in for AR 15 if there's a way to pull that off. Get your stud at the top, and take the high dev max talent prospect. I'd be ok with a trade back with DET as they have two firsts that might facilitate a move like this vs us having to trade back into the 1st.

Cared enough to post lol.

Go review some threads people refer to Burns as a DE often, he's an Edge, aka OLB.

For those that keep trying to refer to us as simply a 43 defense, this would be a great piece of education for you. Plenty of 3-4 fronts in this defense.

Worth a watch there's two vids here's the link to the first.

Nah.

For those worried about the future pick for Baker, I believe we are past the point where the higher pick would kick in. This is NFL Week 11 that we are heading into, and Baker only played the first 5 weeks. So with 7 games left even if he starts I don't believe he qualifies, I saw a breakdown that went into detail somewhere, but even still if he could the team would sit him if needed towards the end of the year. I'd anticipate a Sam Darnold start or two in the final weeks with the guise of ''to see what we have''.

And I like Wilks, I want him to succeed, but not necessarily ''right now''.

A lot of ya'll done forgot those Kony Ealy no pass rush days, it was so sad we had to trade for Allen right before he retired. You don't trade a player you'll have to hope to replace at a PREMIUM position. The way ya'll talk you want him to be Peppers, Garrett, etc. Burns will get paid, but I don't think it's going to reset the market, but wit will be fair comp, and that is still the remainder of this year and next season away, where the cap will have increased 2x, and we will have plenty of cap. This team is good QB play away from .500 ish ball, and a few pieces in total away from making a playoff push. All of which could be addressed this of-season. QB / 2nd Edge -- right now are the glaring absences on this roster; continued competent coaching will also go a long way.