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This 100%, Sam was not so PROVEN that you bring him in WITH NO COMPETITION and he only costed 4M at that time, you take the QB when they're there because the position is that important. You'd always be able to trade Sam just like we did T2G down the line.

The NFL is the NFL, even on the worst teams. I think the turn-around could be more similar to Baker and CLE vs Tannehill and TEN. Freddie Kitchens had no idea what he was doing. I want us to win with whoever is under-center, I just preferred the talent / monetary value Fields provided at #8 over a corner. Look at the last several SB winning / participating teams, none of them had high end DB pedigree, they all had top end QB play, and / or weapons ALL OVER on offense, and a pass rush, with at least one high end back end safety. You're not looking at -- LAR (One of the best offenses in the league THAT year) / KC, and TB enough said, it's an embarrassment of riches for each / SF best run game in the NFL with Deebo, and Kittle, top tier pash rush (Sherman past his prime) I'm not ignoring defense, but winning teams can score at a high clip, and have enough defense to match that at the premium spots. I like to idea of building a full defenses, just not at the expense of a QB at #8. With all the trades we made, we could have added corner depth.

As much as anyone else, I want us to WIN, however I don't let common sense elude me either. At least I try not to. I don't care who the QB is IF WE'RE WINNING. I just don't like the idea of signing / trading for unproven talent, because we're on the hook for 18M, and if he's good ''IF'' we're looking at paying PREMIUM QB money in just 2 seasons. Where as if Fields hit's his potential, you have up to 5 years of modest QB money, and with all the young guys we have coming up, we'd have less need to let 1 or 2 walk, especially considering the savings on Shaq's contract in a season or two (20-25M in savings in 22 / 23 if memory serves).

Teddy had weapons, even with CMC out of the line up. People defending Cam because people know what he's capable of. QB's or ''a'' QB (Tannehill), who else thrived after Gase, also Tannehill had already ''earned'' an extension prior to Gase's arrival he was already proven, he regressed under Gase THEN returned to form in TEN. Darnold hadn't even convinced the team that drafted him to keep him, there's a difference.

His 4th camp.... His 1st with us, a lot of the same excuses / hype were made for T2G, I'm waiting to see. However; I was 100% on board with Fields, talent / value of the rookie contract with Sam AT THAT TIME only on a 1yr / 4M deal. I would have let them battle it out in camp, and used the money to sign a corner this off-season or next. I'd have been ok going after a Peterson, Sam doesn't strike me as a get us to the playoffs talent, and I don't see anything in his game that could be considered elite -- at least with guys like Cam (early), Lamarr, Russel, Kyler, and even Josh Allen is they possess upper tier athleticism so even if you say they process slower: 1) You have to account for them in the run game, short yardage / redzone 2) Limits man coverage as the DBs eyes are off the QB 3) Makes the HB better Now if you want to throw in the OSU QB stigma, USC HAS THAT SAME STIGMA (Leinart, Sanchez, JDB, Barkley, etc.)

They can eat it pretty easily IF it was necessary. Its just a safety net if he plays well. And isn't to high to eat if we make a move.

I think skipping on Fields will come back to bite us, and I am in full acknowledgement of the talent Jaycee Horn could turn out to be. I just don't think you essentially sell out for Darnold, those rookie QB contracts on TALENTED QBs which is what Justin is are too valuable to just pass on. 18M guaranteed / 22M over these next two seasons, while also eating the dead cap from getting the Teddy decision wrong and having to trade him is a bitter pill to swallow. That's money for guys we need to extend in the next few years IMO: Moton, Robby's deal ends this year (Marshall was drafted but is unproven), DJ Moore, Burns will soon follow. It's a lot easier to keep that talent together with a rookie QB deal, and if Sam DOES show up, you can count on losing a stud or 2 when we're forced to pay market value in 2023. Maybe Shaq's money can help prevent that to some degree, but the point is that I'm not sure we made the best ''long term'' decision. Sam seems like a way to say we improved by winning 7 games versus 5. And if that's the jump, I'd argue we'd be able to do that with a Justin Fields.

