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because they don’t care about having a good center because they don’t subscribe to the moronic and dated tropes you do Defense doesn’t win championships pounding the rock doesn’t take you to the playoffs you don’t build through the draft

Now picks are more valuable than Not Now picks

John McClain said that Houston was prepared to trade Watson to miami for three 1’s, a 3, and a 5 until the lawsuits also mentioned that not having a 2nd is probably what will end up costing the panthers a player theyre going to lose Brian Burns because they traded a 2nd for Sam darnold lol

It’s just signing bridgewater all over again; the draft has little to do with “this year.”

Sure, I pioneered the “bridgewater cost us a 3rd” bandwagon, I was groveling before the ink on his contract was dry. but Moore isn’t going to command a 1st. Even if he did, it’s still a pick you’re going to have to use on a WR. he just isn’t a viable to candidate to move, especially if you’ve got a rookie QB you need to surround with talent, which seems to be the way it’s trending.

The goal of a football team isn’t to acquire draft picks.

Virtually every single super bowl team in recent memory was loaded with outside acquisitions, it’s just the way the game is now

It’s okay, I get it. A lot of fans just like being along for the ride, and that’s okay. Big picture conceptual discussions or draft philosophy that is more complex than “just coming away with a good player” is a lot like witchcraft to these individuals. No shame in it man.

You could’ve just said, “yeah, you’re right “ I wouldn’t have thought less of you for it.

Your premise is flawed, it’s centered around the idea that a team makes a QB, and not that a QB makes a team. We’ve seen more than enough evidence to prove that. A franchise QB is going to bring out a lot of positives, and diminish and a lot of flaws. Saying you don’t see a “franchise QB” in this class is not only subjective, it’s irrelevant. Drafting a QB in the top 10 is about as good of odds you’re going to get on finding a franchise guy, and if he flops extraordinary, then you’re in a position to take another guy. Either is preferable to the idea of “building around the QB” or “leaning on the run game” that so many here have so many nostalgic memories of and long to see replicated, because you’re just going to end up picking 10 or 15 or 19 or 21 year in and year out and likely out of reach for what it takes to build a team that can contend for a super bowl-a Quarterback. also, “make much positive impact on the 2022 season” who cares? What does this mean? The point of the draft isn’t about “making a positive impact on the current season.” it’s about evaluating opportunity cost relative to impact over the course of the next 10 seasons.

there’s nothing fantastical about the idea that the team improves to mediocrity and strands themselves there, it happens all the time and is usually the end result of playing the cutesy minimum investment plays we’ve made at the QB position. honestly the panthers have been pretty fortunate so far, they’ve absolutely made the moves to solidify themselves right in the center of the draft. Keep building aRoUnd ThE QuaRteRbaCk and you’re likely to entrench yourself there.

The rams may indeed have a better roster. but panthers fans shouldn’t get too hung up sensationalizing the roster as a whole after last season. Poor QB play leaks it’s way into every component of the team. Good QB play elevates those around them, it just elevated the Rams to super bowl champions, and the Bengals to a spot in it. Robbie Anderson didn’t just turn into a bad player overnight.

As a matter of fact this team has a number of individuals who are well regarded as personnel evaluators. All the same it wouldn’t alter the reality of opportunity cost that drives the draft either way.

It feels like this every year, but the math points to the likelihood that there is a guy in this bunch. Identify him. That’s the job they’re paid to do.

Probably pretty far. The Rams have had that roster together for a while and it’s all been for naught. It was a franchise QB that finally made it all worth it. to reinforce that, most of their major players were brought in as high priced free agents or blockbuster trades. You’re gonna see more and more teams be more and more willing to part with major assets. the problem with the panthers pursuing Stafford was never Stafford, it was the opportunity to draft a long term franchise QB, something they foolishly ended up bypassing anyways. can’t make the mistake again, if the super bowl proved anything, it’s just how futile your chances are without one. burrow took an average squad and led them to a super bowl. an elite squad floundered for years because they had an average QB and finally triumphed once they got one. If Dave tepper doesn’t see the obvious now then there’s no helping this organization as long as he’s here. no more cutesy minimum play investments. It’s time to spend massive capital one way or the other for a guy.

It goes back a lot farther than that tbh the past two teams just managed to acquire a QB and thus highlighted it

lol he just carried his team to a super bowl youre a loser and we all see through the shtick

All those draft pick trades, all those free agents, all those high profile trades. It’s what the game is now. You’re gonna see more and more teams willing to part with a bit more after this.

Why don’t you tell us

Don’t worry pal I got you covered https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401282683

Man, this is so long overdue and yet could not have happened at a more perfect time. Congratulations Sam. You deserved it and more.

tell me you started “evaluating” at senior bowl week without telling me you started “evaluating” during senior bowl week.

that’s purely conjecture, retroactively so. I wanted the team to understand where they were at as much as anyone, but that meant making a big push up the board for the QB they liked, not pinning their future on some delusional hope that they would have the first overall pick.

He has never demonstrated any of these issues he can throw the ball in a window on the 5, he can drive the 8, he can push it deep on the move. this is just something you made up because you heard “small hands.”

Okay, great, but you’re still not getting Trevor Lawrence with the second pick in he draft. Getting Trevor Lawrence was the goal of everyone here, just as getting #1 overall and “waiting for Bryce young” is now.