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You can’t wade half way into the water and then get cold feet. They need to build a long term offense. Half measures and timidity after you’ve been aggressive would be disastrous. They need to be investigating.

we lead the league in pass attempts for some reason

He should’ve been regarded as a backup this season coming off the injury, allowing him to stay in game shape, still contribute, while not putting such a big workload on him, as you anticipated getting him back to full strength next season. His game is centered around being a quick twitch guy and with that asset diminished he was always going to struggle this season. Genuinely befuddling how they were so sure he was going to simply pick up where he left off.

yeah sure they’ll probably be bad for a few seasons. It happens. They’ve been one of the league’s most talented teams for a while, and it’s been because they’ve haven’t chained themselves to the salary cap, and they’ve had a lot of success to show for it. even if it gets to the point, and I’m not really sure exactly what people are expecting but it appears to be some fantastical dream amongst panthers fans that the league will step in, demand they start paying respect to the cap, and then they have to cut a bunch of guys and are now a bad team-EVEN IF IT GETS to that very unlikely point-who cares? Look at the window they’ve bought themselves.

if the “kIcK tHe CaN” philosophy buys you the kind of prolonged window the saints have had then by all means sign me up No offense but I don’t get how anyone is still making chicken analogies at this point

lol are you serious

Passed on a lot of great players. This forum went absolutely gaga over fitterer for this draft because they finally went and did what people wanted them to do: move down, stockpile lots of late picks, loads of cheap contracts went as expected. You don’t build a great team by having copious amounts of late picks. 9 dimes don’t equal a dollar.

they have him mostly lined up as a 5, team website depth charts are just for fans.

There’s no reason to move him. You’re not going to get anything for him in return that you wouldn’t get at this point next season if we’re still having this same discussion. Having him under control at low cost for an additional season outpaces the late pick you’d get for moving him.

pretty sure Wilson is a 5 and frankly if a team calls offering you a pass rusher entering his prime for a guy who isn’t part of the long term plan you take that deal frankly the panthers should also get a high pick with this trade

I’ve been operating under the impression that they were waiting until after the bye to get that influx back, if they’re looking at the schedule and thinking “yeah we don’t need them for this game, let’s let ‘em rest” then lol. these three games are much friendlier than what they’ve had-they need to be all in trying to win a couple of them.

definitely be watching to see what the cost is, these are the doors you gotta knock on when you’re building a team, especially when you’ve moved a couple high picks

“I don’t know what you’re saying Bryce no throw ball far”

it’s honestly not just the protection up front, even if that’s obviously biggest component Marshall pulling up vs Atlanta gets a lot of criticism, but we’ve been late getting upfield at various points. The Mingo “overthrow” against the saints was exactly where it needed to be, and would’ve been a touchdown if the Z hadn’t let the DB jam the route so easily at the intersection of the rub that Mingo and whoever was outside ran into each other It’s always something little like that, and when you’re trying to throw the ball down the field, things generally need to be perfect

ahhhh I’m starting to see what the real agenda against Bryce is here to my point, there are absolutely things that Young does well that the Facebook rabble of this board isn’t going to comprehend but incredible for where he is at as a player-and yes-outpace where Newton was at. the effiency of movement that Bryce has dwarfs Cam, who generally labored to do anything concisely and thus he to be relied upon as a battering ram in short yardage situations. There’s a rampant myth that Rivera “ruined” Cam by running him in goal to go situations but the reality is is that Cam simply was not quick enough in tight field scenarios to routinely make those throws. They utilized his skillset and what he did well like a good coach should. Young has been excellent in those scenarios and the elasticity allows him to get it out even quicker. Cam was always a see it throw it kind of QB-something Young already does at a high level. Again, Facebook fans may not value it-but layering the ball (again, something Cam seldom did, as he generally had to rifle every ball into windows to compensate for the delay, ultimately putting a lot of strain on his shoulder) into a window before the receiver even gets there is an elite trait that scouts beg for for a guy at this stage in his career. There’s also the body control-most of Cam’s offlooks were scripted or preplanned and generally just revolves around a rapid fire headfake that seldom did its job. Bryce not only organically looks off DBs, but incorporâtes his shoulders into the bait, and-will use general pocket movement to shift defensive linemen so that he can work back to a more desirable side. He isn’t just moving away from pressure-He is literally moving the entire defense away from where he wants the ball to go. This is where the Brees comparison came from in college: this is such a rare trait, and it’s starting my to manifest at the next level. i get that most fans generally cannot perceive most of what they’re watching, but when you’re outright proud of how little you know I begin to have a problem. Every time I see someone make a processor “joke” and then follow it up by blathering on about NEED TO SEE THE BOMB I cringe

Your definition of “limitations” is is he big enough or fast enough to be a force multiplier in the run game and it’s far, far too narrow view of QB play. There are traits he has, right now, and demonstrates, that some QBs never do. There are things he does better of the bus-right now-better than Cam Newton. QB ceilings are not defined by physical attributes

what you just said isn’t even logically consistent to itself

I never believed that, and thus I must able to evaluate more objectively than others. i was also openly critical of his preseason workload also there’s nothing “basic” about it

You put a ball 40 yards on the outside shoulder with pressure in your face and the question of can he stretch the field is gone. I mean we knew that already because he’s already demonstrated an ability to do it at the collegiate level and that’s not something that just disappears, but the evidence is getting harder and harder for people who are so desperate to hold up whatever weird bias they’re clinging to ignore Throw two nice comebacks in this game as well.

Vertical passing game requires a lot of moving parts, lot of timing, lot of rapport, lot of interior protection. the panthers have a rookie QB with brand new players to throw to, a new offensive system, abysmal interior OL play, and question marks about the players on the perimeter. it was always going to take a while to develop but none of that matters because people here who JUST WANT IT RIGHT NOW are inconsolable and trying to pass off their juvenile impatience as something akin to tell it like it is edgebro-ism

you’re right about one thing, you do fall under that umbrella

The official definition of a deep pass in the nfl is a pass that is 15 yards or more. only dummy fans think that the best offenses are heaving 40 yard air passes down the field four or five times a game that just isn’t the reality of the sport anymore

Miami is a modern NFL offense and Tua is the perfect QB to run it. Tua gets the ball out really fast on early passing downs and they run well inside on those same downs. When you’re not facing a lot of obvious passing situations your numbers from your edge players are going to be diminished. they shouldn’t trade Burns unless they can get two 1’s

noticed the usual pff thread has suspiciously not been posted Best 1. WR Adam Thielen: 82.7 2. RT Taylor Moton: 65.0 3. TE Tommy Tremble: 64.4 4. RB Raheem Blackshear: 64.3 5. QB Bryce Young: 62.6 1. CB Troy Hill: 91.1 2. OLB Amaré Barno: 74.2 3. OLB Brian Burns: 71.7 4. DT DeShawn Williams: 69.9 5. OLB Justin Houston: 69.3 Worst 22. WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette: 55.2 23. TE Stephen Sullivan: 52.5 24. TE Hayden Hurst: 51.3 25. WR Terrace Marshall Jr.: 43.1 26. RG Calvin Throckmorton: 37.0 16. DE LaBryan Ray: 55.0 17. CB CJ Henderson: 32.6 18. S Jeremy Chinn: 30.9 19. S Matthias Farley: 29.5 20. LB Kamu Grugier-Hill: 29.2