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The Athletic: “‘Hunger Games’ culture” at BOFA
Growl replied to SuperBowlBound's topic in Carolina Panthers
it’s incredibly common for teams to simplify the offense to the point of scripting reads when handed a rookie QB panthers have tried to put the full responsibility of the position on Young from the outset. It’s an old system with lots of tenured NFL ideas and *probably* the old, long winded parlance to convey those concepts. If you’re going to develop a QB in the traditional manner, you need to be mindful of developing him the in traditional timeframe. once it became clear that Bryce was still just a rookie QB regardless of how pro style Alabama’s offense is, they’ve spent the season trying to roll back little by little. also I’m curious if the ideological conflict between Brown and Reich has led to wasted practice time on having to navigate how concepts or verbiage translate to each other and thus who you’re teaching. It isn’t just Bryce that has been confused on assignments. We all assumed they came into the season as a unified front with a unified system but it’s clear that isn’t the case. perhaps the biggest problem with the passing game is that the QB is thinking, not playing, while the interior offensive line is getting blasted at the snap. of course the antiquated route combos haven’t helped-LOL at the triple hooks they ran on 3rd and 10 vs TB -
The Athletic: “‘Hunger Games’ culture” at BOFA
Growl replied to SuperBowlBound's topic in Carolina Panthers
this also further highlights how a team president is a good idea. Put the barrier up and keep guys from the temptation of going to the owner with this stuff -
The Athletic: “‘Hunger Games’ culture” at BOFA
Growl replied to SuperBowlBound's topic in Carolina Panthers
it’s probably not really as scandalous as it seems, you stick any group of men together in a competitive environment where their dignity is on the line and then things go south and people’s egos start being bruised, this is usually the kind of thing that happens. Especially in coaching, this kind of thing is present even when you’re winning. but the losing and the way they’ve lost-where the offense hasn’t just been bad, but legitimately dysfunctional, where a systematic disconnect exists between the coaches, philosophy, and players, along with the talent deficiencies, is going to inflame these issues to the point where something that usually stays private is now going public and making the situation worse. -
it’s almost a relief when other teams score just so we can get some decent field position this defense has been okay but they don’t take the ball away and we always start each drive on our own 10. obviously you’ve got to hold the offense primarily accountable for it’s failures, but this defense doesn’t make splash plays either makes it easy to play defense when the other team is backed up and you can pin your ears back this team as a whole is bland
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aside from Florida st whom most would agree without their starting QB that Georgia would beat, which literally is the point, all of those games would be toss ups There was no good answer here but they were consistent with the philosophy they’ve traditionally used, which is all you can really ask. idk why people here are struggling to come so hard to come to terms with it. Without their starting QB, Florida st was not one of the best four teams-and they proved that while Texas and Alabama won convincingly. it seems most would be okay with defying the established norm and general trust in the system to stick it to the school they don’t like, which is a great little commentary on people as a whole.
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How is adding up the numbers at season’s end any different than ranking by number throughout the season? Teams still know what the standard is and would structure their schedules accordingly.
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The system doesn’t work like this and saying that the committee should retroactively decide on a whim that it now should completely destroys any credibility in it humans can endure flawed systems as long as those system are consistently applied.
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I could lay out why Alabama‘s resume’ is mathematically superior to FSU’s but it really doesn’t matter Florida state doesn’t have its best player at the most important position, and that’s the question being asked: who are the best four teams? that’s the same question the committee has been consistent on nobody believes without Jordan Travis that Florida state is one of the best four teams, and in their chance to prove it, they underwhelmed. do they deserve a chance to prove we’re all just mean haters and make us eat our crow for thinking that? Sure, but that game isn’t being played because the system is flawed. until the expansion, all the committee can do is apply consistent logic, and they did. most everyone believes Texas and Alabama would beat Florida state without their best QB, they have the resume’ and the recent performance to instill confidence in that assertion, and that’s all it comes down to. it has nothing to do with the SEC. Had Travis not been hurt, they would be in.
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you’re suggesting a system where qualifying is centered around a points system based strictly on mathematical accomplishments. an undefeated season in the SEC is harder than an undefeated season in the ACC, and especially a lot harder than the MAC. those non-con games would then all shift to gimmies as teams wanted to ease the road to undefeated the only reason we’re even having this discussion is because Alabama and Texas played each other; the only reason Alabama and Texas scheduled each other is because it was a boon to each team’s SOS.
