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there’s also a bunch of other weird inconsistencies here that don’t make sense the giants intend to take a QB but wait until their second selection to do so? Why would they do that? Why put a franchise guy at risk? if teams love a QB enough to come up for them, why would the panthers pass on him? To “get back picks from the darnold trade”…? Picks don’t fix the panthers. Valuable picks fix the panthers. A second would be nice (not the player you projected though) but it is vastly less valuable than addressing the need at the QB position. You can buy quality center play for pennies on the dollar. Nothing about this maneuvering improves the panthers chances of winning games. you have the panthers give up the 6th pick in the draft and all they get out of it are the literal Darnold trade picks they haven’t made up for yet, they don’t even get multiple 1’s?? do you have any idea how much valuable 6 is than 11?

Oof the goal of the draft is not to make Sonny SofaSurfer’s offseason more interesting by having Lots Of Picks. chasing your own tail trying to overcompensate for the mistake the darnold trade was would only be doubling down on that mistake. The panthers can work with the offseason they have relative to their needs. Overreacting is only going to make the problem worse. also all those picks are bad

A positional coach is never more important than a coordinator and “beefing up the OL!!!” is far from the biggest crisis facing this team.

No argument here but I don’t expect Matt rhule to intentionally lay down and accept his fate just because I don’t like him, nor do I expect Dave tepper to long for a bad season just so he can rub it in Matt rhules face just because he doesn’t like him

What an awful opinion matt rhule is paid to win football games, everyone desires that Matt rhule wins football games. Matt rhule is expected to do what it takes to win football games. Nobody cares about money or cap space or any of these meaningless things. They care about winning. At no point in any sport at any time has a scenario like you just described happened.

If you don’t feel good about any QB you are almost always wrong and need to reevaluate your ability to scout talent

With Mr Scot its more a resentment of the way the game has changed. Winning a certain way is just as important to him as winning. Nobody here misses the way the game was more than me but I’m not out to prove it should or can still be done a certain way.

For starters, obviously yes, strong QB play turns teams into instant contenders. This is a proven reality many times over. Secondly, to willfully miss the reality that the draft doesn’t center around this year but the next 10 years is an indictment on your tiny perspective.

it’s kind of a hilarious comment given how often a QB turns a bad team into a good one

A couple years ago I looked up how long it had been since a team had taken a OT in the top 10 and had that guy be an anchor on a super bowl run and had to go back forever the chiefs won one with Eric fisher since then but nobody would confuse him with being important to their success-especially the chiefs. offensive line is a really practical free agency investment, whereas conversely, a lot of the offensive lines on the list above have been together on bad teams for a while and only became relevant organizations once they found a QB..Dallas, Tampa, etc.

What does this mean? do people who say stuff like this really not realize how small it makes their perspective look? there is a world and an offseason and offseasons beyond just what the panthers do with this one singular pick with this pick however, you have to abide by the mechanics and realities of the draft and how the league operates

Well in short the panthers didn’t draft a single other good player and nobody cared and it went on to become regarded as perhaps the best draft class in the history of the franchise because having an elite QB dwarfs everything else by comparison but also they probably should’ve gotten some more good players too, it was a great class

Honestly the cam selection wasn’t luck (he went back to school) ill give Marty his due, he made that pick despite the world telling him not to because the media was telling him there’s no QB worth a 1st overall pick and the fanbase was telling him “games are won in the trenches” and to take the SURE THING in marcel dareus

People here only hated the darnold trade once they realized it cost us draft picks for nothing. it was heralded at the time because we “didn’t have to use a 1st on a QB.” as if there is anything more worthy of a 1st round selection.

I mean we tried that. Now we’re talking about improving the roster around darnold a bit more and hoping things get worse. and of course you’re still discounting a valuable and plausible opportunity at finding a franchise guy. Seems kind of bird in hand to me.

I’m waiting to see who the OC is before i start gravitating to anyone. pickett’s got a lot of starts, could weather some bad coaching for a season. If I like the choice at OC, I may be willing to stretch a bit more.

even if it flounders it’s far more conducive to your long term success to have josh Rosen lead you to kyler Murray than to have a parade of 1st round picks spent elsewhere i mean don’t get me wrong, the quality of the product was better when it was a team game. But it really isn’t anymore, not in the way it used to be.

Tua aside, the media reviled Justin Herbert after he regressed to the mean his final season at Oregon, as did most of this board. trying to paint that class as being labeled “can’t miss” is verifiably false theres a single “can’t miss” prospect in a draft about once a decade or so and people here actually believe you should wait for him and hope to luck into the 1st overall pick ”prepare the roster” at some point you have to realize that either your methodology is bad or your ability to evaluate the position is

Getting the top pick of the 1st round is almost as difficult as getting its last pick any plan that hinges on that kind of desperate hope isn’t a plan its literally just desperate hope

lol no they weren’t, and they especially weren’t on this board where your demographic of people were decrying it as a weak QB class. that absolutely is revisionism

this feels like extreme revisionism

All your doing with this comment is opening to the door to “well why not next year?” last year was a weak class and we were meant to wait for a STACKED class in 2022 with HOWELL and RIDDER and RATTLER year before was a similar story with “I just don’t believe in Herbert” and “tua is injury prone, why not just wait and we’ll get Lawrence?” next year never comes. Circumstances never play out in the absolute perfect manner you need them to. At some point has to at some point be right now.

Far preferable to try and miss than to watch one of these guys inevitably go elsewhere and turn into playoff mainstays. there are worse things in the world than a “bust.”

Wow really? I had no idea we were sitting so pretty.

The only people who compare bridgewater and darnold to an actual high end draft pick at the position are the people who swallowed the team propaganda on what clever maneuvers those were ”if Sam darnold didn’t work out, how could anyone?” because they were established as what they were and the only people who didn’t already know it are making personnel decisions for your favorite team