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if he didn’t look like Josh Allen I wonder if he’d really be pegged as a 1st rounder

there are people here who want this guy over Bryce young

Ribs are a slow recovery injury.

Indy making their play for a top QB

Height is only a small component of the batted balls discussion.

okay buddy keep your eyes on that cave wall

nobody here is changing their position, we just aren’t as stupid as you wish everyone was to have a dishonest discussion with someone who has declared that any stat that confronts him as inconvenient as not being a statistic that should be considered nobody here is buying your shtick bro. “here’s all the QBs who have panned out relevant to draft position” ”let’s not discuss that, let’s look at this niche field of subject matter across this narrow window that I’ve selected for us to observe” insults against others on here don’t bother me in the slightest, but you melted down when you realized that the posters here were too inconveniently intelligent to fall for your cherry picked stat which quite hilariously didn’t even reinforce your position as those Super Bowls were filled with former #1 overall picks, and that’s some real amateur forum maneuvering right there

yeah, so, I’m pretty sure it’s not an accidental misunderstanding of what tanking is but a purposeful misrepresentation is playing rookies in a lost season for the purpose of development and evaluation a scandal? of course not. thus the argument must be reframed as “tell Walker to intentionally throw an interception” and then you can feign righteous indignation at how we’re compromising the competitive integrity of the game

just because those things happen doesn’t mean-stastically-that it is preferable also, free agents? Lol this team has two players on it right now who left the reigning super bowl champions to come here and play for what was a lame duck coach in a rolling tire fire

I bet you really struggle with moral complexities

great, I can appreciate this. The problem is that nobody here is meaningfully convinced that the panthers are a meaningful threat to win a super bowl or that the ‘02 buccaneers are a meaningful example in the current nfl. We do believe the panthers could compete with a high end QB. That’s what people want. To win. They acknowledge begrudgingly that they almost certainly won’t now and without one.

“NO NO NO NO focus in on this, look away, don’t look at the inconvenient truth behind the curtain!”

lol somebody is triggered now eat the ole hurtz donut my man before you embarrass yourself anymore. as I said, literally all you had to do was say “I just can’t emotionally process the big picture” and I would’ve gotten it, nobody here likes losing. but it is insulting to the people here to act as if there is some sort of intellectual backing to picking a franchise QB later in the draft versus the top and as long as you continue to disrespect peoples intelligence you’re going to get called out for it

Im “using” his past because im evaluating him as a player and thus his body of work, im doing this because my goal isn’t to weaponize one angle of a bad argument to try and prop up an argument I’ve dug my heels too deep in on to admit im wrong, but to consider Peyton Manning as a whole relative to his draft position, because im less concerned with good feelies and culture wins and more concerned with pulling for a team that isn’t a total embarrassment

Idk why we have to keep posting the obvious for people Anon Internet forum guy who thinks he’s outsmarted the entire League and that the magical secret to finding an elite QB is in the 6th round, or wherever you can spend the least. The numbers have been rammed down these people’s throats time and time again and they won’t accept it.

Peyton Manning is one of the greatest players to ever play the game, won 5 MVPs and a super bowl mvp, you know, in the super bowl he won. He was also the 1st pick in the draft. this has gone from looking delusional to looking outright manipulative. nobody here is as stupid as you believe they are. Cherry picking a niche standard and a niche goal isn’t going to work, especially when the argument you’ve used doesn’t even support your own position like lol.

mankind is inherently bad

I guess that settles it then

lol did you just try to pass off Stafford and Manning as mere free agent acquisitions and not the #1 overall pick they are? What about the other QB in those games? Or is your plan to trade to spot #199 to lock down our elite QB prospect there you don’t desire to have an intellectual conversation, and you’ve made this plainly clear not just with this post but your overall sentiment: if you Culture Win people would simply admit it’s an emotional plea then I could at least respect your stance, “I know elite QBs get drafted high, I know it’s not the smart thing to do, but I just want my instant gratification so bad I can’t root for a loss.” i could respect that. but to twist and reject what is plainly documented and try to present the argument as an intellectual is an insulting to other posters here.

What point are you even trying to make with this comment the panthers fluked into an ambush win against a bad team there’s nothing to draw from it on how to build a roster that has sustained success

Walker missed numerous open throws, choked his WRs momentum on others with bad passes, and overall managed the game against a poor Tampa defense it’s not a performance they can replicate with consistency and it’s especially not a formula for winning a super bowl

So true, and they need to bring will Grier back too, it’s time to start running this organization more like a family.

it wasn’t really surprising the way things went mcadoo never really knew how to use mccaffrey, we didn’t have the QB to capitalize on him, and they didn’t want to use him as a battering ram up the middle, and foreman was never going to be a guy that contributed with 3 or 4 carries a game, it’s not his game. that game was a more natural version of everyone’s skillset and Tampa wasn’t prepared still a much lower floor than what this team could’ve been with a strong offensive mind, great QB, and mccaffrey in the backfield

I mean fair enough, definitely gets given the freebies that Cam never got, but that was the Boger crew, which is persistently awful