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A franchise QB just took a bad OL and a reviled head coach to the super bowl the argument is over you don’t pass on an opportunity to take a franchise QB just because you want to stick it to a coach you don’t like, you don’t pass on a potential franchise QB to “play it safe” in the draft its time for the panthers to draft a QB

the funny thing is that we know from the team that fitterer was the driving battery behind the darnold trade

No, I want you to name all the teams with 1st or 2nd year (or even just under the general purview of new) head coaches who spent millions in free agency, made trades for high profile players, gave public votes or confidence to the direction from the GM and an obvious commitment from the owner who determined that they were going to continue riding things out as they were with no changes whatsoever in either direction-up or down-just to pointlessly sit through another year for no given reason other than to do it. the team will either build up or tear down. The notion, to take this thread back to its original premise, that they will intentionally force a coach to “swallow his medicine” because they’re mad about the “cap space” he used is silly.

Why don’t you name some of these instances of All The Time? let’s break them down.

You haven’t formulated a thought for yourself since your mom first allowed you to get on the internet

You’re projecting your own distaste for Matt rhule onto what you think the team should be doing, not that it makes any sense because no organization would simply resign themselves to 5-8 win season without making corresponding moves to prepare for a rebuild. how will you rationalize all this when players aren’t given away in a firesale? How will you rationalize when the panthers sign players in free agency? what you’re doing doesn’t exist. Dave tepper isn’t saying to himself, “we spent so much money Sam darnold, our cap, our precious cap, Rhule MUST swallow his medicine.” it isn’t real. It’s a fantasy conjured by stupid fans who obsess over trivial things like the salary cap as if they personally paid money into it.

There’s no such thing as a “slow rebuild,” the days of the 5 year plan are long since gone, and nothing the panthers have done up to this point suggests the panthers are operating under this pretense. you’re insinuating some insane notion of secret handshake meetings between tepper and fitterer where they agree to simply let rhule flounder, and it’s delusional. They’re going to sign free agents. They’re going to evaluate maximum impact draft prospects. Nobody working for the panthers is intentionally trying to have a mediocre season by simply waiting it out. Everyone’s job is on the line. Also the notion that a franchise QB isn’t “foundational” is lolz.

So what exactly is this in-between between trending up or down? No team in the league intentionally plans for a .500 season. You are either building or deconstructing. You don’t group together in the board room and say “look, we’re gonna win 7 games this season and then we’re gonna fire you coach, so don’t add any new players and try not to win too much!” teams either believe they are trending up or down and operate as such. Every move the panthers have made so far-every single one-has indicated which direction they believe they are heading. dave tepper didn’t keep Matt rhule with the intent to be bad next season, no matter how many absurd fan conspiracies you may have read online.

Lol you’re referring to the lockout? Jerry trying to stick it Peyton Manning does not constitute willfully handicapping a coach with the ultimate hope that he will fail. Tepper had too much riding on this. They aren’t having a fire sale. They aren’t tanking.

I’m sorry that you’re operating with a laughably unrealistic pretense of the way the world works so I’ll list it out -Dave tepper is not going to instruct matt rhule to intentionally do things which hinder the team from developing or winning -Matt rhule’s job is not to “prepare the roster” for the next coach no matter much Henry Huddler may wish it so -anyone who doesn’t think the QB position doesn’t have the kind of influence to turn around a team shouldn’t be poisoning others with their bad takes -the draft has precious little to do with next season and the team isn’t making decisions with that fixation

I literally lol’d reading this

And it’s a really bad take. The panthers don’t exist to stick it to Matt rhule or to acquire lots of cap space. They exist to win games. Suggesting that they should intentionally handicap the team to accomplish either of the former things is S dumb a thing as you can possibly read online.

when I tell you there are people here who would genuinely like to see playoff seeding determined by cap space I am not kidding no forum for any fanbase for any team cares as much about it as the people here do

Yeah I mean nobody is saying it isn’t a tough evaluation, I don’t envy the individuals that have to make the call. but the reality is that the math suggests one or two of these guys will be good players, and it’s Scott fitterers job to identify that guy and take him, not gravitate to (supposedly) safer prospects just to try and squeeze a couple extra seasons of tenure in by saying “see? The guys I drafted didn’t bust.” This was Marty’s undoing while he was here, and it’s ironic that he doesn’t get more criticism for it while people are quick to complain about things during his tenure that are league norms, such as adding void years to contracts. im sure an excellent running game with a stout offensive line and a defense that Really Flys Around will really come through for the panthers in the colder months as they fight their way back from a 3-6 start to finish with a respectable 8 wins every single season. but it won’t win them a super bowl.

People get consumed with little things and make the job seem much more daunting than it is. good QB play will make you forget about little issues really quickly

wow even these newer posters are getting it, kinda scary that we have fans who have been around and watched as much football as they have and still miss basic things

but can and road =[

Yeah that’s how it goes around here. Young will either be transcendental next season and Panther fans will get sad realizing they passed on a QB this season for a desperate shot at the #1 overall pick, or he will regress to the mean and we’ll have to hear “it’s just not a good QB class, let’s just wait and get the top guy next year, the draft is just about coming away with a safe player.”

lol a what now?

oh wow another generic internetism, maybe you should head back to Reddit

You cannot blow your chance to take control of the division. Panthers have to come up with a QB.

What does this mean? Who cares? This isn’t how the draft works. It’s not the panthers job to assess how long it’s been since they “made an investment,” is their job to assess value relative to need, cost, and opportunity. When you realize that, it becomes difficult to argue the point unless you’re saying the QB position isn’t important and breaking out dumb car analogies to do it.

I know man Howell and ridder and rattler it’s gonna be stacked, best we wait

calling the most important position in sports sexy or a luxury or whatever stupid car cliche you broke out is peak dissonance with what football fans around the league watch game in and game out heres a dirty little secret you’ll have to accept games aren’t won in the trenches controlling the TOP isn’t a key to victory defense doesn’t travel and cold weather football doesn’t show how the game hasn’t changed in January the game has changed, the teams that have accepted it are still playing, the ones that are still trying to prove “it should be done a certain way” are getting turned down by special teams coordinators

I can’t think of a better way to drill straight through rock bottom