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I mean obviously he’s cognizant of not trying to completely rob his new team, but there’s a line, and most players don’t tend to care too much about the details beyond how it affects them. anyways, yeah, that needs to be the next move. if nothing else at least the push for Watson can put us at ease with the laugher idea thrown about on here that the team should intentionally bypass drafting a potential franchise QB to “punish” Matt rhule for trading oh so precious draft picks.

I really don’t think he’s trying to stick it to the Texans anymore. He hasn’t had any leg to stand on since the civil suits started rolling in and he hasn’t acted like he has. He’s been a good little foot soldier since then and it makes sense to see it through. They still have some leverage if they don’t get a good enough offer. as for Flores… well that was clearly overblown. He could still play for Flores but has made no push to do so whatsoever. I think he just wanted Miami.

that’s how you know he’s a real fan of this franchise

I mean maybe but he’s turned down quite a few good football opportunities in the process. He supposedly wanted to be with Flores desperately but that clearly wasn’t the case.

The lions no. The browns sure. But he turned them down as well. At minimum because of the cold weather and at ‘maximum’ because it’s Cleveland. look at the teams he’s gravitated to. South Beach. Mardi Gras city. The ATL. hes turned down some pretty great opportunities from hum drum cities like Pittsburgh in the process.

my conspiracy theory is that we were the leverage team all along hes shown complete disinterest in coming here every time we’ve made a pursuit, we simply aren’t a big enough market with a thriving enough night life and enough ESPN street cred for his tastes but we’re offering more than anyone else, so the Texans asked Deshaun to at least just meet with us to help set the bar for a trade, and that he didn’t have to pick us watson, trying to leave on amicable terms, said sure.

I remember this board being in much the same state when Luck went back to school it was a weak QB class there was no hope and you couldn’t draft a QB that was so raw and relied so much on his legs, who was too stupid to play the pro game this team needs a dude like that, and they need to draft him

I can buy players who can do all those things for pennies on the dollar, and I can buy it without having to coach them to do it. im not making a pick because I’m worried about Matt rhule or david Tepper, that’s absurd. I still have to manage my draft with an understanding of value over the long haul. Can I obtain an elite passer or pass rusher in free agency? Can I do it inexpensively? No? But can I do it with Center? Yes? why would I even care about my center’s ability to call protections? That’s like evaluating a wide receiver’s ability to read defenses. You generally expect it out of them, and most do it well or well enough-but the guys who are drafted high are drafted there because they can do things other guys can’t.

No one ever cheers over the pick of a center because you’ve wasted an opportunity to acquire a truly meaningful talent at a position that’s hard to address for a low risk-no reward option whose only benefit is allowing the guy making the selection to say “see? I didn’t draft a bust, don’t fire me.” it is a such a waste of a selection to the extent that the panthers would be better served not selecting anyone in the hopes that a division rival ultimately ends up taking the Center and forfeiting their opportunity to make a meaningful acquisition to their squad, and to make such a pointless selection at the expense of an opportunity to take a shot at a franchise QB or a play making DE is how you carve out your own personal niche of suck

so you’re making a “hope for the best” pick and it isn’t a QB?

Haven’t watched him, are we talking about legitimate inside 3T or who can rush the passer or just more Derrick brown “occupy space” garbage either way I’d probably just take the edge defender, more valuable

Just a musing I had: alternative title: why the panthers need to address OL in free agency The traditional adage is that you use free agency to free yourself up for the draft, and, in the panthers case, it holds true. Say the top 5 picks come and go and the Panthers (foolishly) don’t fancy any of the QBs, or did something really stupid like traded for Jimmy G. additionally, the top 2 OTs have been selected in the top 5. However, one of the draft’s top pass rushers is available. Despite the fixation on OT, you’re now facing down the prospect of adding one of the blue chip pass rushers, at a position of need, at a position of greater value, over a red chip talent at a position of lesser value in a unit where you’ve invested in, and that requires less bodies. Objectively, the choice is obvious (unless you’re completely consumed with drafting an OT simply for the sake of doing so, which many here are.) it opens up a further discussion though: do you pair the new guy with Burns and have the leagues best pass rush tandem? or if you like the options you have behind Burns, consider moving him for two 1’s? (Using the Jamal adams trade as a reference point) Getting a top talent as well as a chance at QB later in the 1st is really appealing, but a top pass rush is regarded as one of the precious few truly necessary components for a Championship. all in all it none of it really matters without a top QB and I’m not watching Sam darnold again, period, but I like the draft and the logistics of it, so there’s a thought I had.

He isn’t going to do anything with protection because he’s a bad football player

The panthers would quite literally be better off with linderbaum going to the falcons or saints or buccaneers so as to avoid those team drafting a player who the coaching staff actually had to account for when they play. The ideal scenario for the panthers is linderbaum going to an nfc south rival.

LTs, though they have diminished in value themselves, are still expensive to acquire outside the draft if you want quality play. Centers and guards are not. Im not forgoing that reality to take a guy who will have such an ultimately nominal contribution to my team. Even RBs could be argued to be far more worth the selection given that at the very least a player like McCaffery can win a game. It’s still not a good idea to take a RB in the 1st round. But if you’re going to try and reduce the more complex process that is the draft to “I just want a good player,” then I’m at least burning the pick for someone who can make a major contribution. Centers don’t even meet that second rung of decision making. Taking one there is that bad an idea.

This is probably the problem. The game isn’t what it was then. Nobody’s trying to build a unit of FIVE HOGS who can WEAR THEM DOWN. centers don’t posses that value especially, and again, not forgoing a more valuable position elsewhere doesn’t equate to “it’s a one man show!” as some try to misrepresent the argument. It’s about opportunity cost. You aren’t getting an elite QB, or pass rusher, or pass defender, for pennies in free agency. You can get strong iOL play for a deflated cost.

not drafting a center at 6 overall doesn’t mean you have a bad offensive line, I’m not sure where this false equivalency is coming from colts fans are stupid and their team is stupid players like josh Allen, mike mcglinchey, minkah Fitzpatrick, and vita vea all went shortly after nelson. Quinton Nelson will never add a single win to the colts w/l total. yes, you absolutely take a CB or DT over a center with the 6th pick on the draft. Better to have an abundance of riches at a high impact position than to acquire a low impact position you could’ve solidified for pennies on the dollar in free agency.

this is stupid Ryan kalil never won a single game for this team People get so caught up “am I just getting a good player?” that better ran teams gleefully squeal as stupid teams take “sure things” ahead of them. well ran teams assess cost relative to need relative to value. you can buy quality interior line play for a percentage of what you pay virtually every other position on the field, the top 5 highest paid iOL don’t come close to the rest of the team. dumb little teams ran by people with dumb little brains will continue to flounder around in the squalor of their failure with quinton Nelson DOMINATING AS THE BEST GUARD IN THE LEAGUE while teams who deploy their resources relative to value will continue to win championships

What a loser

what are you even criticizing hes just talking about a reality of the nfl

lol you said “he’s” not “he” and you said it more than once just a simple mistake huh

why would he do this

the old guard media types have been pushing this so hard, lacanfora would be devastated if Watson ended up here theres a reason you’ve seen these guys desperately pushing teams like Pitt to get involved

Why do people say stuff like this

because they don’t care about having a good center because they don’t subscribe to the moronic and dated tropes you do Defense doesn’t win championships pounding the rock doesn’t take you to the playoffs you don’t build through the draft