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TB IMO set up his own exit after the MIN game and blaming a call coming in late as the reason he missed a wide open receiver directly in front of his face. Then trying to dive over the pile in GB only to fumble, and the 4th and 9 in the final moments of a game where he just checks it down to a 2 yard drag. There's several examples, IMO they bought into the Saints hype, he looked better on a better team, I dunno who was responsible for the money, but if you're paying a guy that much they need to at times be the reason you win; especially at QB. He's a game manager with below avg arm talent -- Darnold has the potential to be more with + arm talent, this is a step in the right direction, but I don't think it's viewed as the answer long term either.

Just watch the presser, TLDR 1) We can draft a QB if one falls that we like 2) We can move up, down, or stay put This is what Fitterer said yesterday, also OL / DL / CB are points of interest in the draft in general.

8 >>> 5 is not nearly the jump from where SF was (12) to get to #3. We're talking a 9 spot jump versus 3. Pick 5 is worth - 1700 Pick 8 is worth - 1400 and our 3rd is worth 225 (1625) If this required our 4th (68) or 5th (29.4) Those are throw ins when talking about a QB, and we can make up for some of that via trading back at the top of Rd 2. Realistic enough for you (I looked into all of this before when talking about a potential trade to get to 3 or 5 weeks before SF pulled the trigger -- that was the scenario for us that was going to require a future 1st -- IF we did that to jump three spots, that would be overkill, and to be fait given the market it COULD happen, but when talking about the points; the cost isn't large to move up three spots) https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp

This ^^^ IMO the media is using the availability of QBs to drive media consumption whether it's for clicks, or tv ratings. The value teams would have to give up can't be overlooked, we're not the only teams with holes. Each of these teams has a QBs in place with NFL experience / talent. Locke on a DEN team that's not decimated by injuries could make a push as a WC team. OAK and LAC still have a ways to go as well the main comp is KC. Fitz & Allen in WAS seem like the move this year, doesn't make a ton of sense to trade UP for a guy that will be the 3rd QB. If it was just Allen I could buy this a bit more. Newton in NE with what they've done could also push for a playoff spot, and given theirs woes in the draft in recent years it makes more sense for them to keep acquiring picks so they have more chances to hit.

Like I said, it all boils down to price, will teams want to pay the cost to move UP for the 4th QB. IF Fields or Lance gets to #5 I could see us trying to jump, swapping firsts and adding our 3rd to move up 3 spots. We could easily trade back at the top of Rd 2, swapping 2nd's and adding a 3rd early 4th to keep our total pick count the same depending on the value.

You talking about what I posted, or something else?

Need to simply say, I'd rather draft a mid round prospect like Mond over trading for Darnold. He only has the 5th year option left at this point, and that is IMO too high a cost for a player that remains in question. If we can't get Fields / Lance at #8 or maybe a trade up to #5 if ATL takes Pitts, I'd like to see us take SeWell or Slater in the 1st, and then look to bring in Mond or Newman on Day 2 with a solidified OL in front of him. OL - Sewell or Slater / Elflein / Paradis / Miller / Moton -- Key Reserves -- Erving / Little / Scott WR - Moore / Robby / Moore / our depth behind this TE - Arnold / Thomas HB - CMC / Draft Pick QB - Teddy / Mond / Newman ------------------------------------ I think I'd like the potential of this collection of players, especially if we're able to trade back in Rounds 2 & 3 and use the additional picks to make use of taking a QB and extending our depth in other areas. Not to mention in this scenario TB is likely the stop gap QB to give the rookie time to get acclimated.

Yeah ATL >> CAR trade is nigh impossible. One can only hope the asking price is too high. If number 3 got a swap of 1st's, two future firsts, and a 3rd -- you'd have to imagine that the price will be similar. The question is will teams want to spend that much on the ''4th best QB''. I think that's what it will boil down to. DEN would make the most sense as they (ATL) could move down to #9 and still acquire a great player, and the cost cost for DEN would be a little less that what it may take for WAS, or NE to jump. I also see a trade with an NFC opponent unlikely so WAS seems more of a longshot -- DEN / NE are the teams to watch IMO. JAX - Lawrence NYJ - Wilson SF via MIA - Fields / Lance / Jones ATL >> DEN - Fields / Lance / Jones CIN - MIA DET CAR DEN >> ATL -------------------------------------------------------- In this scenario with four picks before us at #8 several great players could still be available, so no matter what happens we will get a good prospect. UNFORTUNATELY it will likely lead to another year of mediocre QB play, while the roster / coaching seems good enough to keep us out of the top 5. Pitts Chase SeWell Parsons Slater

SanDiego didn't trade for a QB though, so you don't make any sense. They simply drafted the replacement. Brees was coming off of a shoulder surgery as well when he was released. In your scenario you're adding a 3rd QB, and looking to eat dead cap to cut TB and sacrificing a draft pick to get Minshew. Makes 0 sense.

The Minshew love on this board is also blowing my mind, do ya'll not remember us beating JAX in 2019. Minshew was not, and is not impressive, I had a similar run to what Kyle Allen did that year and quickly fizzled out, and has now landed JAX the #1 pick and you guys want to trade away draft capitol to get him when we LITERALLY have a bridge QB already on the roster with a similar skill set to Minshew. I just do not get it with this infatuation for JAG. He will be cut before a team trades for him outside of a conditional 6th / 7th. And most teams are smart enough to know he's on the way out, so it's better to wait to sign him as a FA ''if'' a team has interest.

