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5 OL, all it takes is one to give up a sack.... BC has played well, and should have been starting much sooner, it was clear when we were .500 that Erving / Scott / Daley were not the answers at LT. Most of the sacks have been interior pressure.

Justin Fields, and Mac Jones were also available, and Darnold was only on the hook for 4M at the time, so yes ''hand picked''.

Beyond the OP, does he ''deserve'' the right to hand pick another...?

This is crazy to think about... In back to back seasons he was allowed to select a QB and use valuable assets (Cap for Teddy // Draft picks for Sam) to acquire ''his'' guy. With another supposed ''Rhule'' guy on the horizon, is there going to be a 3rd?

For my sanity no....I'd rather see Cam get the Big Ben fair well, and Ben is even worse off, Cam's arm seems fine, people make too much of it for a guy that is 32 atm. Find a place that will take Sam as a salary dump the way Osweiler was unloaded who was as bad or worse. Give fans a reason to watch / and give the team aka the other 52 hope each and every game for a win with a real Quarterback. Cam, and an upgraded, and I mean legitimately upgraded OL and I think we can get in as a 6th / 7th seed. People forget he helped a Covid-Opt-Out depleted NE roster get to 7-8; I am fine with 1-2 years of Cam if needed. No other vet, or young failed project is worth that spot. We need to draft a rookie, and the QB depth looks to be stronger overall in 23' and our roster has too many holes to take a young QB as a luxury. Maybe free agency changes my mind, but I'd still like more picks to fill out the OL with talent at a much moe affordable price.

Roster isn't ready for a rookie atm, best to solidify the roster as a whole. Trade back, and acquire ammo for this draft and the next. If we take a player at #6, and we sit until the 4th we're missing prime opportunity to improve the roster, we have cap but -- DJ / Reddick / Gilmore or Jackson will consume some of that. We're not a QB at 6 away...we have to address the OL first, I'm okay with Cam, as a bridge to 23' -- I can't sit through Darnold for 17. And like I said before, I wouldn't hate a QB via trade down if we add ammo to solidify the OL.

That's why you trade back to accumulate ammunition for this year and next. Options to improve the roster today, and tomorrow.

Both of them went to playoff caliber rosters with good coaches as well. LAC - Keenan Allen / Mike Williams / Eckler -- Bosa / Hayward / that corner from DEN who's name I can't think of, and James back healthy. NE - Got Trent Brown back, and ALREADY had one of the better OL's in the league, and solidified the defense in FA with guys like Judon, and added two of the best receiving TE's in the NFL (Henry / Smith) Where you end up is important, neither one of them is likely to life a JAX (see Lawrence) or a DET caliber organization. People weren't enamored by the Baker / Darnold / Rosen class and look how they all turned out...all in new spots, with Baker potentially moved on from as well, and look at all he had to work with -- a top, literal top OL, receivers out the wazoo, and Austin Hooper at TE with one of the BEST backs in the league in Chubb, and overall it's been meh. However, you have to give some credit for a playoff appearance, because that defense was legit.

All the guys we got via trade backs had pedigree - TMJ was viewed as a 1st rounder, but medicals dropped him -- We failed to find him a role Brady Christensen was one of the top rated LT's in college, age, and measurables dropped him -- when he FINALLY got to play his natural position, would you believe he actually looked good at LT Tremble can block, can run, and catch -- Under Brady we didn't really feature the TE in 2020, and we didn't in 2021 either, though Tremble had plenty of flashes Deonte Brown was a stalwart for ALA -- On our roster with UDFA Mike Jordan and Turnstile 2.0 Miller, we can't even get him on the field? I think more than anything the staff / coaching decisions need to come under more scrutiny. Those 11 picks aside from the LS (Rhule) set us up nicely to move forward with less issues. Our OL could have been something similar to the following to start the season; Christensen / Elflein / Paradis / Brown / Moton With the only real weakness being Elf, as he's been better at his natural spot ''C'' as well. Instead we trot out; Erving / Jordan / Paradis / Miller / Moton Three of those spots we knew day 1, day freaking 1 those dudes were trash with no room to get better. ---------------------------------------------------- Similar to Ron, and moving on from vets, in year 2 I developed those same concerns about Rhule.

I'm not sold on these 22' QB's -- 23' looks more promising overall, and none of this matters if we DON'T have an offensive line.

Because the offense can't give them ANYTHING to work with, the defense has held up early / long enough versus the better teams. The issue is the offense can't score, therefore eventually the defense will crack. We're built to get after the opposing offense with enough run defense to survive early, it's why when we have had a lead we've looked relatively good on that side of the ball.

TBF looking at 23' I think I'd take the future 1st, we will need ammunition to move up for a QB, prepping for that during this off-season / draft would go a long way in solidifying that position moving forward. I'm also not against selecting Willis while adding OL via trading back a time or two if the cards can fall right.

You can't trade either, CMC - Has a 26M DEAD cap hit for 22' and would create -12M in cap space Robbie - Has a 15.6M DEAD cap hit for 22' and would only save 1M People need to do some research before things like this are proposed, Teddy was moved because the coaches thought they could replace him with Darnold, and still had to eat a considerable amount of dead cap. You can't operate / waste cap that way two off-seasons in a row, especially if there are talks of trying to figure something out with Sam... Could you trade DJ Moore, yes but he's on a 5th year option, and a team may not be willing to pay a premium price for a receiver on a one year deal, and likely looking for premium compensation. You also don't get better trading away your best players, imagine where the passing game would be in his absence in this past season. I would not consider this team with a competent staff in ''burn it all down'' mode. Use the 6th to acquire more picks, and solidify the roster as a whole. IMO find a way to move Sam if a team agrees to take on some of the guaranteed salary and keep Cam as he'd perform the better of the two with a competent OL. If you can't find a partner for Sam, we are forced due to his 18M guaranteed to likely ride it out with him for 22' and Cam is released...again. In 23' we should be in a better position roster wise to move up for a QB where the talent is expected to be higher.

