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Walk ins because no one EXPECTS him to run are NOT impressive. Sam is not good, has talent but not food, those INTs from clean pockets, fumbles, and meltdowns. No defense respects his presence. At the bare minimum Cam brings that, and we're not at the bare minimum with Cam.

This imo sums it up. Rhule's a control freak, ad Cam was the ONE player at the time that had more sway with the roster than the coach. NFL players respect Cam, he has a SB appearance and MVP to his name. Rhule came in with a nice college resume but nothing that would compare to Cam's at the professional level. Therefore to attain that power / voice Cam had to go, and Rhule screwed up QB TWO SEASONS IN A ROW.

His success there is more a product of the fact that they are likely on the field a lot on defense. He's a LB'er making tackles, he's still average in coverage and is a two down guy. We're not missing out on anything special, he's a solid run stuffing guy. Carter showed enough while Perryman was hurt / unvaccinated to win the job. It's odd people keep bringing him up like he'd make a huge difference here.

Moore and Anderson were why some thought Darnold could be ok to good here, two seemingly legit 1K threats, alongside a true three down runner. And then the coach forgot about this thing called an offensive line, and has made it worse with ''questionable'' position assignments. Note - I was never on the Darnold train, I wanted Fields*

It's simple, Rhule don't know how to evaluate OL, same as Ron.

I think this was probably set up similar to college, ala ''passing game coordinator'' was Brady's roll at LSU, my understanding is he was not the ''play-caller''. So I imagine that was the goal, every person provides the feedback, and sets aside responsibility to culminate in the gameplan on Sunday where the OC calls things based off of the group's work during the week.

The OL is down to 3rd, and 4th string guys that are UDFA's in 3 spots, there were not many better OL to sign over Erving and Elflein. KC's OL looked like a dumpster fire in the SB for the SAME reasons...injury. Aside from Okung, on paper the OL was penciled in to better. The defense is going to look bad if the offense can't muster a TD, football is complementary, and right now guys are pressing and trying to do too much. The 3-0 start got everyone, staff, roster, and fans sipping the kool-aid. The defense should honestly be even better heading into next year. IMO Jackson is gone, and you have -- Gilmore, Horn, Abouye, Henderson as the rotation, the front seven could use a better off-ball LB'er to pair with Shaq, and I'd like to see a more cover safety added to allow Chinn to play down in the box / match TE's more often. So when you have a bad QB (Darnold), and a banged up, now starting UDFA's all over the OL, this is to be expected. My issue is why after Brady Christenen looked good at LT, why did we bench him for Daley, who is just IMO a better G, than T? Was it other depth concerns, or something else?

I can't back this take up, the only regression was Quarterback, the defense from his 1st season to now is night and day, if we attack legit OL in FA (as we have cap now) and Fitt can parlay our first into a late 1, and a 2nd, and a 3rd (we'd jump up to 9 total picks just like that) to offset the Sam trade and continue to address OL, we're on to something. There's enough Cam left for a 1-2 season stint while the rest of the offense is addressed, and set up for a future 2023 pick.

Has he done that at any level, I don't remember reading anything about him that refenced offense or even defense as an area of expertise. He seemed the ''organizer'' type based on all the information around the time of hire.

Felt like the MAJORITY of the board was not a Brady fan, team makes a move to move on and now you scoff at the replacement as though we can just go out on the street and hire an OC that runs an offense NO ONE in the building knows. Ya'll funny, hard enough having Cam learn on the fly, but we supposed to install a new offense in Week 13, the lack of common sense here is overwhelming at times. If there's to be a change it will be this off-season, IMO we need a proven play-caller if Rhule is retained, and if anything promote Nixon to Assistance OC if the plan is to groom him, I doubt he proves himself as the interim OC, and it also sounds like it's ''group effort'' among the offensive staff to some degree. Either way, this my team so I'll be dialed in.

Any rational fan KNEW Sam was a ''talent'' upgrade at the QB spot, not an actual ''upgrade'' at the QB position. Whether it was ego, arrogance, or pride someone or a group in this building thought they had the remedy, it's not just throw based on progressions in the NFL, it's not that simple, and I think they are starting to realize the QB can't just be ''one of the 53''. The QB needs to be able to stand at the forefront and lead the 53, that is modern football, you can't hide behind a good defense / run game, especially with a limited OL.