Agreed there is 0 reason to trade for a QB, Teddy's contract has significantly less dead money after this season, and that is the perfect segway to a future starter at the QB position, this season or next. I personally am on the fence regarding Mac over Fields or Lance to SF at #3. Considering Shanahan has worked with RGIII (Athlete) and Ryan (Traditional) I can't commit to a QB selection, I just don't think anyone knows. When you think about how much the (SF) runs the ball, having a run threat at QB that can deliver just takes the offense up a tic, so I'm inclined to believe Fields or Lance heads out West. I could see ATL passing on a QB considering the financial ramifications of the Ryan re-structure. They essentially locked themselves in for two more years. He's a dead money hit of $65M 21' / 40.5M 22' / 15.6M 23'. Sitting a first round QB a season is one thing, but two years...that's a long time to wait for the investment. I could see them trading back, or selecting Pitts. Pitts with Jones, and Ridley take that passing attack with Ryan and a solid OL to a different level. And when Jones and Ryan are gone you still have two elite offensive weapons for the next QB. I do think we will need to trade up, but I believe it will have to be to #5, I do think Lance or Fields will still be there unless someone jumps to #4, and Mac Jones is not the pick at #3. There's a lot to unpack with this draft and just under a month before it all comes to head.

Not to mention a year off to train, he's listed at 6'1 / 185 that's not a Philly Brown type like someone mentioned. Philly was 5'11 / 175 as a rookie. I don't know why people can't be happy with the fact we are looking at unconventional options, and turning over stones.

Nah my friend, Fox is a 3, or a 5 tech on the DL. Burns, and Reddick as the OLB's in an Odd front, Matos has experience in a 2pt stance, then add in Haynes / Miller / Luvu as depth on the edge of the front 7.

I do believe it allows them to keep the cap hit for ''this'' season lower. The voidable years allow you to artificially spread out the bonus money. Another good example is JuJu's contract with PIT, it's set up in similar fashion.

Their QBs, and DBs tend to fall into that trend, the WR / OL / DL / LB / HB tend to translate over consistently overall -- You could include their S's as well in most cases regarding some NFL success.

He did in his presser before Fit, that 13M was for draft, and post draft / trying camp, in season FA's.

If we draft Fields or Lance, Teddy is likely the opening day starter as the young QBs get acclimated (we don't know how COVID may affect the off-season) Since I'm not a fan of dead money I wouldn't want to release TB until after this coming season, if a trade can soften the dead money blow, I'd pursue that and sign a veteran back up.

It's easier to replace Teddy Bridgewater than it is to replace Cam Newton. That's what it boils down to, Cam didn't fit the rebuild plans, and they needed someone to cover the gap as they turned the roster over the course of the next 2-3 years, there's a reason the vast majority of veterans were moved on from in the 2020 off-season by release or retirement and we ate all that dead money then & still some now. There's also a reason all of the 2021 FA's are around 26 years old and on primarily 1-2 year deals aside from a couple that are 3 yr deals. The real cap space opens for us in 2022 / 2023 -- by then the rookie will have a couple seasons of experience, guys like Burns, and Moore will be accounted for financially and Brown will just be entering his 4th season with a 5th year option as a 1st round choice. If things are managed well, and we get Fields / Lance -- we could be set up to be in a very good situation, there's a lot to look forward to, this draft / QB situation is key.

I'd wager they were offering relevant value based on where he would be in the rotation. Efe is 28, or 29 not a lot of developmental years left if any. At this point he is what he is, which is a solid rotational piece. I think Morgan Fox basically took that over as he can play inside and out as well, but seems to have a little more production and is younger. I'd have to research to be certain but that is the impression I have from a casual view of some of the moves made so far.

Jackson, played well (11 PBU, and 3 INTs, 10 in his 3 year career), he's far from garbage, injuries are a concern, but he gutted it out through injuries and is one of the few guys that generates turnovers. Troy Pride is also not ''garbage'' he continued to improve as the season went on. Due Jackson's size he's more of a #2 / match up option, but that's what bigger DBs like Melvin or Rasul in the past are here for. I think we will draft another corner that is 6' + to add more size at this position to continue to allow us to better match up versus the 6'2'' + WRs in the NFC South (Evans, Jones, Thomas).

Image credit to (Panther Nation Podcast on youtube) When you think about the pieces we have, and what was added, we may have just created the most versatile front we've ever had from a position flexibility standpoint. (Image is for reference only, not an indication of the depth chart for this discussion) If rotational guys like Haynes, and Miller who's returning from a ''high risk'' opt out along with Roy continue to provide valuable snaps this defense could be in for a surprising year, a true-center fielder as Chinn / Burris are more natural strong safeties, and another corner with good size, and some IDL depth we're set up pretty good heading into the draft. I think we've set that side of the ball up pretty well, and in contrast to last year, I'd anticipate a offensively favored draft. How are you guys feeling about things now?

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1372306425742041098?s=19

Good read / clips with details on what we're getting with this lineman. https://theriotreport.com/film-room-how-does-pat-elflein-make-the-panthers-better/

Because we aren't the only team that needs OL depth, OL is one of the least talented position groups overall in the NFL. Just competent play, or below avg play will see a guy get signed.