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This been my stance since the season wrapped.

This, and I'm NOT a fan til' proven other wise, he seems like just an average NFL QB, no skills / attributes that he offers elite status in which lowers the potential to be really good at the NFL level. Most scouts reference ''enough'' arm strength / athleticism, and I'm not a fan of him being I believe 24, or he'll be turning 24 during TC (Darnold is 24, and has 4 years in the NFL already). I'm not a fan of old rookie QBs -- we're not a playoff competitor with Pickett, so give me upside in a draft pick over the best on day 1, but likely not the best over time.

He's not a ''true LB'er'' he was there because we had NOTHING behind Shaw after Luke retired. With Woods, Chinn will see plenty of ''box'' time as the strong safety position versus being the deep free safety. I dunno why people are so caught up on ''LB'' for him, it's a waste to ask him to engage OL, and shed blocks when it's obvious his speed / pursuit while kept clean is where he excels. Littleton / Wilson / Luvu alongside Shaq will be fine, this allows a more ''versatile'' role for Chinn to play off of that.

What I recall is Hurnwy wanted to trade back, but Rhule wanted Brown. I don’t recall any trade up reports.

So who is succeeding WITHOUT those things currently

You know there was a time when black people couldn't QB, or win SB's -- there is always going to be a 1st, this antiquated way of thinking needs to go on somewhere. We'd have won with Cam if we'd actually decided to game-plan versus the best pass rusher in the league at that time. "Cotchery Caught It'' as we all the NFL making sure they sent Peyton out on a high into the sunset.

Depth, thats what the last two are. Why are people tripping on cheap depth

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People don't care about context. Don't waste your time.

Later in the draft where we currently don't have a day 2 pick

To me the Darnold ship has sailed, improved OL or not, he's just not worth it. Rookie deal, to continue allowing us financial flexibility to keep the best team possible is the move now. Willis, Corral, or Riddell, sign Cam for 1 to 2 years, and find a salary dump for Darnold.

Trevor IMO was more hype than anything, the freshman year catapulted things, and the national media ran with it from there. I think he checks all of the boxes, but I don't think he excels at anything in particular or is elite, I just think he's good prospect that checks all the boxes. TBF JAX roster had a lot of work / still needs said work, and they had a joke of a coach this past season, so he's not a bust, I simply think he's not as good as a guy like Luck was coming out of Stanford.

Hmmmm.....

Defense has options... 3-4 LB - Burns / Wilson / Thompson / Haynes, Luvu (YGM also had some 2pt stance reps at Penn St) DL - Io / Brown / Nixon (YGM) 4-3 LB - Littleton / Wilson / Thompson (Luvu as the rotational guy) DL - Burns / Io / Brown / YGM Nickel & Nickel (Pass anticipated) LB - Littleton (Chinn on occassion) / Thompson DL - Burns / Io / Brown / YGM >>> Burns / YGM/ Brown / Haynes (Luvu) _________________________________________________________________ I like the personnel in all of these, again I still standby adding one of the three I mentioned previous preferably. Lazy or not Clowney produces / plays the run excellent / typically leads in pressures. He likely gets the 1yr deals as teams know to keep him motivated he has to be playing for that next 1yr deal.

Based on signings like Wilson, and Littleton, I think we see a trend back towards more DE's as the edges in our fronts versus an EDGE LB'er. With that in mind YGM is the immediate beneficiary, and in Nickel fronts / pass downs -- Haynes / Luvu will spell. I think we continue to see hybrid fronts. I am also not against adding -- Clowney / Ingram / Hughes as veterans to add to the rotation.

This was what I was going to say ^^^^ get results or get replaced.... Yes new coaches ''like their guy'' but if you have a young promising player that usually is not an issue...the ''my guy'' stuff I feel generally surrounds two scenarios... 1) Declining / Injured Vet like we saw with Cam's exit 2) Young QB close to the end of his rookie deal where the team is in position to draft a new one

Outside of Darnold last off-season was pretty solid. The OL signings flopped, but there wasn't a good class. Seems more like they banked on trait, and former draft status and failed. However Reddick, and Fox helped the defense, the Perryman signing was good but cutting him wasn't. Dan Arnold was good but Tremble was better than expected and they turned him for Henderson. Getting a shot at Gilmore for a future late wasn't bad either. Its just Darnold was SOOOOOO BAD, then mismanaging Cam again.

To be clear I do believe he was employed the last two seasons, most recently with Dallas as a offensive consultant or something to that effect. I think the point is he should be better than Brady, and Matt's former roommate.

Dead cap hit on Ryan is 40M.

NO ONE WAS GOING TO SUCCEED WITH US COMING IN MID-YEAR...the fact the narrative around that is as though Cam came in and just sucked irritates me. Anyone who watched a game without an agenda, or bias could see his presence actually led to scoring points on offense. he damn near surpassed Darnold's season in those handful of games with the same poo OL, and dealing with Rhule's college roomamte as his OC after the damn OC was fired. Who is coming in with no familiarity with the receivers aside from DJ, no familiarity with the offense, verbiage, concepts, etc. and willing this team to wins. Cam is a better option than Minshew, and whoever else is left out there given an off-season.