Some of the OL woes seem ''fixable'' in the sense of better than what we've been fielding. Christensen is the most athletic guy we have, yet we keep playing him inside, why? Daley, is 330 lbs, versus Brady at around 303 lbs, why not go... Christensen / Daley as the LT & LG combo, a 3rd rounder over a former 6th rounder?

Is it the Saints....then we have room to make fun of it.

If you think Cam is the issue after 3 weeks of practice playing behind: LT - Daley - 6th Round Pick // 3rd string LT LG - Mike Jordan - 4th Round Pick // Waiver signee // Penalty waiting to happen C - Pat Elflein - Former 2nd turned JAG // Journeyman // 2nd String C RG - John Miller to UDFA Trent Scott former 3rd string LT RT - Moton - Only solid to good O-Lineman we have Then you just can't see it, Mahomes looked PEDESTRIAN in the Superbowl when their OL was down to backups that were 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string with Remmers. This is the NFL, you cannot ignore the OL, and they (KC) attacked it this past off-season. This staff went about things backwards by starting with an ALL DEFENSIVE DRAFT -- then selecting only ONE pre-day three OL pick (Christenesen). I can't fault FA acquisitions due to what was available. You can't run, or throw without sustained blocks, and this OL just can't do it.

See KC OL in the SB with all backups, that's how we operate for the season.

Not at fugging all, Reddick talking about the defense, he don't have enough clout to call out anyone on offense. You should have already seen his remarks when asked about Darnold. The offense overall did what t was supposed to, that HEAVILY INVESTED IN DEFENSE POOED THE BED AT HOME, AGAIN. See MIN in OT.

Can't even be mad at this post.

I'm a accept this as ignorance, anyone watch could see it was 2 deep damn near all game. You judge the arm by velocity, and accuracy, and it was ALL there.

Just one of those days right now.

Burns and Reddick are OLBs, its when we play the run from nickel personnel that is the issue. Same thing vs Dallas, that's what you're seeing unfold.

Gotta love that LB'er selection in the 1st round (Jamin Davis) -- signed Fitzpatrick, and rolled with Heinecke, and Allen. Like they were really trying to play with that for 2021, they could've traded up for Fields (11) or Jones (15) -- instead they stand pat at 19 and take a LB'er. Whether Hurney was the GM or not, the influence alongside Rivera was there.

To be fair, Rhule tried that the ''QB is just apart of this'' approach as well, and this is where it led us. All off-season he was selling that ''Sam just needs to focus on his job, and be one of the guys''. This isn't college (Rhule) and it's not 1985 (Ron), on any good to great NFL team, the QB is NOT just one of the 53, and in MOST cases the QB usurps the coach from a fan / business perspective because coaches outside a handful (Belichek, Tomlin, Carroll) are more replaceable than a franchise QB. No one came to Patriots games to see Bill, they came to see Tom, in the NFL, the QB is the franchise, it's why they're called franchise QB's and make the money that they do. They allow you to win, and they allow the owners and the NFL to make money consistently. When Cam has to come back and call out the fan base you know what it was becoming, because I'll tell you right now, I wasn't going to go to any games this season, and this off-season the Darnold move did nothing for me as I knew that poo was not going to be sustained because he sucks. Good >> Great QBs can still show what they have in less than ideal environments, there's nothing about Sam that suggested anything other than ''he has arm talent''.

Let's recap the last QB's to win superbowls... Mahomes Brady Russell And the one off of ''Foles'' who's team isn't in that position without Wentz who was set to be MVP that year I don't want to here that crap about a ''QB not being the offense'' you need a star + caliber talent at that position to have sustained success, any franchise with sustained success has a star + QB and competent, modern coaching. From 2011 - 2019 we had the star + QB.

Two things, incompetence in understanding that you can't rely on one guy, and incompetence in offensive team building. It's common sense that you need to do a few things when you have a franchise caliber QB, surround him with talent / OL. And draft / sign a back up with a similar skill set. In all of Cam's time here we never really had a physical comp as a back up (Jimmy Clausen / Derek Anderson / Kyle Allen / Will Grier / Taylor Heinecke) -- You could argue Joe Webb, but he was 3rd on the DC and used as ST'er / emergency WR & QB; he was never a direct back up. We could have taken late fliers on guys like Tyree Jackson, Logan Thomas and even Terrell Pryor -- all of these guys were late round picks, and Pryor was a 3rd. If you look at what BAL has done, they added weapons, and had an OL, and Huntley / RGIII (though older) was a physical comp to Lamar this way you can run he same offense, versus it being VASTLY different if an injury to the starter occurs.

Sam Darnold...