This is what we need to hope, and then kick ourselves for not operating with intelligence last year as we owe a bum 19M. For all the talk of treating Sam like a rookie, oh he's just one of 53, you opted to pick up his 5th year without one snap and committed guarantees to him as though he was NOT A ROOKIE. He was 4M in 2021, that salary will more than quadruple for 22' that is insane roster / cap management, we all know Sam is not an answer moving forward. And we passed on a QB to take a corner. Could have had a REAL competition, and went with the best man, yet here we are still trying to figure something out.

3 to 12, not 6 (where we are) to 12; and that trade up was for a QB most people at that time was thought to have the highest ceiling. Pickett, Corrall, Howell, Willis, and Ridder -- I don't think anyone is going to come out of pocket ''like that'' to move up for one of them.

I'm putting that trade on Rhule, Scott facilitated the request. If we feel good about Christensen at LT, I'm ok with 1-2 first round trade backs to put us in position to address IOL with multiple day 1 / 2 picks. Fix the OL IMO has to be a focus this off-season, if you can pass pro / run block everyone gets a little bit better.

Yeah, but you also have to be careful passing up good players to acquire more on day 2 and 3, it's a balance, SEA trades back a lot and their drafts overall have not been great these past few years if memory serves off the top of my head aside from Metcalf. Fitterer IMO had an impressive draft, but Rhule / the staff not getting guys like - TMJ, Christensen, Shi, and Brown on the field more while Tremble at least saw some work is what really concerns me. All of them showed well from what we got to see from camp / pre-season, yet our 2nd round pick TMJ hardly ever seemed to be involved in the offense even though we spend a good amount of time in 11 personnel.

Will Rhule survive Monday, January 10th...aka ''Black Monday'' That's what this will all boil down to, and even if Pickett is his guy, we have cap with some names to secure long term (Moore, Jackson or Gilmore, etc.) so money for OL will be limited in free agency to some degree. We almost don't have a choice in regard to trading down to make sure we can acquire some top OL talent since we don't have a 2nd or 3rd this year, and I doubt if we did it's outside the top 15, Fitterer was quoted if memory serves talking about the drop off around that point in the first. I am truly intrigued to see what happens this off-season, we have a lot of talent at some key spots, the OL, and QB play really held us back, I'm honestly impressed with what the defense did all things considered.

So with things essentially set with us picking at 6, and at best 4th if miraculous wonders are worked, how would you feel about the compensation below. Moving to 12th, added a 4th in the same draft, and a first the following year. I know many were speculating trying to recoup a 2nd and possibly a 3rd, with no real ''top tier'' QB talents like we saw in 2021 what will we be the value of the 6th pick, and what will we be able to recoup in a trade back; or would we trade back multiple times in the first, or after in order to do so.

It's 1000% there

Bahahahahahahahahaha, I love this answer, I was at the game, we're poo, even when the score is within a possession, we don't / can't put a drive together outside the opening one.

Brady did play well, the sacks were from the IOL, there was nowhere to step up. Those aren't on Moton or BC.

To be fair, most of this staff is Rhule guys so even firing him now who would you promote. He's going down with the ship, and I feel it will be reset in the off-season, let the GM do his damn job. Rhule had two years to ''build his program'' it's in the same state it was to end last year, the OL is bad all over again, and he's throwing the starting QB under the bus again. Anyone watching unbiasedly could argue the team has regressed under him. We had DJ - 1K +, Robbie 1K +, Curtis Samuel 1K plus combined yards. + ,and Mike Davis 1K plus combined yards on offense last season. Now the only one sniffing that is DJ, and some fans have the nerve to critique his ability when he's been the only real consistent threat on offense this year. CMC stays nicked up, and the staff keeps trotting our Erving like he's ''All NFL'' the one time I saw Deonte Brown on the field he was man handling a guy, and even if Christensen is inexperienced, he can't have less upside than Erving. This offense has just been mishandled completely, and to be fair the defense is fairly impressive and would likely be even more so if the offense was not so inept.

Can't do all that and draft Howell with no 2nd, or 3rd round picks, with guys like Gilmore, Jackson, and Reddick on the re-sign dockett. Getting a 1st round QB needs to likely leave people's minds. We NEED to trade back, and accumulate more picks inside the first two days of the draft. Our best bet is keeping Cam on a 1-2 year deal, he needs to be the bridge, off-load Sam (even if that means eating 3/4 of the guarantees) Use the newly acquired trade capitol to address the OL on the first two days of the draft, and with extra picks if a Malik Willis falls due to ''needs time to develop'' we can afford to do so. But Rhule needs to go, he showed his true colors ''not wanting to hurt Sam's feelings'', versus sh****** on Cam each and every chance he gets, it's clear he NEVER wanted Cam, though Cam's resume' at the NFL level still usurps Rhules and he knew it. This ''program'' crap is not an NFL ideal that can be realized.