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FSU got screwed over by a bad system, and the solution to that problem is to increase the bracket so that games can actually be played to answer the question that right now has to be determined on paper the committee needed to apply the logic they’ve been using consistently over the CFP era, and they did that. if the answer to the problem was “let’s change things because THIS time it feels wrong to omit this team” then Texas and Alabama are getting screwed hard, as would be all of CF without a unifying standard the question is who are the best four teams, the answer should be let’s let them play and figure that out, the second best solution is what they did; a flawed but consistently applied metric. The worst option would be an ever changing standard that conveyed no trust.
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an expansion to 12 will probably yield problems but it’s a good next step the four team CFP clearly has issues and deserves to go but at least encourages teams to play and win tough schedules alabama just got in over fsu because their SOS was #5 and FSU was #55 a strictly numbers based system is going to get a bunch of doo doo schools who have spent the season beating up on bad teams in bad conferences a disproportionate amount of credence
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this just incentives teams to play lollipop schedules
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this is consistent with the committee’s approach for the duration of the four team playoff, if they had pulled a heel turn and made it strictly record based then there would’ve been some rightful criticism (especially given Alabama’s superior resume’) its a crummy system that’s rightfully over but at least they were consistent
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Rankings are what I expected but I’m glad they’ll actually be playing games to determine this from now on. those four teams deserve to be there, frankly Georgia probably does too but the argument of not having a conference championship was rightfully too much to overcome
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Panthers have cheapest looking turf of any team in football you can just see the plastic
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I put the foundation down for the “tepper bad” bandwagon back when was getting oohs and ahhs for not being Jerry richardson and winning people over with inane things like the midfield logo ….and as unfortunate as it is, Frank Reich has been trying to weld players like young and others into a scheme that do not fit their strengths, and someone needed to tell him. Beyond the obvious obsessive fixation on Young, even players like Hayden hurst who have been solid and unremarkable players throughout their careers have all regressed as players here. It’s a long list. it’s an old school mindset to acclimatize players to your system rather than adjust your system to fix your players
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RB Coach Duce Staley and QB Coach Josh McCown fired
Growl replied to jamos14's topic in Carolina Panthers
Which is what makes the idea that McCown was fired because “he wanted stroud” so ridiculous. because what people are really saying with that assertion is not that McCown wanted stroud, but that he had become insolent or unproductive in regards to doing his job with Young because he “wanted Stroud” if that’s the case he should’ve been fired anyways, position coaches on every team in every draft get outvoted on who they want, they still have the responsibility of going out there and developing the players they did get I suspect however the idea that McCown is tossing chairs and stabbing people in the back to save his own skin in regards to the selection however is probably a dumb theory he was more likely fired because he never should’ve been hired he was brought here because he was a high profile wunderkind that was exciting to bring aboard, not because of a long and tenured resume’ for QB development that you absolutely had to have in that coaches’ room when you’re spending as big as you are to get a QB he may develop into a great coach but to put so much on someone with literally no coaching experience was always dumb it was not the right environment for him or the panthers -
RB Coach Duce Staley and QB Coach Josh McCown fired
Growl replied to jamos14's topic in Carolina Panthers
Bailey seemed to suggest his personality was not a big hit with the other coaches, perhaps Brown especially everyone carry on with the conspiracy theories though -
this is one of the best jobs in the world, it’s an incredibly competitive market with few open positions, Young is still regarded very highly by football people, and tepper has oodles and oodles of money. they won’t get the top candidate but they will be able to get a top candidate unless tepper absolutely makes a buffoon of himself in the process I mean
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Dude ain’t coming here if he’s got options. I think the “who would wanna come here?!?!” angle is probably overblown, there’s only 32 of these jobs and Dave tepper has lots of money. but yeah, no, this is the one guy where I’m like “no he definitely isn’t”
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Frank Reich Fired as Panthers HC - Official
Growl replied to NJPanthers12's topic in Carolina Panthers
I mean i get it. The offense isn’t just bad, it’s rotten. It’s broken. There is something fundamentally broken with it. The entirety of the offense has gotten worse. Theilen makes sense why his production has dipped, but even setting aside Young and Ekwonu, players in this league who have been solid if unremarkable have genuinely regressed over the season. There’s no excuse for Hayden Hurst being invisible. Even if he’s a JAG, he’s a JAG who has been broadly productive as a pass catcher and is playing with a rookie QB. Chark? Sanders? still… i thought Reich was going to finish the season because tepper needed to abate the impulsive hot head stigma, and I also question why fitterer is still here. -
I think they were trips, were probably looking for some kind of rub to get the X underneath with a slant or drag it wouldn’t have worked with how quick Tennessee got there, still wouldn’t have run the play they checked to. Would’ve preferred a screen to the back if they were going that route.