I think we keep 6, thinking about the NFC South / longer season we'll need depth. 8, 26, 24 -- as the ''starters'' 29, 25, 28 -- ''rotational'' depth I think the kid ''28'' Keith Taylor out of WAS will edge out STO III, but I think STO III will end up on the PS.

This is why you draft Fields at 8, and have a QB on a rookie deal for 4 years plus the 5th year option. I understand the DB need, but I'm not sold on Sam same way I wasn't on TB. And he's locked in for 18M next year.

His QB for all but 1 season ...

I could name the starters, and most depth and jersey numbers.

Depends on if the guy that beat him out is better than Burris...Safety, and specifically FS has been a huge issue for our defense, I mean as sketch as Charles Godfrey was, that was about the last time. Also is the 2015 season from Coleman. We also had the guy we lost to PIT Mike Mitchell in the 2013 season I think it was, and he didn't even move to FS until injury if memory serves. Hopefully this with Fitterer having seen first hand what a talent like Ear Thomas / and even Mathieu in his Cardinal days can do makes this position a bit more of a focus as we move forward. Under Rivera is was a complete and utter focus on the front 7, IMO a good but outdated philosophy, yes it protects the secondary, BUT when you can't get there, you have limited options in coverage. Even in 2015, outside of Norman our DBs were afterthoughts, and our Safeties were both in the back 9 of their careers (Coleman / Harper) This staff's approach seems to center on good talent at every level versus stacking it all in the front 7. More of a team approach with a few studs here and there (Burns, Brown, Chinn, and likely now Horn). Meanwhile we have good players in Perryman, Shaq, Donte', Reddick Bouye, Jones. With emerging talent the likes Yetur, Carter Jr., and potentially Pride who held up under fire.

I don't see Free Safety in this excerpt, none the less the safety that has a ''box'' support sole is generally the SS. It would likely be better to list him as that as between the 2 safety positions, the Strong is the one you see lining up in the deep middle, in the box, and at times over the slot as the ''Big Nickel''. Burris and last year's 5th rounder Robinson are the current FS depth, brining in HaHa to compete makes some sense, and Burris was a corner transition to S earlier in his career, & Robinson came from the XFL. At the least HaHa would bring true center-field experience to the back end / depth.

If he's blitzing inside which is likely it offers an opportunity for a free edge rusher depending on numbers. He's an offball LBer with Luke gone. Better metric would be the team results on those blitzes.

You can't look at an annual avg, you have to look at the guaranteed money, Shaq cost less, there's more than a 1M dollar difference.

He was FT'ed we had the money to do that, DG was just feeling himself and pulled the contract. We could have kept Bradberry if we'd not paid Shaq, that was Hurney being Hurney. An interesting thought is who wanted to STAY here, to be fair some of the over-payments, or dismissals over the years could be for players who had options after that 1st 4 years. Not saying they all did, but some did.

Y'all must not know, he was NOT a voluntary opt out. He had high risk health factors, he HAD to.

So receiver separation needs to exist...

See the Jets record during Sam's time there when he didn't play. It's like 0-10 if memory serves. Top 5 QB picks generally go to bad teams. Which means bad records. Lance had a two year removed SB team trade up for him. I expect a lot from him early.

Didn't get that impression at all.

Good watch if you have time...

Tremble is a ''forecast'' pick, excellent for the short term in the sense Rhule has been saying he wants to build a ''tough, and physical'' team. He checks those boxes. The interesting thing with Tremble is the POTENTIAL, he's probably the day one best blocking TE on our team, and that's generally the hard part for rookie TE's. Hands get better with reps, and ND just did not use him that way, running a 4.59 and having enough height and weight (Panther's site says he's 6'4 / 250, article says 6'3 / 240) -- it's a lot to be intrigued about. In an offense like ours that creates a space, and a QB that isn't timid, I think we could see some decent production in the passing game as a rookie. He has the athleticism on those dump offs to turn the corner on defenders. With the attention our other options, receive he should have some space to work with out of the backfield, and underneath.

https://theriotreport.com/film-room-how-good-can-tommy-tremble-be/ All credit to - Vincent Richardson

You're missing AJ Bouye