Hell of a time from the momnet we all heard he chose CLE over everyone else, since then there have been a flurry of transactions...let's take a look at where we are. Offense: QB - Darnold / Walker -- It hurt just typing that, from Fitterer saying it'd be an ''open'' QB competition at the combine this off-season, trying to trade for Watson, to whatever is next this is obviously a glaring gap on the roster. Put me in the Cam + Willis train, Cam brings fans, fans create energy, energy helps bolster a home field. I don't think there's much out there in the way of a Minshew trade (he's not a long term answer so why trade), maybe Mariotta -- but if you go that route IMO all things considered Cam can lead the locker room. There's no one else on this roster or in FA better suited to do so, full off-season and a much improved OL and I think we can trend in the correct direction while having a successor in place. Backs - CMC / Hubbard / Formen / Ricci -- Speaking of hurt, I'm sure we'd all appreciate a healthy 22' season for 22. I'm not so much down on Hubbard as the forced playing time really showed the gaps in his game, in particular his receiving ability / consistency and his balance. I have never seen a guy with green ahead of him fall over and stumble for apparently no reason, hopefully he puts it together a bit more as I think he showed good vision. Foreman is something we've missed since Stewart, 230+ with enough speed to pop off chunks through contact, I'm pretty happy about this signing. I don't think Ricci is the answer, I think we see a more true FB added at some point. WR - Moore / Robbie / TMJ / Higgins / Smith / Zylstra -- Moore is what he is production, he's proven that and earned his extension, he only gets better with an upgrade at QB. I feel the worst for Robbie because he had gone 900 2x in a row, then over 1K with Teddy to just falling off the map with Darnold; did he have some bad moments...sure, but I think a QB change helps him return to form versus being thrown ''hospital balls'' as Smitty said. TMJ was limited with injuries, as was Shi, Zylstra is a competent depth piece with size, and Higgins is a good 3rd / 4th option. Ultimately I think we try to add another vertical threat so I'll be looking at Day 3 of the draft for a flier on a burner. TE - Thomas / Tremble -- All I can say is this group is ''untapped'' potential, both athletic, both can run and block with seemingly good hands when targeted. McAdoo is likely to get them both more involved in the offense, for two years we all saw this as a weakness in the Joe Brady led offense. OL - Christensen / TBD / Bozeman / Corbett / Moton -- Holy hell, what a far cry from the poo show we fielded last year in some some areas, while LG, and to a degree LT remain open I think most fans are relatively high on Brady at LT, though we still need depth there. With rumors surrounding Duane Brown, he'd be a great starter while BC continues his growth, or potentially slides inside to LG. Bozeman, Corbett, and Moton are all legitimate at their respective positions and allow guys like Elflein to assume a support role versus that of a starter. IOL depth is still an issue. _____________________________________________________ Defense: DL - Burns / Ioannidis / Brown / YGM -- This is a pretty damn good front 4, Burns, Io, and Brown can all attract double teams given the situation, so that leaves YGM in a position to see a good amount of 1v1's in the pass rush game. We need to see his growth this season; meanwhile Haynes a guy that's show he can get there should also see more playing time and benefit from this. I'd also throw Nixon into this category as well, he flashed a lot last season. LB - Shaq / Littleton / Wilson / Luvu - The recent LB'er acquisitions to me kind of signal a trend back towards a 4-3 front vs base offensive personnel, though guys like Burns, Haynes, Luvu all have the ability to stand up on the edges. Littleton in 18 & 19' had 259 tackles (7.5 sacks), in 20' & 21' 180 tackles (.5 sacks), that is a considerable drop in production whether scheme, or surrounding personnel based we need to hope he regains the form he displayed with LA. Perhaps partnering with a collegiate teammate in Shaq assists with that. Wilson is coming off of his first 100+ tackle year and also boasts 3 sacks, and an INT. I think we've done a good job establishing off ball LB depth, and solidifying that group. Corner - Horn / Jackson / Henderson -- I think that is as good a young trio as is out there, Horn forecasts as a true #1, and Henderson shares the same physical comp though a little slimmer than Horn. With Henderson and Jackson you have two guys that can play inside out in coverage, also many may have forgot, but Horn also spent a lot of time covering from the nickel spot, a good example is game 1 versus NO. Taylor, Pride off IR, and STO provide solid depth as well. I know many wanted Gilmore back, but his salary demands equal the pay of two players, and when you have Horn returning paying him doesn't make a lot of sense financially. Safety - Chinn / Woods / Robinson / Carter / Hartsfield -- Dare I say we finally have a real duo on the back end? I believe Woods' snaps were around 62% spent at FS in 21', this should allow Chinn to spend more time in the box & not necessarily as a LB'er. Having a true FS, and the addition of Littleton could also lead to some ''Big'' Nickel looks with Chinn in the slot. This is something we haven't had since Chinn has been here, he was forced to play LB'er a good bit as a rookie, and since he was the best option, he was forced to play more centerfield last season. With LB depth established, and Woods, we'll finally see him at his natural SS position. I also think this will free up more pressure packages. As far as depth I think it can still be improved. ___________________________________________________________________________________________ Special Teams: K / P - Gonzalez, and Hekker....need I say more, we are in a good spot. LS - JJ and Fletcher, I think JJ wins again. Returner - TBH this is still in the air I think, Shi maybe?

Pretty sure his cap hit was even larger last off-season, and they had JUST unloaded Julio. You can't do BOTH in the same off-season as it would have destroyed their cap. There also have to be takers....he's not Brady.

No they wouldn't bc Rodgers is still better.

So what veteran you want....or you wanna run it back with Darnold. No ones saying give him a long deal, but a 2 year deal to have room to sit a rookie is smart. There's no better vet available that people will rally towards. He's the perfect option to bridge.

Pretty sure it was for the same deal. WAS just didn't offer until BUF did.